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larsen540
12-02-2012, 08:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA-WXsMim20&feature=plcp

Chris Duffin competed yesterday and got hurt squating but came back and finished the meet. Incrediable.

joey54
12-02-2012, 08:40 AM
Impressive, but in my opinion extremely stupid. Here's to a speedy recovery and a healthy return to the platform.

Dank27
12-02-2012, 11:57 AM
Vid was removed

chris mason
12-02-2012, 07:14 PM
What did he injure?

Invain
12-03-2012, 08:20 AM
Impressive, but in my opinion extremely stupid. Here's to a speedy recovery and a healthy return to the platform.

I usually end up regretting it when I push myself too hard after an injury. Priorities are different when you're competing in a meet though; last time I competed I had a minor pec tear that I had thought would heal in time. I was in a fair amount of pain, but instead of taking a token light bench, I loaded up on ibuprofen and ended up hitting a personal meet PR. Stupid, yes, worth it, maybe.

larsen540
12-03-2012, 11:02 AM
Impressive, but in my opinion extremely stupid. Here's to a speedy recovery and a healthy return to the platform.

Joey it isnt stupid at all that took a ton of heart to do what he did not many have that anymore.

larsen540
12-03-2012, 11:03 AM
What did he injure?

He tore his abbductor Chris

larsen540
12-03-2012, 11:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoEJMEFJAYI&list=UL

New vid of it

Invain
12-03-2012, 11:43 AM
You guys think the fact that he squats so wide raw had something to do with that injury, considering what it was he tore?

joey54
12-03-2012, 01:34 PM
Joey it isnt stupid at all that took a ton of heart to do what he did not many have that anymore.

Not many have that period. Again, I stated it was impressive. And again , I feel it was really stupid to do.

Alex.V
12-03-2012, 01:35 PM
Given I've done the same thing, I don't think he exacerbated it much with the token conventional deadlift. Damn good for him- that is some serious pain to focus through.

joey54
12-03-2012, 01:36 PM
You guys think the fact that he squats so wide raw had something to do with that injury, considering what it was he tore?

It may have. That's a good observation for sure.

Justin Randal
12-03-2012, 03:52 PM
Impressive, but in my opinion extremely stupid. Here's to a speedy recovery and a healthy return to the platform.
What was so stupid about it to you? He put himself in no additional danger finishing the meet. Just because you wouldn't have the sack to continue doesn't make it stupid.

Kabuki
12-03-2012, 04:23 PM
Here is my reasons for completing the meet

http://blog.kabukiwarrior.com/2012/12/03/never-give-up.aspx

as for the squat stance. I don't let any raw lifters at my gym train this wide, but it doesn't mean there is additional risk for me doing so. i have some very specific reasons that allow me to do this successfully that I don't feel the need to discuss at this time. It tore as this was a preexisting injury I have been fighting for some time that was initiated from something other than squatting.

Chris Duffin

YoEJMEFJAYI

joey54
12-03-2012, 08:35 PM
What was so stupid about it to you? He put himself in no additional danger finishing the meet. Just because you wouldn't have the sack to continue doesn't make it stupid.

I would have gladly entertained your question until I read the last part.

Stonecutter
12-04-2012, 06:22 AM
Nice work man. Inspiring. Get well soon

joey54
12-04-2012, 08:16 AM
Justin, I did not call your friend stupid, I indicated I felt the action was stupid. There is a difference. You obviously cared enough to post an insult towards me, which I simply am not going to respond to. I enjoy the training videos you post here.

Justin Randal
12-04-2012, 11:39 AM
Justin, I did not call your friend stupid, I indicated I felt the action was stupid. There is a difference. You obviously cared enough to post an insult towards me, which I simply am not going to respond to. I enjoy the training videos you post here.

I still don't see what was so stupid about finishing the meet. You could make an argument for having taken the squat in the first place but what we do is inherantly dangerous to begin with. Taking a bench with no leg drive and pulling 143 (Roughly the equivalent of curling a 5# DB) poses no physical threat other than a bit of pain. I just don't see how labeling the decision to continue as "Stupid" makes any sense at all. If anything I find his choice admirable.

Alex.V
12-04-2012, 11:46 AM
I think this is a case where it's "Do as I say not as I do". There's no chance in HELL I'd tell a guy who'd hurt himself like that to keep going. I also know there's no chance in hell I'd want to pack it in if it were me. Chris, mad credit to you for finishing what you started. Joey's got a point- you coulda made it a heck of a lot worse (potentially), but... hey. Every time we go out there and lift ANYTHING there's a chance we might not be walking afterwards. The mental consequences to not finishing were worse than the potential physical consequences of continuing on.

