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Johnny Vegas
06-12-2002, 02:52 PM
These are my current lifts after one week on my current routine.

Flat Bench
5x5@225
Overhead DB Press
5x5@80
Dips
5x5@body+55

Deadlifts
5x5@275
Wide-Grip Pullups
5x5@body+60
DB Row
5x5@75

Squats
5x5@245
Leg Extension
5x5@250
Hyperextensions
5x5@+55

Johnny Vegas
06-13-2002, 10:21 AM
Handled my business today.

Deadlifts
5x5@280
Wide-grip Pullups
5x5@body+60
Dumbbell Rows
5x5@75

Reinier
06-13-2002, 12:03 PM
Good luck wiff dis here new thin'. You will make it an' be da biggest. well other than biggy. cuz hes da biggest. what 'chew trippin foo'

Johnny Vegas
06-14-2002, 10:47 AM
Worked like a man on a mission today.

Squats
5x5@245
Leg Extensions
5x5@290
Hyperextensions
5x5@+55

Johnny Vegas
06-15-2002, 11:36 AM
Really hooked up on my bench, but it cost me a few pounds on my dips.

Flat Bench
5x5@235
Overhead DB Press
5x5@80
Dips
5x5@+50

MonStar
06-15-2002, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
Flat Bench
5x5@235
Overhead DB Press
5x5@80
Dips
5x5@+50

Strength looking good man, nice increase. Keep it up. :thumbup::thumbup:

MS

Johnny Vegas
06-15-2002, 12:06 PM
I've been feeling really good lately and it's parlayed well into a good workout. Hopefully I can hold the momentum for a few more weeks and reach a few of my goals.

Johnny Vegas
06-16-2002, 10:38 AM
A musclehead at the gym told me I should be doing more than 300 for 5 reps on deadlifts. I just laughed. Little did he know I planned to do 25 altogether.

Deadlifts
5x5@300
Wide-grip Pullups
5x5@body+60
Dumbbell Rows
5x5@80

Johnny Vegas
06-17-2002, 11:39 AM
I was on my game today. Should meet my goals in another couple weeks.

Squats
5x5@275
Leg Extensions
5x5@290
Hyperextensions
5x5@+50

Johnny Vegas
06-18-2002, 12:35 PM
Too light on bench, reflected in a strong overhead press.

Flat Bench
5x5@235
Overhead DB Press
5x5@95
Dips
5x5@body+55

Johnny Vegas
06-19-2002, 09:51 AM
Being tall and doing deadlifts is truly evil, this is the one time I wish I was smaller.

Deadlifts
5x5@300
Wide-grip Pullups
5x5@body+60
Dumbbell Rows
5x5@85

MonStar
06-19-2002, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
Wide-grip Pullups
5x5@body+60

Awesome strength here man. Keep up the hard work seriously. Really really looking good bro.

Are these WG overhand chins? Excellent strength.. :):)

MS

Johnny Vegas
06-19-2002, 10:49 AM
They're overhand. Sometimes I have to strap myself on or I'll lose my grip. It really depends how deadlifts went.

MonStar
06-19-2002, 10:51 AM
Damn man gotta hand it to ya, deads then pullups. Haha gotta be a b!tch on your grip huh?

MS

Johnny Vegas
06-19-2002, 11:02 AM
On my pull day I have to drive my truck, if I bring the car I cant grab the stick to shift. :)

MonStar
06-19-2002, 11:13 AM
Haha really? Thats insane man. :eek::eek:

MS

Johnny Vegas
06-20-2002, 01:48 PM
Leg Extensions are truly a waste of time, I think I'll look for another exercise to use.

Squats
5x5@295
Leg Extension
5x5@300
Hyperextensions
5x5@+50

Johnny Vegas
06-21-2002, 09:59 AM
I lifted a total of 9875 pounds today, not counting my body weight on the dips.

Flat Bench
5x5@250
Overhead DB Press
5x5@90
Dips
5x5@body+55

Johnny Vegas
06-22-2002, 03:46 PM
I felt like Hans and Frans today, cause I was really pumped up. (and yet at the same time I was such a dork.)

Deadlifts
5x5@300
Wide-grip Pullups
5x5@body+65
Dumbbell Rows
5x5@85

Johnny Vegas
06-23-2002, 06:19 PM
I've decided I have a weak back. I can squat as much as I can deadlift and, to me, that shouldn't be the case. I'll work on this and report back.

Squats
5x5@300
Leg Extension
5x5@300
Hyperextensions
5x5@+60

Johnny Vegas
06-24-2002, 10:38 PM
Yes, I wasted the last couple of days, but it sure was fun.

Las Vegas
Lots of cards and craps.

Johnny Vegas
06-25-2002, 09:35 AM
Here's payback from my body for abusing it with alcohol in Las Vegas. Died after bench.

Flat Bench
5x5@250
Overhead DB Press
5x5@80
Dips
5x5@body+50

Johnny Vegas
06-26-2002, 10:25 AM
Worked through some soreness in my chest and shoulders region today. I'm starting to get discouraged a bit with my deadlifts, I think I'm going to help with hyperextensions on leg day by seriously overloading.

Deadlifts
5x5@305
Wide-grip Pullups
5x5@body+65
Dumbbell Rows
5x5@90

Johnny Vegas
06-27-2002, 10:13 AM
Squatting 315 for 5 full sets of 5 was my second goal. I am 2/3 of the way done with my current lifting scheme.

Squats
5x5@315
Leg Extension
5x5@300
Hyperextensions
5x5@+60

Johnny Vegas
06-28-2002, 10:25 AM
Going for a major overload the next 3 days. Today was a great start.

