first cycle boys, help me make it a good one

[ericmorris]

hey. i was wondering if you could give me an idea on stacking primo depot with equipoise? will this give me mass gains? and are there a lot of side effects? ie. prostate, gyno, testes shrinkage?
if this isnt the right one, could you give me some ideas?? im 18 years old been training for a couple years, got a nice base now i want to gROW even bigger:)
thanks. nothing too drastic though. i wanna live a long n prosper life
peace

[Tadger]

Hey... give it about 3 more years. Your test and GH levels are already through the roof at your age. When I was 18 I noticed that my nipples got all sore... cuz my natural test levels were so high. I'm not terribly prone to gyno.... so yeah. Just keep eating right and hit the weights hard. Lift heavy and you should build just as well naturally as you would on the gear. Your hormone levels are still leveling out... and you don't want to mess with your system while it's still developing. I know that the temptation is pretty overwhelming... but just give it about 3 years. If you start too soon, it can dramatically lower your natural test levels, close up your epiphysial growth plates prematurely and cause all kinds of hormonal and psychological/emotional problems.

2 years of training at your age is not nearly enough. You didn't say how much you weigh, your bf% or how tall you are. I'm sure you've got plenty of natural growth left in ya. If ya got any questions... just ask. The boys here are always glad to help ya out.

[Les]

I agree..wait..BUT..

u are a stubborn ass 18 yr old so I KNOW u arent gonna listen..If so Id go 500-600 mg of test for 7 weeks and last week at half the dose, thats all..you should see 20-30lbs with the right eating...

good luck!

[Belial]

-fill up a needle with oil

-inject it in glute

-Go eat a peanut butter and tuna sandwich. No, wait, make that three. ;)

Wait, how about this: (I'm definitely not the one to give you a cycle) how tall are you/how much do you weigh? (bf%, too)

[Savannah]

Well, I would suggest walking into your local supplement store and asking the very attractive yet helpful girl working, what the best protein bar would be to aid along your first cycle;)

Just messing wioth you, glad to see you came to a place where your questions will be answered.

[Spiderman]

bwahahahhahahahahhahaa......

[Tadger]

I'd recommend anavar over test... originally it was developed for use in women and children... and so it's extremely mild. It'll give good strength gains, and harden ya up pretty well without any harsh side effects and it won't interfere with endogenous test production too much.

[montecristo412]

1. primo and EQ have very similar effects on the AR, so it would not make a lot of sense to stack these 2. it should be either or.

2. at 18 your AR is not very mature, meaning you don't have a lot of them even if you do have a lot of muscle. this is why even though you have a lot of nautural testosterone floating in your body you're not making steroid like gains naturally. if you take a lot of exogenous testosterone you're gonna be wasting a lot of it because your ARs won't respond well. if you use AS now you'll have more side effects at a the same amount of growth compared to if you use when you're older in life.

there's a rare occurance of permanent testicular atrophy with AS use, even more unlikely with primo and EQ, but chances increase when you start young.

you're probably gonna be a stubborn son of a bich and use anyway, so i'll help you the best i can. stay away from EQ. it's not that bad, but as a teen you should stick to any AS that would be recommended for women. anavar is absolutely the best choice, but is pricy especially for an 18 year old. primo is a good choice too, but keep the dose down to 200mg/week and no more. primo is also pretty pricy, but the injectable is not as bad as the oral.

[Kodiak]

If you're gonna do it you might as well do it right. I would go with the classic test and dbol or test and adrol cycle. 400mg test/week and use the dbol at 25mg/day in the middle 4 weeks or the adrol at 50mg/day in the middle 4 weeks. If you're not too excited about the 17aa component of adrol or dbol substitute it with EQ, Deca, or primobolan. But as these other guys have commented you are somewhat young to be using.

[Tadger]

"2. at 18 your AR is not very mature, meaning you don't have a lot of them even if you do have a lot of muscle. this is why even though you have a lot of nautural testosterone floating in your body you're not making steroid like gains naturally. "

Hmm... well if putting on 30lbs in one year isn't steroid like then I dunno what is. Most of the guys that I know put on the most weight in the smallest amount of time in the late teens to early 20s. I think that improper nutrition, rest, inconsistant or improper training and too much alcohol are the reasons that many don't get the results they want. The ones that hit it right... they get big quick.

Now as far as Kodiak's comment... disregard that. Hell, the last thing you want is to pump yourself full of strong androgens. You want to use something that is more anabolic than androgenic... it will compliment the naturally high test levels you have. You'll also want something that will interfere with the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis as little as possible.

I have a buddy back home that hit the gear when he was 16 or 17... he's only 5'4 and completely bald now, while his brothers are all 6' or just a hair under. He was one mean mother... mood swings every five minutes and wasn't ever happy with anything. They put him on antidepressants cuz the fluctuating hormone levels really ****ed him in the head. Now that he's laid off for a few of years he's become alot milder... It took a good three or 4 years before he was back to the guy he used to be. You gotta be careful with this ****. Starting too early will cause nothing but problems.