Cheers all.

larsen540
12-04-2012, 12:55 PM
Here is the deal you could get killed crossing the street. And I'm sure someone woukd post something saying that person is stupid. The fact is very few people get hurt and finish what they started. This will be a story that I tell my kids when they tell me they want to quit. Chris could have quit and no one would have said shit to him. The fact is he had a mind set to finish. You know how many times I have cut weight and wanted to quit. Ill tell you what I will read this next time I want to quit and I promise I won't quit.

So I'm sure it was stupid for micheal Jordan to at in a playoff game with the flu against Utah right. No he killed them that game. How bout las year when Ramon rondo broke his elbow and finished the game. How many athletes put it on the line to finish. Not very many people have that drive.

joey54
12-04-2012, 03:18 PM
Rajon Rondo. And Jordan was trolling everyone. Regardless, thanks for keeping the conversation civil. Alex seems to get what I am saying. Chris stated in the video he is a leg drive bencher. So now the lift changes and perhaps he uses a bit more pecs than usual which causes a torn pec. I know deadlifting 143 lbs likely won't be dangerous, but people have thrown out their backs picking up a pencil from the floor. It looked like even that weight was painful as hell. So, now there is little leg strength at all and maybe a disc in the back is one wrong move from blowing out. So, while exacerbating the current injury might not be likely, there seemed to be some potential, or an increased potential to hurt something else. To me it comes down to risk versus reward. There doesn't seem to be much of a reward of needing people carry me out to lift weights not even near my max just to be able to say the meet was finished. Stopping after that squat, immediately attending to the injury, treating it, and rehabbing to come back in the future to do a meet where one would exceed their previous total isn't quitting. It would be......smart.

:)

Justin Randal
12-04-2012, 06:39 PM
Joey,

Firstly I apologize for insulting you. Chris is a dear friend and seeing him get injured was very upsetting for me.

That being said I still admire his will to finish and assure you he was in no more danger finishing than the rest of us. Like Adrian said we all take risks daily. Let's just agree to disagree here..

joey54
12-05-2012, 04:45 AM
Accepted and I appreciate the reasons you guys have for your opinion as well. They do make sense and I can certainly see where you are coming from. I agree the quality of not giving up is definitely an admirable one.

Kabuki
12-05-2012, 03:43 PM
Had the MRI this morning and just read the report. AWESOME NEWS!!! Its a partial tear, no avulsion, no ruptures, looks like my quick exit formt he bar saved me from surgery. Time to get it on with rehab!

Alex.V
12-05-2012, 03:44 PM
Good to hear it, man! Looks like it could have been a hell of a lot worse than that!

Jonathan E
12-05-2012, 04:40 PM
Had the MRI this morning and just read the report. AWESOME NEWS!!! Its a partial tear, no avulsion, no ruptures, looks like my quick exit formt he bar saved me from surgery. Time to get it on with rehab!

Haha I was thinking that you being in pain during the bench/deadlift is actually a positive thing in a twisted way. Had you full tore that baby completely you would've felt next to nothing afterwards! Cheers to getting better.

Tim K
12-06-2012, 07:34 AM
Had the MRI this morning and just read the report. AWESOME NEWS!!! Its a partial tear, no avulsion, no ruptures, looks like my quick exit formt he bar saved me from surgery. Time to get it on with rehab!

Great news! Heal quick! ..and just think, coming back from an injury, you'll have no trouble beating your last total! :D

Kabuki
12-06-2012, 08:56 AM
Not many have that period. Again, I stated it was impressive. And again , I feel it was really stupid to do.

I've held my tongue on this for a little bit. This is likely how Justin felt when he posted his response as well. Anyway, done holding my tongue.

I find your statement to be incredibly offensive as it implies that I have an inferior level of intelligence. That I am not able to provide as competent level of risk assessment while being in the situation, that you can provide by sitting at your computer with only a video.

For your information I also engaged in much higher risk behavior over the next 24hrs such as navigating back to my room, playing with my kids, and then packing the rig and the family for the trip home the next day. In fact I am still engaging in a daily activity that is of significantly higher risk for worsening the injury than completing the meet not to mention at least 10x the level of pain. Thatís sitting on a toilet and taking a ****. What is your recommended course of action in these events?

Since I am already putting together my own rehabilitation plan perhaps I should council with you as you must be more qualified than me here as well. Please detail your approach.

mike95763
12-06-2012, 09:08 AM
I watched that video and I have to admit that I thought Chris was a bit insane (in the good way that most of the best powerlifters are) to finish lifting. The kind of insanity it takes to push through the pain and finish with nothing on the line but pride is a kind of insanity that most people could to with a bit more of.

"Itís time to drag myself over to the bench press and say ďF--- You!Ē to everyone telling me to lie back on the floor with my garbage bag of ice. Letís get this on. I may not be winning, breaking records, or even setting PRís, but God Damn it Iím finishing what I started!!!"

