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Marcel
05-13-2002, 01:30 PM
Okay I'm going to start a 40/30/30 but I'm having a dilemma on how to setup my meals. The cals. wil be 2300 which will have 230 grams protein, 172 g carbs, and 77grams fat.

1.Something I definetly want to incorporate is an idea that I stole from Blood&Iron and that he stole from Lyle. Right before my workout I will have a small protein shake(cfm whey) and halfway through my workout I will have 50 grams of carbs(*malto). Immediately after my workout I wil have a serving of Surge which is 50 grams carbs(malto/dextrose) and 25 grams hydro-whey. So right there I have taken care of 100 grams of carbs. The next thing I thought was to have about 30 grams in the morning of carbs and then another 30 following my post-workout shake. Sound like a good idea?

2. I will have 9 meals total and they might look like this...
#1. 30g protein/30g carbs/ 12g fat
#2. 30g protein/12g fat
#3. 30g protein/12g fat
#4. 30g protein/12g fat
#5. 30g protein(right before workout)
#6. 50g carbs(during workout)
#7. 50g carbs/ 25g protein (post-workout)
#8. 30g protein/30g carbs/ 12g fat
#9. 30g protein/12g fat

How does that look? The reason why I structured it like that was because I want to place the carbs where they will be used most and have less chance of getting stored. Obviously by having 3 pro/fat meals stringed together I will burn fat no?

Anyways I could just evenly make all meals the same but I think this way might be better. You opinions are appreciated. Thanks.

MarshallPenn
05-13-2002, 01:34 PM
It looks like you're eating a ridulous amount of protein to me.

Wizard
05-13-2002, 01:50 PM
he's right, make it isocaloric as I said you in the pm

noah
05-13-2002, 02:15 PM
protein is too expensive in any form: tuna, salmon, soy, or whey.

Marcel
05-13-2002, 03:14 PM
What am I doing wrong?

2300 cal. Total

2300*.4 = 920 cals. = 230grams Protein

2300*.3 = 690 cals. = 172 grams Carbs

2300*.3 = 690 cals. = 77g Fat

Correct no? 40/30/30?

Blood&Iron
05-13-2002, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Marcel
What am I doing wrong?

2300 cal. Total

2300*.4 = 920 cals. = 230grams Protein

2300*.3 = 690 cals. = 172 grams Carbs

2300*.3 = 690 cals. = 77g Fat

Correct no? 40/30/30?
The 40/30/30 is generally taken to mean 'the Zone', in which the 40% is the carbs. I don't think the amount of protein you'd be consuming is excessive, but I'd still shoot for something closer to isocaloric(33/33/33) Also, food combining is bs... BUT if you are using EC and/or yohimbine and want to optimize their effects you can try something along the lines of what you've presented here--with low-carbs for part of the day. It's actually not that far off from what I do. Take a look in my journal if you're curious. Overall, it looks pretty solid to me; I see no major flaws.

Maki Riddington
05-13-2002, 05:14 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marcel
[B]Okay I'm going to start a 40/30/30 but I'm having a dilemma on how to setup my meals. The cals. wil be 2300 which will have 230 grams protein, 172 g carbs, and 77grams fat.

1.Something I definetly want to incorporate is an idea that I stole from Blood&Iron and that he stole from Lyle. Right before my workout I will have a small protein shake(cfm whey) and halfway through my workout I will have 50 grams of carbs(*malto). Immediately after my workout I wil have a serving of Surge which is 50 grams carbs(malto/dextrose) and 25 grams hydro-whey. So right there I have taken care of 100 grams of carbs. The next thing I thought was to have about 30 grams in the morning of carbs and then another 30 following my post-workout shake. Sound like a good idea?

2. I will have 9 meals total and they might look like this...
#1. 30g protein/30g carbs/ 12g fat
#2. 30g protein/12g fat
#3. 30g protein/12g fat
#4. 30g protein/12g fat
#5. 30g protein(right before workout)
#6. 50g carbs(during workout)
#7. 50g carbs/ 25g protein (post-workout)
#8. 30g protein/30g carbs/ 12g fat
#9. 30g protein/12g fat

How does that look? The reason why I structured it like that was because I want to place the carbs where they will be used most and have less chance of getting stored. Obviously by having 3 pro/fat meals stringed together I will burn fat no?

