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Spiderman
05-24-2002, 03:09 PM
Aight.. I thought I'd start a mini journal here to let y'all know how I'm feeling while on this stuff. Today was my first day. I started at 200mg in the morning before breakfast...see how that does. I feel fine right now. I don't plan on weighing myself, simply going by how I look. I know that sounds utterly ridiculous, but its better for me. My diet is something like this...

Meal 1:
Vit. B complex
Magnesium
1.5 g Vit. C
1 can Tuna
2 Scoops 100% Optimum Whey
2.5 tsp. Crunchy Peanut Butter
2 14 oz cups coffee
Equal
2.5 tblsp. artificial creamer

Meal 2:
3 Scoops 100% Optimum Whey
2.5 tsp CPB
210 mcg Selenium
1000 mg Vit E

Meal 3:
Various Meat... Turkey, Roast Beef
2 slices Cheese
few Vegetables... tomatoe, green pepper, mushroom

Meal 4:
1000mg Vit E
210 mcg Selenium
Same as meal 2

Meal 5:
1.5 g Vit C
Vit. B-complex
Magnesium
Same as meal 3

Meal 6:
Same as Meal 4


Glutamine will soon be added to meals 1 and 5 as soon as it comes in the mail. Hope this goes well. :D

Paul Stagg
05-24-2002, 03:16 PM
Tuna in the morning.

You ARE hardcore.

Be careful.

Joe Black
05-24-2002, 03:38 PM
when i saw the dnp thread I was like damn... Then I saw the tuna for meal one and am more damned lol..

As Paul said be carefull...

Maki Riddington
05-24-2002, 05:36 PM
Spidey, what are were your stats before you started the DNP?

Pup
05-24-2002, 08:46 PM
Where the hell is the glycerin, you had better be taking 3 or more tbs of that a day, glad you got the selenium in there though, make sure you keep the potassium up too, cause the rise in surface temp will desalinate those sells and throw off the Na/K pump, and above all else, BE CAREFUL!

BCC
05-24-2002, 11:01 PM
Damn DNP, that's real hardcore. 200 mg's isn't much though, are you looking to up it to 3-5 mg or more per pound of body weight? Or are you just playing it safe?

Regardless, good luck with it and be careful.

Alex.V
05-24-2002, 11:15 PM
uhh..... where are the carbs?

BCC
05-24-2002, 11:18 PM
At that low of a dose carbs aren't much of a necessity.

Alex.V
05-24-2002, 11:22 PM
huh? Regardless of dose, you should have carbs in your diet. Low carbing with DNP is silly.

BCC
05-24-2002, 11:25 PM
I believe he's low carbing it to keep glycogen low. As far as I know, DNP could be called "internal cardio," so you would think he'd burn fat more efficiently and immediately. I may be completely wrong, that's just what I'm assuming.

Pup
05-25-2002, 05:59 AM
Here's the scoop with DNP, to get glycogen depleted, you just low carb eat for 3 days prior to usage, but not eating carbs while on DNP is a recipe for disaster, if it doesn't make you a walking zombie, it'll sure as hell make you a lot more lethargic than you need to be.

Spiderman
05-25-2002, 07:51 AM
Well, it may help to make me a bit more lethargic, but I'm still on the EQ so that will help a little bit. As for carbs...I guess it doesn't make sense to me to have'em while on dnp. Why would you want to have something thats just gonna compete with the fat burning anyway? I am getting some Glycerol today.. I can't find it anywhere around here so I have to go for a little drive. :rolleyes: That will be added and probably some potassium too as pup suggested. I completely forgot about that stuff.

My stats I'm not sure about, I'm guessing around 12-14% bf, at what weight..I"m not sure. And as i said before I"m not gonna weigh myself. Mentally, I'm better able to handle things if I just don't get on the scale. ;)

the doc
05-25-2002, 08:26 AM
glycerol is at any drug store

it may also be labeled glycerine or glycerin

Now as for the carb issue i have not used DNP but i know of its effects. It basicly decouples oxidative phosphorlation from regultation, leaving it always on. Now since the primary fuel for oxidative phophoryltation is acetyl CoA (from triglycerides) i dont see why carbs are needed.

Alex.V
05-25-2002, 10:55 AM
Run a few searches elsewhere, doc. It ain't that simple. You'll feel like crap without carbs, the body is not a test tube. Yes, DNP will burn fat almost exclusively. But it will scavenge glucose from the system, and without carbs you'll go hypoglycemic. I'll find you a few links, but run searches on AF etc. It's well documented.

In addition, it will burn dietary fat before stores. So a diet high in peanut butter, cheese, etc. is completely counterproductive.