Flat Bench
5x5@275
Overhead DB Press
5x5@90
Dips
5x5@body+60

Johnny Vegas
06-29-2002, 11:25 AM
A good day but very difficult to get through. Thankfully I only have 1 more day of this routine left.

Deadlifts
5x5@315
Wide-grip Pullups
5x5@body+75
Dumbbell Rows
5x5@100

Johnny Vegas
06-30-2002, 09:24 AM
My 5x5 routine is DONE. I'll have my new routine posted later today when I figure out what I'm going to do.

Squats
5x5@335
Leg Extensions
5x5@300
Hyperextensions
5x5@+75

MonStar
06-30-2002, 09:42 AM
Nice squat strength JV!! :thumbup::thumbup:

5 sets of 5 with 335? Looking good man.

MS

Johnny Vegas
06-30-2002, 11:34 PM
I appreciate your compliments, Monstar. I finally came up with a routine I feel is worthwhile, so here's what I'll be doing for awhile.

Day 1
Flat Bench 2x6-8, 1x3
Incline DB Press 1x6-8, 1x3
Dips 2x4-6

Day 2
Squats 2x6-8, 1x3
Leg Press 1x6-8, 1x3
SLDL 2x4-6

Day 3
Side Lateral Raise 2x6-8
Upright Rows (maybe) 2x6-8
Side Lateral Raises (again) 2x3
Tricep Pushdown 2x6-8
Skullcrushers 2x4-6

Day 4
Deadlifts 2x6-8, 1x3
Wide-grip Pullups 2x4-6
Dumbbell Row 2x6-8

I'm not starting this routine for another few days as I need to recover badly.

Johnny Vegas
07-02-2002, 01:26 PM
Day 1

OK, first day using the new routine. Felt really good, and I was impressed at how good I felt the whole time now that I'm not intentionally overtraining.

Flat Bench
8x365, 6x370, 3x405
Incline DB Press
8x110s, 3x110s (held these just above my chest for 5 seconds)
Dips
6x+100, 3x110

The dips were a hell of a struggle, and I only got 3 the last set. Incline was dissappointing as the 110lb db's are as high as my gym goes and I blew threw those. I may have to come up with something else for those. My bench was ON today, and I was really pleased with my lifts.

Johnny Vegas
07-03-2002, 09:31 AM
Day 2

Got up early, had a hell of a breakfast, worked hard, and I think I did well.

Squats
6x405, 6x405, 3x450
Leg Press
8x810, 3x1200 (how accurate is this weight, someting felt odd)
SLDL
6x295, 6x300

Good day. I think I should study up on SLDL to make sure I'm doing everything right. Felt great in the squat rack. I have 2 days off now before I return.

Johnny Vegas
07-05-2002, 11:53 AM
Day 3

What an odd day. Nothing but assistance lifts I haven't done in months. I don't know if I'm please or not.

Seated Side Lateral Raises
6x40, 6x40
Upright Rows
8x135, 8x165
Seated Side Lateral Raises
3x50, 3x50
Tricep Pushdown
8x150, 8x150
Skullcrushers
6x135, 5x145

Eh.

MonStar
07-05-2002, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
Squats
6x405, 6x405, 3x450
Leg Press
8x810, 3x1200 (how accurate is this weight, someting felt odd)
SLDL
6x295, 6x300

Jesus Christ man. F*cking incredible motherf*cking strength. :eek::eek:

Keep up the hard work seriously man. What are your measurements like? Are you all natural? Incredible strength bro.


Upright Rows
8x135, 8x165
Skullcrushers
6x135, 5x145

Awesome strength here too many holy f*cking sh!t. I am just in aw at your strength as are many others I am sure. ;);)

Johnny Vegas
07-05-2002, 12:27 PM
As always your compliments are greatly appreciated. I am a natural lifter. At last measure, which was approximately 4 months ago, I had just under 20" arms. My thighs were somewhere in the 33-34" range. I have a date with the gym tomorrow, I'll have a trainer sit down with me and do a complete set of measurements.

Johnny Vegas
07-06-2002, 11:24 AM
Day 4

Geez my deadlifts are lagging. I don't feel uncomfortable or pain doing them, but my lower back is really having problems standing up the weight.

Deadlifts
6x350, 6x350, 3x380
Wide-grip Pullups
6x+100, 4x120
Dumbbell Rows
8x100, 8x110

It seems once I drive with my legs and get the weight to the point I need to stand that I just struggle. It doesn't hurt of feel like failure even, just struggling. I think maybe doing partials for a small stint will help.

MonStar
07-06-2002, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
As always your compliments are greatly appreciated. I am a natural lifter. At last measure, which was approximately 4 months ago, I had just under 20" arms. My thighs were somewhere in the 33-34" range. I have a date with the gym tomorrow, I'll have a trainer sit down with me and do a complete set of measurements.

Just under 20" arms and your natural? Thats a little hard to believe JV. I dont know anything is possible I guess but thats a little extreme. How long have you been training for?


Deadlifts
6x350, 6x350, 3x380
Wide-grip Pullups
6x+100, 4x120
Dumbbell Rows
8x100, 8x110

Awesome strength man!! :eek::eek:

Pullup strength is un f*cking real. Holy sh!t. Wide-grip overhand pullups? Or underhand? Youre catching up to Belial. Hes up to +135 lbs. for pullups. Crazy weights.

Johnny Vegas
07-06-2002, 12:13 PM
I've been "training" for a little over 5 years. I've been applying specific theories and ideas to my body for about the last 13 months, as I try to encourage others to do. My arms are just under 20" like I stated. I don't have big blistering cuts like a lot of juicers do, but I think my arms have done well, especially considering I have to deal with a 6' body. Keep watching my journal. When my current cycle ends I'm going to go to a small cycle of nothing but assistance lifts and I should get some great gains to my smaller groups, and hopefully my forearms especially.