*** Good job, my 'cutting' routine is very simliar to yours.
I'll be doing almost excatly what you'll be doing minus the shake during my workout.
Not much else to say I'll be doing what your doing.

Marcel
05-13-2002, 05:28 PM
Blood&Iron - Ahhhhhh...come on Blood you think food combining is bs!?! Tell that to John M. Berardi and Don Lemmon! Just playing with ya Blood...just that those guys SWEAR by food combining. I guess they have brain washed me into believing their theories about combining pro/fat and pro/carbs. Besides my fat will come from fish oil and a little almond butter too. I started MD-6 again(that sh*t kicks a$$ all over the place!) My body reacts good to yohimbine. I'm also gonna buy some ala to use around my high-gi carb meals during workouts.

Maki - Sounds good man. :cool:

MarshallPenn
05-13-2002, 05:35 PM
You have 310g of in the above example. And 200+ is excessive as well -- your going to piss it out and waste money.

Marcel
05-13-2002, 05:40 PM
MarshallPenn - I have 235g Protein in the plan. I think you confused 50g Carbs and the other 50g Carbs for Protein grams. Look at meals #6 & #7 they 50g are Carbs(simple ones malto/dextrose)

Severed Ties
05-14-2002, 12:19 AM
While I'd keep the protein and carbs during and post workout, I'd lower your number of meals and try to figure out what your going to actually eat food wise each meal. Remember a diet should resemble what you normally eat except with smaller portions.


ST

gino
05-14-2002, 06:58 AM
For shedding dome fat, that looks like a good diet plan. You definitely have your carbs in the right places, although I prefer to consume at least a few carbs with every meal.

MonStar
05-14-2002, 07:58 AM
Marcel-
Looking good bro. I would maybe like ST said condense it a little more maybe into 6 meals or 7. And the entire aspect of food combining is total crap. I personally believe that all of the food myths are crap. Milk cancells out fat-loss or blurs definition. I dont believe that for a minute! Working great for me!! I drink 36+ oz. per day. :p:p

MS

Wizard
05-14-2002, 08:30 AM
Marcel-
Food combining is very important. Word...

JB

Marcel
05-15-2002, 11:14 AM
ST - here is my meal plan for workout days which will be 4 days a week(sometimes 5 days)...

6:15 - 1/4 cup oats or 2 slices multi-grain bread(no preservatives or flour...some class A stuff) + 1/3 cup casein + 1 tablespoon natty almond butter = equal 325 cal./27g protein/26g carb/ 12g fat

9:15 - 5 oz chicken or 5 oz lean steak + fish oil caps = equal to 250 cal 31g protein/2g carb/12g fat

12:00 - 5 oz chicken or 5 oz lean steak + fish oil caps = equal to 250 cal 31g protein/2g carb/12g fat

2:45 - 5 oz chicken or 5 oz lean steak + fish oil caps = equal to 250 cal 31g protein/2g carb/12g fat

5:00 - (seconds before workout) 1/3 cup cfm whey = equal to 96cal/23g protein

5:30 - (half-way into workout) 1/3 cup maltodextrin = equal to 160cal/40g carb

6 - (post-workout) 1 serving Surge = equal 350 cal/50g carb/ 25g protein

8 - 1/4 cup oats or 2 slices multi-grain bread(no preservatives or flour...some class A stuff) + 1/3 cup casein + 1 tablespoon natty almond butter = equal 325 cal./27g protein/26g carb/ 12g fat

10 - 1/3 cup casein + fish caps

You got any beef with that plan? Why less meals they are pretty small? Thanks dude.

Gino - The reason I made my meals with carbs based around times when I think my body will put them most to use. Above you can see that I have 3 PURE protein/fat meals because I feel that works good for me. In the morning they are ace I think and the meal like 2 hours after I think will be ace too. Thanks for the quick response bro.

MS - :D

Wizard - word. :cool: