ecdysterone efficiency

[yannickkk]

Could someone help me (and us) about ecdysterone. I want to know what think those who have take it ..... It's work or not ............???????


thanks for your responses ...........

[HumanV]

It is made primarily from a plant that comes from Southern Siberia and Eastern Kazakhstan. It is purely anabolic with no androgenic side effects. It acts exclusively on muscle cells. While testosterone and it its steriod derivatives act on many organs including sex glands, prostate, liver as well as muscle....Ecdy affects only muscle. It won't cause the shut down of natural testosterone production or hypertrophy of any other organ, just promote muscle growth. The best way to administer it is liposomally. EAS mixes indole 3 carbinol (I3C) and calcuim d glucarate in concentrated doses with the product that lower estrogen production. This allows for a good production level of testostrone. So....ecdystrone used in combination with the right products and delivered liposomally is a very powerful anabolic agent. One study with 40 elite male athletes showed that supplementation with Ecdy for only 10 days increased muscle tissue mass by 6 percent. Besides steriods, the Russians have used this in Olympic competition for the past 2 decades. Prohormones lift your testosterone levels initially, then your body makes adjustments that suck testosterone out of the blood stream and converts it to DHT or estrogen. This will affect your prostate and make you bald to boot. It will not make any more testosterone until estrogen levels go back down hours later. So, you are on a yo yo.....take more prohormone..same cycle. Prostate gets it, and more hair leaves. You are a walking estrogen factory. The key to Ecdy is it maintains consistent high testosterone levels and low estrogen levels. Hope this helps.

[tony touch]

i think it sucks. used it before with zero results as a result

[Blood&Iron]

Originally posted by HumanV
It is made primarily from a plant that comes from Southern Siberia and Eastern Kazakhstan. It is purely anabolic with no androgenic side effects. It acts exclusively on muscle cells. While testosterone and it its steriod derivatives act on many organs including sex glands, prostate, liver as well as muscle....Ecdy affects only muscle. It won't cause the shut down of natural testosterone production or hypertrophy of any other organ, just promote muscle growth. The best way to administer it is liposomally. EAS mixes indole 3 carbinol (I3C) and calcuim d glucarate in concentrated doses with the product that lower estrogen production. This allows for a good production level of testostrone. So....ecdystrone used in combination with the right products and delivered liposomally is a very powerful anabolic agent. One study with 40 elite male athletes showed that supplementation with Ecdy for only 10 days increased muscle tissue mass by 6 percent. Besides steriods, the Russians have used this in Olympic competition for the past 2 decades. Prohormones lift your testosterone levels initially, then your body makes adjustments that suck testosterone out of the blood stream and converts it to DHT or estrogen. This will affect your prostate and make you bald to boot. It will not make any more testosterone until estrogen levels go back down hours later. So, you are on a yo yo.....take more prohormone..same cycle. Prostate gets it, and more hair leaves. You are a walking estrogen factory. The key to Ecdy is it maintains consistent high testosterone levels and low estrogen levels. Hope this helps.
Hmmm...this sorta sounds like an ad. Out of curiousity, did you get this from the EAS website and/or do you work for them?

Ecdysterone is known as an adaptogen, which is a pretty vague term that describes anything that helps organisms cope with increased environmental stresses. It does not affect androgen receptors at all(The above doesn't really state that it does, but it's worded in such a manner as to be easily confusing if you don't know better.) It acts through a different mechanism than steroids in that has an affect on ribosomes, which are involved in the assembly of amino acids into proteins. Whether it is useful to bodybuilders is questionable. Most feedback I've seen has been negative. I used it myself for a time, and felt it might have improved recovery. I was on a severe caloric restriction at the time(about 1500kcal a day) and lifting two times a day for an hour at each session, and felt it helped a bit in preventing overtraining. It was probably my imagination, though.

[The Guru]

A couple of problems...

Originally posted by HumanV
The key to Ecdy is it maintains consistent high testosterone levels and low estrogen levels. Hope this helps.

Originally posted by HumanV
It is purely anabolic with no androgenic side effects. It acts exclusively on muscle cells.

Originally posted by HumanV
While testosterone and it its steriod derivatives act on many organs including sex glands, prostate, liver as well as muscle....Ecdy affects only muscle. It won't cause the shut down of natural testosterone production or hypertrophy of any other organ, just promote muscle growth.

How can someone maintain (?) high testosterone levels and not have any side effect or rebound effect by the body? You state that Ecdy has no effect on anything except muscle...but if it maintains a high level of testosterone then you have contradicted your own statement since higher than normal test would affect nearly every tissue in the body.



Originally posted by HumanV
EAS mixes indole 3 carbinol (I3C) and calcuim d glucarate in concentrated doses with the product that lower estrogen production. This allows for a good production level of testostrone.

No! No! No! I would like to see how Calcium d-Glucarate is "concentrated" since all of it is manufactured by the same solitary company. Calcium d-Glucarate DOES NOT lower estrogen production! It removes the enzyme glucuronidase from the intestine thereby allowing liver glucuronidation to occur more easily. In doing so, it facilitates removal of excessive stored estrogen from the body. It does nothing to affect estrogen production! Secondly, if using an estrogen detox supplement like either I3C or CDG, you MUST stop taking excessive other hormones or supplements that maintain high test levels! Otherwise without substrate to fuel the need for liver phase 2 glucuronidation, the body will begin to detox your own test levels if they are anywhere near above the body's baseline. If you don't believe me, just try taking your favorite prohormone with Calcium d-Glucarate...you will get virtually no effect from the prohormone.

Originally posted by HumanV
One study with 40 elite male athletes showed that supplementation with Ecdy for only 10 days increased muscle tissue mass by 6 percent.

Post a link to that study if: 1) it was done in a non-third world country, 2) it is in the past 2 years, and, 3) if it has a proposed mechanism stating exactly how it works rather than theory.

Originally posted by HumanV
Prohormones lift your testosterone levels initially, then your body makes adjustments that suck testosterone out of the blood stream and converts it to DHT or estrogen.

What adjustments "suck testosterone out of the blood"?


Originally posted by HumanV
This will affect your prostate and make you bald to boot.

Painfully inaccurate in that it will depend on many many factors too numerous to go into. Suffice to say, that if it did just as you say, then propecia would be required for anyone using a PH...and that it would work nearly 100% of the time. It does not and is not required for everyone. So the mechanism, while established, does not seem to be the entire piece of the puzzle.

Originally posted by HumanV
It will not make any more testosterone until estrogen levels go back down hours later. So, you are on a yo yo.....take more prohormone..same cycle. Prostate gets it, and more hair leaves. You are a walking estrogen factory.

This can be minimized with proper use and additional supplementation. It is also going to depend on predisposing history and other things. I am also unsure as to how the first statement can be verified scientifically.




I hate to reference another website, but here is a link to a debate where the owner of a large supplement company (one that sells ecdysterone) tried to take on several knowledgeable members regarding ecdysterone. Worth a look to see him get slammed as well as some misconceptions removed. Oh and it should answer any questions you might have.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18394

[HumanV]

I summarized an article from Muscle Media Magazine. I believe it was a couple of issues ago. Go to musclemedia.com and scroll through the archives. You should find it.
I am using the EAS product EcdyMaxHP for about 10 days now. My strength has spiked considerably on all lifts. I will weigh myself after I complete the month supply. I still take protein (of course) glutamine and creatine. I am a "hard gainer". 6'0 160 pounds. I like the fact that my strength has increased after I had somewhat peaked out.