MonStar
07-06-2002, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
I've been "training" for a little over 5 years. I've been applying specific theories and ideas to my body for about the last 13 months, as I try to encourage others to do. My arms are just under 20" like I stated. I don't have big blistering cuts like a lot of juicers do, but I think my arms have done well, especially considering I have to deal with a 6' body. Keep watching my journal. When my current cycle ends I'm going to go to a small cycle of nothing but assistance lifts and I should get some great gains to my smaller groups, and hopefully my forearms especially.

Looking forward to you posting your exact measurements. What is your bf% like? So you 6' but how much do you weigh? And do you know what your forearm measurement is? Ill keep watching your journal dont worry. You can check mine out if you like.

Have you ever considered posting pics?

MonStar
07-06-2002, 12:17 PM
... By the way what kind of diet are following?

MonStar
07-06-2002, 12:17 PM
... And supplements? Other than d-bol. Haha jk. ;);)

Johnny Vegas
07-06-2002, 12:34 PM
The jury is still out on the pics thing. I'll post measurements as soon as the one knowledgable trainer comes back to the gym. As far as supplements go, I will swear by creatine until the day I die. I cycle onto creatine when I'm doing overtraining cycles and simple cycles. Simple cycles are when I only do 4 exercises total. Basically I do varying rep ranges and set numbers until I can't lift anymore. The only exercises I do during a simple cycle are bench, squas, deadlifts, pullups. When I cycle to a "normal" routine or an assistance cycle, I lay off the creatine.

Of course I take a protein supplement. Currently my favorite is "Ultimate Whey Gainer". It's got roughly 660 calories per serving.

I take a multivitamin everyday, as well as a fiber supplement, and LOTS of water. I probably consume 2-3 gallons of water a day on average.

Finally I take ZMA. I started ZMA hoping it would be a sleep aid when I ran my overtraining cycle, but have stuck with it. For no reason I can defend, I cycle off ZMA for a week everytime I finish off a bottle.

Now my diet is a much longer story. I always diet the same, as my only real goals to date are gaining, so here goes:

Meal 1
6 egg whites
2 eggs
1 cup oatmeal (add brown sugar at will)
3 strips bacon
1 bagel with natural peanut butter

Meal 2
2 servings Protein Shake

Meal 3
1lb Meat (usually turkey)
1lb steamed carrots
1/2 cup steamed rice
1/2 serving Protein Shake

Meal 4
2 servings Protein Shake

Meal 5
4 Golden Delicious Apples with peanut butter
2 Bananas (I go to the gym when I'm done with this)

After Gym
2 servings Protein Shake

Meal 6
1lb Meat (usually turkey but steak is cool)
1lb steamed carrots
1/2 cup steamed rice
1 baked potato
1/4lb 3 cheese ravioli

Sometimes at night I'll snack on something like Good-n-Plenty's, but it depends how I feel and what's on TV. I've never touched steroids or prohormones as my body produces ample testosterone on its own. :hump:

MonStar
07-07-2002, 12:27 AM
Thats cool JV thanks for the description. How old are you man?

MonStar
07-07-2002, 12:50 AM
By the way I replied to your post in my journal.

Also I think you should posts pics man! What is your bf% like?

chris mason
07-07-2002, 06:09 AM
Now wait just a second. You have gone in one training session from 5 reps with 250 lbs (or so) to 3 reps with 405 lbs on the bench press? If I were to believe you capable of 3 reps with 405, I would still be unable to believe that you went from using 250 lbs for over a month to 405 lbs. The weight would feel like a ton of bricks. Your nervous system would have de-acclimated from using heavy weights for low reps, and the 405, even if it was relatively easy before, would be almost impossible. That is unless the 405 was really easy before. If that were the case, I assume you would have mentioned your prodigious strength in your response when I questioned your claim of a relatively lean 290 lbs at 6' in height, which you did not.

The_Chicken_Daddy
07-07-2002, 06:49 AM
What is your bf%?

MonStar
07-07-2002, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by chris mason
Now wait just a second. You have gone in one training session from 5 reps with 250 lbs (or so) to 3 reps with 405 lbs on the bench press? If I were to believe you capable of 3 reps with 405, I would still be unable to believe that you went from using 250 lbs for over a month to 405 lbs. The weight would feel like a ton of bricks. Your nervous system would have de-acclimated from using heavy weights for low reps, and the 405, even if it was relatively easy before, would be almost impossible. That is unless the 405 was really easy before.

This is pretty much what I was thinking. Good post chris I cant figure out if some of this sh!t is BS or not.


If that were the case, I assume you would have mentioned your prodigious strength in your response when I questioned your claim of a relatively lean 290 lbs at 6' in height, which you did not.

JV youre 290 lbs.? :eek::eek:

What is your bf% like?

chris mason
07-07-2002, 09:26 AM
He said that he used an unreliable calculator that showed him to be at 21%. He also stated that he had a 4 pack at 290 lbs, which would indicate he is far from fat.

I don't know this guy, and his claims are possible, but as you all know, I state my opinion when things people say on this site don't add up.

MonStar
07-07-2002, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by chris mason
He said that he used an unreliable calculator that showed him to be at 21%. He also stated that he had a 4 pack at 290 lbs, which would indicate he is far from fat.

I don't know this guy, and his claims are possible, but as you all know, I state my opinion when things people say on this site don't add up.

Yeah I know. And I hope now Johnny Vegas know this too.

