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Bosshogg300
12-27-2011, 12:05 PM
Ok I've never heard of them or anything until today would they be ok to do as a max lift or a supplemental lift on a max lower day or would they be more beneficial on a dynamic lower day as a supplemental lift

kingns
12-27-2011, 05:56 PM
i think the fact that no one does them and you just now heard of them says when you should do them

RhodeHouse
12-28-2011, 09:31 AM
Couldn't have said it better.

Don't reinvent the wheel.

tom183
12-28-2011, 04:04 PM
Agree with the above. They're not well known for good reason.

NITF
01-15-2012, 08:55 PM
I'm looking to keep stress off my calves/shins for a few weeks while recovering from injury... it seems like this move is unpopular, but can someone in my situation reasonably use them to avoid unwanted stress and still squat?

JK1
01-15-2012, 10:40 PM
I'm looking to keep stress off my calves/shins for a few weeks while recovering from injury... it seems like this move is unpopular, but can someone in my situation reasonably use them to avoid unwanted stress and still squat?

I did them after I tore my calf as part of the rehab.

chris mason
01-16-2012, 08:58 AM
Does someone have a link or video to these?

JK1
01-16-2012, 10:57 AM
Does someone have a link or video to these?

Chris, I don't have a link, but they are mentioned in some of the older writings of Louie Simmons--that is where i got the idea for them from.

The problem I had is that you are limited by how much weight you can use and you really have to watch your knees. If you load the bar up where there is some bar flex, it is about impossible to unrack without 2 spotters. Also you have to have your knees on a pad or else you will trash them if the weights get heavy. The limited range of motion really limits the muscles worked too.


I always wondered about doing them with a moderate weight and a band around the waist to train hips for the deadlift--that final forward push of the hips. I haven't done them that way though.

cphafner
01-16-2012, 11:12 AM
Is it this? Kind of looks like the same stimulation you would get from a hack squat

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MarcusWild
01-16-2012, 11:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xcud0k2paE

I wonder how often they are used?

NITF
01-16-2012, 12:33 PM
I was just gonna post that Weisberger vid... Isn't she a record holder?

MarcusWild
01-16-2012, 01:00 PM
Yeah, she is an amazing lifter geared and raw. That other video is Chris Duffin who's put up some huge squats (1000+) and deadlifts (800+). That's why I wonder if it's something they use regularly or not.

NITF
01-16-2012, 08:39 PM
I tried these today with very low weight... Seemed like an okay movement all around, and seems great for "hip drive" and glutes, Certainly a very specific movement and a little rough on the knees (at least superficially)... I would still like to know more about it.

chris mason
01-16-2012, 10:48 PM
Never seen them, but they look interesting. Not sure if my right knee would allow for them or not. Might have to give them a try.