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synonymous
06-30-2011, 12:03 AM
I use diet soda to curb my need for something sweet during the day. I also like it with dinner, diet gingerale in particular. I've always been told here and there that aspartame and others artificial sweeteners were bad but I can't quite get my head around what they are saying

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20075358-10391704.html

Is the 'science' that if I drink a diet soda, the sweetner is giving me zero calories making me want to eat more than I normally would? How many lifters out there are drinking diet sodas without issue? How much do you drink?

jbob1
06-30-2011, 12:32 AM
Diet soda drinkers eat more to because they feel like its balanced out as long they drink diet and not regular soda.

Basically they think : "I had a diet coke with lunch so I can eat even more later "

krazylarry
06-30-2011, 01:13 AM
A study of people 65-75 years old, because thats most of the folks here on WBB...
But seriously jbob1 had it right, people feel entitled, same reason why folks who drive hybrids drive like assholes.

ZAR-FIT
06-30-2011, 05:41 AM
i drink 4-6 liters of diet soda a day....... guess i'm supposed to be obese now.

synonymous
06-30-2011, 06:11 AM
So it's sloppy science...I figured as much. I'm not a scientist but I would've guessed the people who put this out would've included what the diets consisted of for the people they looked at.

Alex.V
06-30-2011, 06:49 AM
These sorts of studies generally don't apply to people who monitor their caloric intakes. For those purely intuitive eaters out there, sure, but for 95% of people on this board, who are aware of what they put in their bodies (to some extent or another), the conclusion isn't relevant.

SDS
06-30-2011, 08:15 AM
Not only do they taste weird, but the phetylketonurics make my guts all crampy. I just get a Cherry Coke at the Sonic every once and a while, and for meals drink tea with Splenda. It's water the rest of the time......I like water.

Cards
06-30-2011, 08:30 AM
I drink 1-2 diet sodas a week, I get them for free at work some times and it goes great with lunch. More of a seltzer water fan to be honest. I think i'm supporting a local brand with the amount I buy.

Mark!
06-30-2011, 08:35 AM
I'm more about tea with stevia in it rather than diet coke, but I do enjoy a cherry coke zero, or diet limeade from sonic every once in a while. Ideally, I try to keep water intake higher, adding lemon and stevia in it to add flavor.

Alex.V
06-30-2011, 09:01 AM
Not only do they taste weird, but the phetylketonurics make my guts all crampy. I just get a Cherry Coke at the Sonic every once and a while, and for meals drink tea with Splenda. It's water the rest of the time......I like water.

You have PKU?

Ouch.

SDS
06-30-2011, 09:15 AM
You have PKU?

Ouch.

LOL......I don't think so (I had to google it)

I guess I'm just assuming it's the sweeteners in diet cokes that make me crampy. I can drink regular Coke with no problem, but Diet Coke makes my stomach all weird for a while. I suppose it could be something else in the formulation that's doing it......I just avoid them, so it really doesn't matter.

4g64fiero
06-30-2011, 03:07 PM
Studies that dont make mention of all variables while making claims in an absolute manner tend to be bullshit especially with such a limited data set.

Its a shame because I would like to see a legitimate, long term, thorough study of all artificial sweeteners. I havent found any but I'm not that great at looking, either.

In my own anecdotal experience, I drink about 4 diet sodas a day. I have lost around 25 lbs so far on this cut. Does this mean I could have lost more not drinking aspartame? I dont know. I have never cut without diet soda.


This wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy)is a pretty good read though.

4g64fiero
06-30-2011, 03:26 PM
But seriously. People are afraid of food. You ever read that stuff about MSG? Holy crap. The internet can demonize anything. MSG is hydrolyzed quickly by the body into L-glutamine. Sound familiar?

The same people pissed off about aspartame also really hate MSG. They have no scientific evidence what so ever from what I can find. The body actually needs the chemicals that msg and aspartame break down into (save methanol from aspartame albeit in really small doses compared to fruit).

The circumstances in which these substances were approved for consumption are questionable, though. I think thats where most of the controversy comes from.

LOL (http://www.msgtruth.org/aspartam.htm)

thecityalive
06-30-2011, 05:50 PM
The only diet drink I like is Coke Zero. However the taste of a Coca-Cola is unbeatable...mmm I'm jonesin for one now. But to echo what Bellal said, these studies are generally for people who don't take inventory in what they put in their bodies in the first place.

Do I number count?
Yes.
Do I enjoy a break from water and workout drinks?
Yes.
Is Coke better than Pepsi.
Duh.
Is pomegranate nectar delicious?
You bet your bottom dollar.

Dan Fanelli
06-30-2011, 06:54 PM
First off, I cant find these studies anywhere, but they appear to not be new at all.

http://www.yaleruddcenter.org/resources/upload/docs/what/industry/ArtificiallySweetenedBeverages_Ludwig_JAMA_12.09.pdf
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/sugary-vs-diet-drinks/index.html

So im dissappointed that these studies are not easily accessable as I have a TON of questions.

1)How much aspartame were rats given compared to the amount humans are likely to take in during a day?
2)The rats were "bred to be susceptable to diabetes" and there weren't statistically significant diffrences (end of discussion on that one)
3)We need the details. Were the "diet soda drinkers" compared to regular soda drinkers, or non-soda drinkers?

This is an important question, because we need to be able to quantify these risks. For example, you could find out that drinking >2 REGULAR sodas a day increases your waist size 200% over non-soda drinkers, while drinking >2 DIET sodas a day increases your wais size 70% over non-soda drinkers. If this is the case, diet soda is still a good alternative to regular soda.

And this is the way I see it. We KNOW drinking a ton of regular soda will likely make you fat and lead you toward diabetes. We SPECULATE that drinking diet soda may have similar effects, but we dont know for sure. If you have the choice between drinking 5 diet sodas a day or 5 regular sodas a day, the diet sodas are still the way to go.

There are still so many problems I can see with these studies. If these results are just self-reported, theres a big chance for error there. Regular soda drinkers may be lying stating that they dont drink regular soda, and just drink diet soda, and all people may be estimating their consumption incorrectly.

The other concern is that diet soda drinkers may have different "tastes" than non-soda drinkers. They may be more inclined to eating sugary foods all around and that could be what is causing the fat gain, not the diet sodas.

Correlation does not mean Causation!

IronRanger
06-30-2011, 07:41 PM
Aspartame breaks down into phenylalanine which breaks down into tyrosine which converts to dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. Tyrosine's a stimulant used by some lifters preworkout. It's also used to treat certain types of depression, which is what I use it for.

This may be causing the gut queasiness.