MonStar
07-07-2002, 09:30 AM
.. But realistically 6' 290 lbs. with abs and all natural. Almost 20" arms. Little insane for a natural dont you think? :eek::eek:

Johnny Vegas
07-07-2002, 11:01 AM
Now wait just a second. You have gone in one training session from 5 reps with 250 lbs (or so) to 3 reps with 405 lbs on the bench press?

Actually, I went from 25 reps at 250 to 3 reps at 405. As I stated in another thread, my previous cycle was performed with almost no rest between sets and very little rest between exercises. When I completed 5 reps and rested the bar, I took enough time to crack my knuckles and start the next set. Is it really that hard to believe?


If that were the case, I assume you would have mentioned your prodigious strength in your response when I questioned your claim of a relatively lean 290 lbs at 6' in height, which you did not.

If I recall the other thread correctly, you questioned that I weighed 290 but was only deadlifting 300 pounds 5 times. I stated then, as I've reiterated here, that I was doing 300 for 25 reps, and as stated a number of times in my journal, my back poses a weak point for me.


What is your bf%?

The electronic handheld device at the gym said I was in the 20% range. Take that for as accurate as you will, I realize it's not an accurate reading and don't stand by it.

Sorry to have to edit, I left out an answer. IronMan, as of March this year I am 25 years old.

chris mason
07-07-2002, 04:30 PM
You stated that you were resting for 30 seconds between sets, which is more than ample time to recover quite a bit. So, performing 5 sets of 5 x 250 with 30 seconds rest is not nearly as impressive as 405 x 3. I will also restate the fact that when one goes from training with lighter weights and limited rest to heavy low rep training, the nervous system takes a while to acclimate. So again, unless you were handling 405 easily before your last month of training, 405 is tough to believe jump. The two types of training are completely different, completely.

Johnny Vegas
07-07-2002, 11:39 PM
Did I miss something where we established what I was benching before my current routine and I missed it? While I have lurked for months, my first postings here began when I started my overtraining cycle. That doesn't imply that I began training when I started posting here. I was benching over 300 in high school when the only guidance on working out I had came from the gym teacher/football coach. And the only things he ever told me were:
a) go out for football next year, and
b) the key is to lift hard every day of the week like the pros do.

That being said, I'd like to believe I'm a "student of the game." I read, I experiment, and most importantly, I learn. And besides being a large person naturally (I spent most of my life a very unmotivated 250 pounds), I think I have applied my learnings to my body very effectively.

chris mason
07-08-2002, 03:44 PM
You have not established it, which is odd to me. I find it odd because when I asked you about your lifts relative to your size, you only answered by stating that your are doing 250 (or whatever the exact amount was) pounds for a certain number number of repetitions while resting 30 seconds between sets. If you were capable of 405 plus for reps, it would stand to reason, to me at least, that you would have pointed this out to me and everyone else at the time. The fact that you did not further confuses me.

Johnny Vegas
07-08-2002, 07:10 PM
Why is it odd? Would it make what I say any more credible if I opened all posts with, "I can bench 430 as my 1RM."? Would you expect any response other than, "You're an idiot." if you did? For that matter, does it lend credibility to anything I say if I use "I can bench 405 three times."?

Anyone can say anything they want, I simply choose to converse sensibly rather than throw out numbers and think that makes me a leading authority on something. In fact, when people have come here and said things like, "I was Mr Canada so I know everything." that member gets jumped on and everyone's instant response is "You're an idiot." So you tell me, what's a better approach?

chris mason
07-08-2002, 07:23 PM
Or they make claims like they have a 4 pack at 290 lbs and 6' in height... Then they say they have arms which "nearly" measure 20", and they are completely natural, and they could have taken the "easy" road and done steroids to get where they are. Need I go on? By the way, if you are 290 at 6' you better have some friggin 20" guns.

I will not comment any further unless you make claims I do not believe, then I will state my thoughts. I hope you will note that I do not do this just to pick on you, or anyone else. In the training thread about shoulders I backed up your point. My comments are reactions to yours (your comments) on an individual basis. I think people sometimes don't realize that about me.

Johnny Vegas
07-08-2002, 07:40 PM
I take no offense at all.

MonStar
07-08-2002, 09:23 PM
Johnny Vegas:

I am wondering man about your training. You said you would help me out with a program after I got off of HST. Well, I am off. So now I need your help. Youre doing a compound, assistance, overtraining, and normal cycle. Would you recommend me doing something like this or what?

Please help me out man. I am looking to drop some bodyfat while gaining some size. I want to stick to training every other day. Is this goin to be a problem? Which cycle should I start out with?

Johnny Vegas
07-08-2002, 09:40 PM
I'd be happy to help you out. My first suggestion would be to gather up all your workout posts from all of your journals that are still online. This will help us identify what works for your body so we can figure out a routine(s). Things we'd be looking for would be trends as to what would qualify to your body as overtraining, etc.

It will also be helpful for you to come up with your personal stats for the last 6-12 months. This way we can identify and compare where you've seen the best size gains along the lines of your strength gains.

We can both gather training info from your journals, and if you can put together your personal stats, we should be able to start working on it tomorrow.

MarshallPenn
07-08-2002, 09:41 PM
Oh my god.

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 09:25 AM
Day 5 (1)

Felt great working out with rest again. I really enjoy this cycle.

Flat BB Bench
7x370, 6x370, 3x405
Incline DB Press
8x110, 3x110 (held all for 5 seconds at the bottom)
Dips
6x+110, 3x+115

I have to give up incline db's. I tried holding reps at the bottom of my ROM for 5 seconds and I still tore through my reps. I'll look into that. On a side note, for folks interested, I sat down for about 5 minutes this morning with my friend trainer and took a few basic measurements. See the next post for those numbers.