Spiderman
05-25-2002, 11:45 AM
*Grabs pen... amends diet... * *smacks himself....* DOH! Thanks Belial. Good to know now than 8 days into it. ;)

Oh, doc... I"ve tried 4 local pharmacies and 2 nutrition stores here in town... and nothing. I've also tried a local nutrition chain just out of town and they don't have it either. :( So, I had to order it off the bloody internet.. Now I gotta wait for it damnit! :swear:

the doc
05-25-2002, 08:48 PM
damn b that is interesting...
something i never would try, but it is interesting to see the macro effects from the microscopic events in the mitochondia.

spidey i cant believe they dont have the glycerol

did you look under the other names?
I thought i even saw some at costco.

Spiderman
05-26-2002, 09:58 AM
Yesterday was good. I took two pills and I can already see results today. I didn't feel that warm at all. I''m glad I'm eating some carbs though...damn that woulda been really tough.

Marcel
05-26-2002, 03:35 PM
Damn already?!? Crazy sh*t dude. Good luck.

Orange357
05-26-2002, 04:32 PM
Good luck man.

Spiderman
05-26-2002, 05:27 PM
Aight..today was good. I'm not getting that warm and I"m not sure why. I have it from 2 different people, so I think I'll move to the other stuff tomorrow...see if that makes a difference at all. I think i've lost a little weight, not sure though. IMO, the only real way to know its working is the constant warm/hot feeling. That really hasn't been to much though..perhaps some, but not a lot. Oh well... I'll change pills tomorrow and see if that helps. :)

The_Chicken_Daddy
05-27-2002, 05:56 AM
I've been eating tuna for breakfast everyday for nearly a year now. It's like second nature now...

Spidey, what time of day are you taking these tabs? I dunno much about it but i recall most people saying they take them before bed (i think.)

I remember reading all of Yaz's posts about not to take DNP on low carbs. Lucky B was reading this eh, spidey? :)

Spiderman
05-27-2002, 07:02 AM
Yeah...lucky. I been taking one tab at breakfast and one tab at lunch. Seems to be fine. But perhaps I should take one at nite....I'll have to consider that idea..... :scratch:

Spiderman
05-27-2002, 05:23 PM
Ok, today I felt a little of the heat... I was sweating a little more than usual today. I drank a ton of water too... diet has been good. Been doin about 35-40 g carbs and protein at each meal. Fat is right around 10-12 g per meal I think. Dinner tonite was a bit more carbs probably as I took my gf out to dinner at Applebees. I had a Chicken Fajita Grande. mmmmm...tasty. :D

Upon acquiring some very good info from a good DNP post I'm going to be moving taking the tabs at nite instead. So at around 9 pm nightly I"ll take two tabs. See how 400 mg does me and perhaps up it to 600 mg... depending on how I feel.

Spiderman
05-29-2002, 09:44 AM
Yesterday I really felt it. I was at work and was sweating like a pig. My energy was almost nill in the gym. My workout was pretty $hitty. Diet was on though... ;)

Spiderman
05-29-2002, 09:50 AM
Last nite I took 2 pills at 9 pm, went to bed at 10:30, slept nine hours almost straight. Again sweatin like a muthafuka... but I noticed a good difference this morning. I can feel it too. For one, my mini spare tire around my belly button don't roll up anymore when I sit down. :p Today should go well... as for my workout, well, thats probably a different story.

BCC
05-29-2002, 03:18 PM
Good to hear you're still alive and kickin' :thumbup:

Spiderman
05-30-2002, 07:21 PM
Ok, so last nite I slept like $hit. Don't know if it was the heat outside or the heat inside...lol. Today was well...eating was on, got all my supps in and started using my glycerol. Looking and feeling a bit leaner too. ;) I can't wait to hear what mi chica has to say. :D

Muscle4Christ
05-30-2002, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Spiderman
As for carbs...I guess it doesn't make sense to me to have'em while on dnp.

Because you'll go hypoglycemic. It's not going to hinder fat loss. And get some glycerin Ryan.

Chris Rodgers
05-30-2002, 08:49 PM
Words of wisdom from Yaz Duchaine, lol. ;)

Alex.V
05-30-2002, 08:54 PM
Hey. :( I said all that first.

*cries in a corner*

Muscle4Christ
05-30-2002, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Belial
Hey. :( I said all that first.

*cries in a corner*

Er, sorry. Somehow I totally missed that post.

I'm an illiterate freak.

The_Chicken_Daddy
05-31-2002, 05:12 AM
Yaz, i read loads of your posts about hypoglycemia from low carbing on DNP from ages ago. They were good schiznit. :)

Spiderman
05-31-2002, 08:56 AM
I added the carbs Ryan. I think you missed that post. And I also have been using the glycerOL... its actually helped a lot. Glycerin is not the same thing from what I understand. ;)

the doc
05-31-2002, 10:21 AM
glycerin not glycerol :scratch:
who told you that spidey?