That's the kind of attitude that gets people to the top in whatever they are doing. Thanks for sharing the inspiring post. I'm glad to hear that things are better than you thought. I hope you get back on the platform, and back to chasing that all time record soon.

joey54
12-06-2012, 10:27 AM
I've held my tongue on this for a little bit. This is likely how Justin felt when he posted his response as well. Anyway, done holding my tongue.

I find your statement to be incredibly offensive as it implies that I have an inferior level of intelligence. That I am not able to provide as competent level of risk assessment while being in the situation, that you can provide by sitting at your computer with only a video.

For your information I also engaged in much higher risk behavior over the next 24hrs such as navigating back to my room, playing with my kids, and then packing the rig and the family for the trip home the next day. In fact I am still engaging in a daily activity that is of significantly higher risk for worsening the injury than completing the meet not to mention at least 10x the level of pain. Thatís sitting on a toilet and taking a ****. What is your recommended course of action in these events?

Since I am already putting together my own rehabilitation plan perhaps I should council with you as you must be more qualified than me here as well. Please detail your approach.

So what's your point here Chris?

Jonathan E
12-06-2012, 11:24 AM
I've held my tongue on this for a little bit. This is likely how Justin felt when he posted his response as well. Anyway, done holding my tongue.

I find your statement to be incredibly offensive as it implies that I have an inferior level of intelligence. That I am not able to provide as competent level of risk assessment while being in the situation, that you can provide by sitting at your computer with only a video.

For your information I also engaged in much higher risk behavior over the next 24hrs such as navigating back to my room, playing with my kids, and then packing the rig and the family for the trip home the next day. In fact I am still engaging in a daily activity that is of significantly higher risk for worsening the injury than completing the meet not to mention at least 10x the level of pain. Thatís sitting on a toilet and taking a ****. What is your recommended course of action in these events?

Since I am already putting together my own rehabilitation plan perhaps I should council with you as you must be more qualified than me here as well. Please detail your approach.

If people wouldn't mind me butting in for a second:

Chris, looking back to as what Joey, Alex, and others posted when this argument was initially resolved: I think it can be seen that Joey was making that remark to benefit you, not to insult you. He said earlier he felt it was a "risk verses reward" thing, which is a valid point. If anything, he is trying to look out for a fellow powerlifter by giving his input on what he would've done differently. You also make a valid point by saying you felt ok doing the bench with no leg drive and then an easy deadlift. It reminds me of when I was at a football combine at the NFL hall of fame in Ohio when I severely strained my hamstring. I tried to keep on going for a few more drills because thats just the type of person I am. However, my father convinced me continuing the drills I was doing will just hurt me more. (It took a A LOT of convincing). Risking the season ahead was not worth it in the long run looking back on it even though I was upset when I left for a few weeks. I know your situation is a tad different, but same morale to the story. Had I continued, some would find it admirable, others stupid. Point is: others will see this type of thing differently so try not to take it in a negative manner. When it comes down to it people on here and powerlifting for that manner in general want to support each other especially when it comes to injuries. Best of luck to you.

mastermonster
12-20-2012, 10:21 AM
Here's my take: We think too much and act too little in this society! I think our society is losing the value of admiring guts and fotitude in people's actions. The new thinking seems to be 'play it safe', 'never take a risk'. They think it's foolish too risk an injury to get your goal whatever that goal is. Well, I admire someone who decides it's woth it to them to 'go for broke'! Is it foolish and condemnable behavior for a fireman to run into a building and try to save someone from a fire. Maybe, but we look at him as a hero. Now this is on a much less dramatic level but it is still (in my opinion) heroic when an athlete 'risk it' too finish what he started. If, you are truely a competitor at heart; it can be much more damaging and painful to live with quitting in a competition than to live with even the worsening of an injury but still fighting to finish. In febuary I squated 830 at 56 YO to take the all-time single ply >50 squat record (#1 >40 308 squat). Warming up for bench I really screwed up my lower back aching up on the bench. Had to get help getting on and off the bench. I did a 500 BP (100 off my planned BP) and 575 extremely painful DL. (About 60 lbs. off my planed DL) 1905 was still good enough to be #1 308 >40 total for the year. But I'd wanted mid 2000s. Was I disappointed? A little. But not as much as I was proud of myself for fighting through it to get the best total I could still put together. Did I pay for it? Hell yes. I just now finished (I hope) my last epidural spinal injection and am just now pain free since then. Was it worth it to me? Hell yes! You have precious few moments in life where you feel what I felt that day. The crowd and the other lifters were rallying behind me and it felt awesome. It and 2 other meets in 12 years will always top my memories in powerlifting (even if I never make it back) ...but don't bet against me. I'd relive that day again in a heartbeat for that feeling and that memory. Am I crazy or stupid? To many today, absolutely! But to many others who think like I do...not at all. To my mind I'd have been crazy to quit and let that amazing day in my life slip away...I was holding on to it tight with both hands and haven't regretted it since. So, as you may have guessed I totally admire what Chris did!