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 09:43 AM
Folks have asked for measurements, so I sat down today to do that and here's what we came up with...

Arm: 19.75(l), 19.75(r)
Forearm: 14.5(l), 14.5(r)
Waist: 40
Thigh: 35(l), 35(r)
Chest: 52
Body Fat: 27% (handheld again)

ElPietro
07-09-2002, 09:43 AM
I'm confused on one thing here Johnny. You were experiencing big gains on your 5x5 every week out, and then switched things up and did 3x405 your first time out. I will not argue this as Chris has stated my own thoughts regarding your CNS. But what confuses me more now, is that your second time with the new rep scheme and you didn't get another rep out at 405? Your CNS should have made a great leap in adaptation allowing you to get at least 4 or 5 reps out if you did do 3 reps the previous time.

Just curious.

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 09:49 AM
I very well could have, I simply didn't try. I started to decline on my second set and felt I'd better stick with last session's weight.

MarshallPenn
07-09-2002, 09:59 AM
Johnny are you powerlifting, or just enjoy weightlifting? In other words, why keep your BF% so high?

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 10:10 AM
I lift for fun mostly. I don't compete in anything because I think it really takes away from the fun of it. Perhaps someday I'll work at trimming down.

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 11:01 AM
I have very strong reservations about posting this picture, but here goes.

MarshallPenn
07-09-2002, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
I lift for fun mostly. I don't compete in anything because I think it really takes away from the fun of it. Perhaps someday I'll work at trimming down.

That's cool, fun is good. It's just that it's not too healthy to be the size that you are now, and it may have adverse affects on your hormones as well, therefore being possibly counterproductive to your strength goals.

BTW - Your arm looks poorly photoshopped in that picture, and it looks about 25" large. Other than that, why the reservation about posting it?

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 11:46 AM
BTW - Your arm looks poorly photoshopped in that picture, and it looks about 25" large. Other than that, why the reservation about posting it?

At least you're subtle with your insults, however baseless they may be. And I don't like the idea of pictures running around the internet.

MonStar
07-09-2002, 11:51 AM
Pic looks pretty good JV. It does seem to look a litte computer generated though. Post a few more bro and maybe we can get a better look at how big your arms really are.

MarshallPenn
07-09-2002, 11:52 AM
1) Don't worry about the pic. If it's even you, nobody could ever tell - there is no face attached! What are you worried about.

2) The photoshop comment is not an insult. Baseless?

Your arm looks ridiculously huge, but it has blurry areas across the entire biceps, and especially as it meets the forearm. Plus, a large black line running around the entire triceps area that doesn't look like shadow to me. Your right arm appears to be much smaller as well. Lastly, your forearm, which I assume is at least 12-13" could easily fit twice in the area of your upper arm, so that's why I say it looks 25".

If it's not photoshopped, don't be offended. If anything take it as a compliment to how big your arm is.

Blood&Iron
07-09-2002, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas


At least you're subtle with your insults, however baseless they may be. And I don't like the idea of pictures running around the internet.
I take people at their word, and even if they're making claims that seem improbable, I still do. I don't care if someone's stronger or bigger than me, nor am I bothered if someone is lying about their strength/physique(I'm not implying you are). I just don't care. That said, I have to agree with Marshall that the pic look likes it's been altered in Photoshop. I'd suggest posting a different one if you want to quiet those who disbelieve your claims.

Alex.V
07-09-2002, 12:02 PM
Bullsh*t stops now. Johnny, I have no preconceived notions as to whether or not you are 100% on the level. If you're worried about people not believing all of what you say, then please do post another picture, in the gym preferably. But it's your call. if you don't give a flying f*ck, then tell everyone to go eat it. This is silly. Live and let live. If you feel like it's important you have credibility, then earn it. Post pics, keep listing progression. If you feel like it doesn't matter, then ignore everybody and just keep on lifting.

MonStar
07-09-2002, 12:08 PM
I agree Johnny post another pic.

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 12:12 PM
If you feel like it's important you have credibility, then earn it. Post pics, keep listing progression. If you feel like it doesn't matter, then ignore everybody and just keep on lifting.

Well said. If anything I've posted to this board is unintelligent, I would expect to be tossed aside. The pic was simply to appease the appetites of the folks who have been supportive.

That being said, and to entertain the masses, here is one final shot.

MonStar
07-09-2002, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
Well said. If anything I've posted to this board is unintelligent, I would expect to be tossed aside. The pic was simply to appease the appetites of the folks who have been supportive.

That being said, and to entertain the masses, here is one final shot.

I hate to say this but that one looks photoshop generated too. Maybe post a few more straight on like a front double biceps.

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 12:17 PM
I think those are both fine. If the way I present myself here, combined with my lifting stats don't provide enough backing, then no amount of pictures I take here are going to assist.

I guess I'm confused. What did you guys think 19 3/4" arms would look like on a 6' body?

Blood&Iron
07-09-2002, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
I think those are both fine. If the way I present myself here, combined with my lifting stats don't provide enough backing, then no amount of pictures I take here are going to assist.

I guess I'm confused. What did you guys think 19 3/4" arms would look like on a 6' body?
It's not the size of the arm that has me doubting, but the distortions/blurriness in the image. Regular photographs do not look this this unless they've been altered.

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 12:25 PM
If anyone has drivers or ideas how to sharpen images from an IBM USB webcam, I'd be more than happy to try to sharpen them up. I will not, however, be taking more photos.

MarshallPenn
07-09-2002, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
I think those are both fine. If the way I present myself here, combined with my lifting stats don't provide enough backing, then no amount of pictures I take here are going to assist.