Alex.V
05-31-2002, 11:03 AM
They're the exact same compound.

Spiderman
06-01-2002, 11:51 AM
Well, whatever. I got Glycerol Fuel by Twinlab. Last nite was pretty good. I sweat like a pig again. Not doin too bad today... Already sweat through one shirt though. I'll see how the rest of the day goes. Oh, and Nextel can suck my dick. Apparently, instead of putting me on the National 300 plan that I signed up for the asshole that signed me up put me on unlimited 2-way.. ONLY!! So all the damn calls I been making have been charged. Hence why my mofo'in bill is $378.42!!! Good thing I"m not gonna pay it. ;)

Allie
06-01-2002, 01:57 PM
LOL

Sounds like you have had a LOVELY day! ;)

Spiderman
06-03-2002, 06:30 AM
Well, I got the Nextel $hit worked out... glad that is done with. As for diet yesterday...it wasn't that bad. I did pretty damn good actually. I was kinda tired when I woke up this morning, but that may have something to do with the little amount of sleep I got last nite. Overall its coming along nicely... lookin good. ;)

Oh, and I applied for a job as a Wellness Specialist today... pray that I get it!!! :)

Maki Riddington
06-03-2002, 09:03 AM
*prays for Spidey*

heathj
06-03-2002, 09:05 AM
I don't think you want people praying..Rock and Cent will be glad to get on their knees....Hope you get it though. Send me a picture on email of how you look now.

Spiderman
06-03-2002, 09:25 AM
Well, it seems like I'm losing fat, yet It really don't FEEL like it... know what I mean? I don't know.....perhaps I'm paranoid..not sure. I do know my gf likes it though. :D

Savannah
06-03-2002, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by Spiderman
Well, whatever. I got Glycerol Fuel by Twinlab. Last nite was pretty good. I sweat like a pig again. Not doin too bad today... Already sweat through one shirt though. I'll see how the rest of the day goes. Oh, and Nextel can suck my dick. Apparently, instead of putting me on the National 300 plan that I signed up for the asshole that signed me up put me on unlimited 2-way.. ONLY!! So all the damn calls I been making have been charged. Hence why my mofo'in bill is $378.42!!! Good thing I"m not gonna pay it. ;)

Is this why you haven't been calling me? :p

Spiderman
06-03-2002, 01:35 PM
Check your voicemail....

Allie
06-03-2002, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Spiderman
Well, it seems like I'm losing fat, yet It really don't FEEL like it... know what I mean? I don't know.....perhaps I'm paranoid..not sure. I do know my gf likes it though. :D

I will let you know what I think on Saturday ;) Because I know you want to come home to hang out with me LOL

<---- SUPER fun to hang out with! *hint hint*

Spiderman
06-03-2002, 07:05 PM
:scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:

hmmmmm....... :p

Spiderman
06-04-2002, 11:36 AM
Well, last nite was good. However, the sweating was a tad more b/c of the person next to me in bed. :D Diet was on target... and it has been today as well. Just not enough sleep last nite at all. Don't think I"ll lift legs on only 4 hours of sleep......

Spiderman
06-05-2002, 05:44 PM
I slept damn well last nite. The sweat was more evident this time on clean sheets. (well, not anymore at least). I been feelin hella tired too. Perhaps thats b/c I stopped the EQ injections last week... that was helping to give me a little more energy. Today was good. IT was nice and cool here so I didn't feel the heat hardly at all. I have enough DNP left to do 5 more nites on it. Not sure yet...but I do know that...

this diet is begining to suck ass...
I need Beer.... :(
I need to get laid...(wait, that has nothing to do with it...)
I want pizza
I want ice cream
I want French Fries
I want...umm... no more fuking water retention! :swear:

Allie
06-10-2002, 06:08 PM
How many people can con you into going off of your diet? :angel: Damn I must have a real talent ;)

the doc
06-10-2002, 06:29 PM
hmmmm

spidey + allie = :hump: ??

Pup
06-10-2002, 07:33 PM
:eek:

Savannah
06-10-2002, 08:07 PM
:withstupi
only Rob isn't stupid:)

Allie
06-11-2002, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by the doc
spidey + allie = :hump: ?

You have a better chance of Hell freezing over!

Muscle4Christ
06-19-2002, 08:03 AM
Hey Ryan,

How's it going?

MonStar
06-19-2002, 10:36 AM
Spidey-
How has the fat loss been coming along man? DNP worth the side effects or nah?

MS