I guess I'm confused. What did you guys think 19 3/4" arms would look like on a 6' body?

Johnny, I have no problem with your lifting stats, etc. I only pointed out the photo thing b/c it appeared so obvious. Other than that I agree with Belial's thought on the whole thing.

To answer your question though, your arm looks significantly bigger than Arnold's arm (at a height of 6'2") and his arm measured 19.75 or even more when pumped.

Your arm *should* look smaller than his in relation to your torso, since the rest of your torso is, I would guess, larger than his. (You are a somewhat fatty 290 lbs vs. Arnold being a lean 230 lbs. Fat is less dense than muscle, so it's safe to say your torso size is much bigger than his).

What we see though is the opposite, your arms look HUGE in comparison to your torso, and look like they would measure out to 25"+. I am reminded of Greg Valentino here.

People are making the photoshop comments for the reasons I pointed out on the previous page. The weird black lines running around the outside, and the bluriness of the arms compared to your jeans, which are rather sharp and focused.

Other than that, don't worry about it. You know the truth and that should be good enough. Perhaps we're all off base here with our observations.

MonStar
07-09-2002, 12:41 PM
Yeah if they really are your arms then thats great. I too am reminded very much so of Greg Valentino though.

Keep up the hard work.

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 01:19 PM
The weird black lines running around the outside, and the bluriness of the arms compared to your jeans, which are rather sharp and focused.

Oh my. The weird black lines, if you'll look a little closer, will reveal themselves to be hair. I'm sort of a hairy fellow. As for the rest, I must be missing something.

chris mason
07-09-2002, 01:30 PM
tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut


Who exactly are you, and what are you trying to pull?


I'm gonna give you a little advise Mr. Vegas, start being straight with us.

If you want to get some idea of what a 19" arm should look like on a 6' body, look at my recently posted picture of my arm. I am 5'11", my arm is a little over 18", I weigh about 75 lbs less than you claim to, and my arm looks nothing like that thing you posted.

First your words don't add up, then you post b.s. pics like that.



tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut

I will comment no further as you have now made your own bed to lie in (pun intended).

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 01:34 PM
I seem to have stepped on some egos inadvertently.

MonStar
07-09-2002, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by chris mason
tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut tuttut

Who exactly are you, and what are you trying to pull?

I'm gonna give you a little advise Mr. Vegas, start being straight with us.

If you want to get some idea of what a 19" arm should look like on a 6' body, look at my recently posted picture of my arm. I am 5'11", my arm is a little over 18", I weigh about 75 lbs less than you claim to, and my arm looks nothing like that thing you posted.

First your words don't add up, then you post b.s. pics like that.

I will comment no further as you have now made your own bed to lie in (pun intended).

:D:D Chris has spoken haha. I had a feeling that this was coming soon. Johnny your stats dont seem to add up - nor does your arm measurement. Your pic looks completely photogenerated. Fess up man.

The_Chicken_Daddy
07-09-2002, 01:38 PM
Johnny, i believe it's your arm and not photoshopped, but i also believe that you're push the **** out of your arm against your torso and so it's looking like that.

Take a proper shot.

The_Chicken_Daddy
07-09-2002, 01:39 PM
Although that first one does look suspiciously altered.

MonStar
07-09-2002, 01:40 PM
Exactly JV. There is no reason you shouldnt give us a front double biceps pose. If someone accused me of posting computer generated pics I would take a million shots to be prove them wrong. Not shrug my shoulders and say "I am not posting anymore pics." Thats ridiculous.

Blood&Iron
07-09-2002, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by lronMan
Exactly JV. There is no reason you shouldnt give us a front double biceps pose. If someone accused me of posting computer generated pics I would take a million shots to be prove them wrong. Not shrug my shoulders and say "I am not posting anymore pics." Thats ridiculous.
Personally, I can understand this. If I posted un-altered photos and someone questioned them(Yes, fat chance, I know) I'd probably say 'Oh well. Good for you. I don't care.' Really I don't quite see what the fuss is about. The photos definitely look altered to me, but who cares. If he's lying, does it hurt anybody? Are you going to evaluate his advice on the basis on these photos? It's not like you're going on a blind date with him or something.

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 01:47 PM
Johnny, i believe it's your arm and not photoshopped, but i also believe that you're push the **** out of your arm against your torso and so it's looking like that.

Of course it is, look at the crease I created near my armpit. The idea was people wanted to see if my arms were what I claimed, and now they're still absolved to disagree.


If someone accused me of posting computer generated pics I would take a million shots to be prove them wrong.

And folks would find a million more reasons to disbelieve and call me a liar. I think I'm going with Belial's advice at this point. If you can't handle it, read elsewhere. If I don't present an intelligent argument backed by solid evidence, read elsewhere.

Reinier
07-09-2002, 01:49 PM
your right pec is bigger than your left.
your arm IS overly blurry

Maki Riddington
07-09-2002, 04:14 PM
What does it matter? He's only fooling himself if he is in fact altering his pictures.
Anyone with half a brain would know if he is phoney.
If they fail to see this, then they're blind and it's their own fault.

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 04:41 PM
Insulting others to uplift yourself. Funny, I thought people grew past that. I'd love to hear your "superior" take on what about me is phoney.

Maki Riddington
07-09-2002, 04:42 PM
Well maybe I don't have half a brain?
I guess that is the question?

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 04:51 PM
Aside from chris mason blowing up his own ego and basically saying, "You can't be bigger than me, I don't like it." and unsubstantiated claims that my photos have been "photoshopped", nobody has made anywhere near a valid point as to what about me is "phoney." Then you start telling anyone who hasn't jumped on the "You're a liar" bandwagon that they have less than half a brain.

Is this the norm on this forum, insults and baseless accusations? When I was invited here it was introduced as an unbiased place to learn and share your learnings. And thus far I must say, the "lesser" members have been great. They debate and converse respectfully. But the members seen as "senior" or "moderators" seem driven by ego.

Whether you believe me or not, which is really inconsequential at this point, at least argue the point intelligently.

Maki Riddington
07-09-2002, 05:03 PM
Like I said, if I'm wrong then I'm guilty of being dumb in this case. Don't take it so personal. I'm sure your posts speak for themselves that you are a informative contributer. I have no ego to boost and no reputation to hold.

It's just that your pics look fishy.
I would be worried if people on this board blindly looked up to every person that posted big stats and a picture.

Johnny Vegas
07-09-2002, 05:07 PM
Like I said, if I'm wrong then I'm guilty of being dumb in this case. Don't take it so personal. I'm sure your posts speak for themselves that you are a informative contributer.


I would be worried if people on this board blindly looked up to every person that posted big stats and a picture.

Well said.

PowerManDL
07-09-2002, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
And thus far I must say, the "lesser" members have been great. They debate and converse respectfully. But the members seen as "senior" or "moderators" seem driven by ego.

I wouldn't make that blanket statement.

Not that I'm taking either side, because quite frankly, I don't give half a flying **** if your pics are real or not.

chris mason
07-09-2002, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
Aside from chris mason blowing up his own ego and basically saying, "You can't be bigger than me, I don't like it." and unsubstantiated claims that my photos have been "photoshopped", nobody has made anywhere near a valid point as to what about me is "phoney." Then you start telling anyone who hasn't jumped on the "You're a liar" bandwagon that they have less than half a brain.

Is this the norm on this forum, insults and baseless accusations? When I was invited here it was introduced as an unbiased place to learn and share your learnings. And thus far I must say, the "lesser" members have been great. They debate and converse respectfully. But the members seen as "senior" or "moderators" seem driven by ego.

Whether you believe me or not, which is really inconsequential at this point, at least argue the point intelligently.


You know, I had stopped commenting, but you chose to comment about me. No, I never said you cannot be bigger than me. Actually, it is quite easy to be bigger than me, many people are. There are also many stronger people. I have never had a problem with Yates, and he is quite a bit larger than me. So, your response makes no logical sense.

I feel your photos are bogus because I know what a 19.75" arm would look like on a 6' tall frame. In fact, I myself had a 19.5" arm at one time. The arm in those photos, regardless if it is pushed against the body, looks to be in the 23+" range. In fact, the arms look bigger than the upper legs in the photos, legs which you have stated measure 35". Those photos are bogus, plain and simple. Period. 100%. End of story.

You have also made statements about your training which make no logical sense, and don't ask me to explain, as you seem prone to do, because I already have. In fact, you never answered in a logical fashion the accusation that your recent switch in poundages makes no sense. My point in this regard is valid, and logical, so once again you are incorrect.

If you wish to respond, feel free. I will not respond again unless you choose to make invalid accusations.

Magnus
07-09-2002, 05:59 PM
Mr. Vegas -

1. The pictures look fake (blurry, lines, etc.)
2. That doesn't look like a 19.75" arm

With the exception of a few people whose ego might have been insulted, everyone else simply has been pointing out these two obversations. If you want to remedy the situation, give us a another pic (hopefully real ;) ) so everyone can see your guns. If you choose not to, who really cares?

For the record, Magnus measured an 18" arm on a 5-6 guy last week, and "your" arm in both those pics looks absurdly larger than his in proportion to your 6-0 frame. Also you weigh more for your size (290 to 195) than he does, so again the arm should look SMALLER not larger. Those are the issues...Magnus has spoken.

Johnny Vegas
07-10-2002, 10:23 AM
Day 6 (2)

I managed to spike myself on the course this morning somewhere just after the 5th green. Would have been fine except it started bleeding again at the gym and my sock was red by the time I left.

Squats
7x405, 6x405, 3x455
Leg Press
8x900, 3x1200
SLDL
6x300, 6x300

Leg Press feels ridiculous, but it's neat having plates stacked on all 3 posts while doing them. Didn't improve much on squats like I'd hoped, but that's life.

MonStar
07-10-2002, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
Squats
7x405, 6x405, 3x455

Jeez youre killing me on squats man. I got 425 for 6 and thought I was something special. Then you go and squat 455 for 3. :eek::eek:

How far down do you go?

Johnny Vegas
07-10-2002, 12:28 PM
6x425 is a hell of a set. I go pretty low, well below parallel, but I've seen guys go lower. I don't know that my knees would appreciate going "ass to the floor."

MarshallPenn
07-10-2002, 12:32 PM
Well below parallel IS ass to the floor.

MonStar
07-10-2002, 12:45 PM
:eek::eek: I go to parallel like exactly 90 degrees and I cant imagine going any lower.

Johnny Vegas
07-10-2002, 12:53 PM
The one knowledgable trainer at my gym watched me do squats one day, as I was barely reaching parallel. He told me to shed 90 pounds and go below parallel. It was amazing. Like night and day. Ever since I've done them that way. My gains have been slower, but I feel like I'm doing a much better job on my legs.

Blood&Iron
07-10-2002, 02:57 PM
Since discussions of form/ROM crop up so regularly, I think it'd be really interesting--and this is directed at no one in particular--if people would post series of photos of how them performing their exercises(with the weights being posted in the journal). Not as proof of the lift or anything, but because it be interesting to see how one's perception of form and others' perceptions differ(In my case as well). There was an interesting series of photos of Casey Viator--of HIT fame--performing the squat(albeit with very little weight) that was posted on another site and it was fascinating to see how some people thought he was going too low and letting his back round, while others thought the form used was perfect. Just a thought.

smalls
07-10-2002, 05:32 PM
Funny that you mention it B&I, I took pictures last week when I did a whole body routine and was going to post them to have people critique my form. I only have a few pics, and I was going to wait and get some more, but I think if I can scan them at my girls house and figure out how to link them I will try to do it tonight. Check out my journal to tell me I am a girly man. (and to help me improve in any way possible).

Johnny Vegas
07-11-2002, 02:42 PM
Since discussions of form/ROM crop up so regularly, I think it'd be really interesting--and this is directed at no one in particular--if people would post series of photos of how them performing their exercises(with the weights being posted in the journal). Not as proof of the lift or anything, but because it be interesting to see how one's perception of form and others' perceptions differ(In my case as well).

Interesting idea. I would feel a little goofy asking some stranger at the gym to photograph me lifting weight, but I could handle that if it meant either correcting my own form or helping others correct theirs.

Johnny Vegas
07-12-2002, 10:24 AM
Day 7 (3)

Today was a good day. I felt well, weights moved well.

Seated Side Lateral Raises
6x45, 6x45
Upright Rows
8x165, 6x175
Seated Side Lateral Raises
4x50, 3x55
Tricep Pushdown
8x150, 8x150
Skullcrushers
6x145, 6x145

Tricep pushdowns is stacked at 150, so I'm going to have to change that exercise. Otherwise I felt I lifted really well.

Johnny Vegas
07-15-2002, 10:26 AM
Day 8 (4)

Worked hard today considering I had a nasty headache. Everythng I did seemed to be painful.

Deadlifts
6x350, 6x350, 3x380
Wide-grip Pullups
6x+110, 5x120
Dumbbell Rows
8x110, 8x110

Nobody ever said this workout stuff was going to be difficult, I'm filing a complaint. haha

Johnny Vegas
07-16-2002, 10:30 AM
Day 9 (1)

Finally, a day without problems. I felt good. I've been eating like a hog, and the extra energy was apparent.

Flat BB Bench
8x370, 7x375, 3x410
Incline DB Flies
7x95, 3x100
Dips
6x+120, 3x+125

I changed my incline press to incline flies to change things up a bit and they were fun. My dips are doing well I guess, considering I do them last. Bench was great today. I'm discovering more interesting things about myself. When I begin to plateau on this cycle I'm going to begin a new cycle with a new split, doing a 2-day HST-style split. The main idea behind it will be giving deadlifts a day of their own. But this is all for future posting.

MonStar
07-16-2002, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
Flat BB Bench
8x370, 7x375, 3x410
Incline DB Flies
7x95, 3x100
Dips
6x+120, 3x+125

Amazing strength JV. Keep up the hard work. :thumbup::thumbup:

Flat BB press strength is out of this world, along with incline fly strength. Curious what angle is your incline bench on for flyes?

Johnny Vegas
07-16-2002, 11:25 AM
Curious what angle is your incline bench on for flyes?
Good question. It is greater than 45 degrees, but there are no markings to denote the exact angle.

Alex.V
07-16-2002, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Johnny Vegas
The main idea behind it will be giving deadlifts a day of their own.


:thumbup:

ElPietro
07-16-2002, 11:28 AM
I don't understand how you can bench more than you can deadlift. :confused:

Johnny Vegas
07-16-2002, 11:36 AM
I don't understand how you can bench more than you can deadlift.

I have a weak back, as I've complained in the past. Getting the weight off the floor is no problem, getting my back straight and my upper body upright is a real problem. I'm going to remedy this by giving deadlifts their own day so I can knuckle down and focus.

chris mason
07-16-2002, 12:24 PM
One last comment on the incongruity of things. You claim to weigh 290 lbs. You also claim to perform wide grip chins for 5 reps with your bodyweight plus 120 lbs. So, you are able to chin 410 lbs for 5.

I don't believe it.

Johnny Vegas
07-16-2002, 12:48 PM
I don't believe it.

Ummm.....darn?

Songsangnim
07-17-2002, 04:49 AM
I think Mr. Mason's problem is your claim, that you can chin more than you can bench press, more than you can deadlift, and roughly about the same as you can squat. Furthermore you claim to have a weak back. Call me a idiot, but I don't see how you can chin about the same as you can squat (especially with a weak back). How exactly do you do these chins? All the way up and down, or something else?

MonStar
07-17-2002, 07:27 AM
:eek::eek: Chinning with 410 lbs..?> Damn thats f*cking insane. I thought that chinning with 250-300 lbs. was a ton let alone chinning with 410 lbs. Damn.

Johnny Vegas
07-17-2002, 10:28 AM
Day 10 (2)

Not too bad today, if I may say so. I slept a little less than usual, maybe that had something to do with it.

Squats
8x405, 7x410, 3x460
Leg Press
8x990, 3x1200
SLDL
6x310, 5x310

Squats are doing well, leg press is still hilarious, and SLDL are slowly improving every week. Tomorrow is an off day. I'll probably play lots of golf and let the hot sun drain my life. I love California, but damn the sun.

Johnny Vegas
07-19-2002, 09:53 AM
Day 11 (3)modified

So I decided to do deadlifts by themselves starting today.

Deadlifts
6x350, 12x280, 5x355, 1x400, 6x340

Just threw out some random weirdness today. Felt good, felt tough. I don't know what I'm going to do tomorrow fr back day without deadlifts. I'll probably be in and out in under 20 minutes.