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Travis Bell
04-29-2013, 08:31 PM
I don't know why it is but I HATE training biceps. I just dont care.

What is your approach to training biceps, if at all?

I see the merit in training them to avoid injury in deadlifting or even benching, but how far do you take it?

Specific isolation movements or just lots of rowing stuff?

Forearm strength is one thing I've had to pay attention to more specifically to avoid injury, although maybe that's from a bicep weakness? Who knows lol.

MarcusWild
04-29-2013, 09:11 PM
I curl on bench days. It seems to keep me from getting elbow tendonitis. Besides, my arms are small enough as it is. I always have to get the sleeves on bench shirts made smaller.

tcooper
04-30-2013, 04:52 AM
i have a specific arm day where i train bi's and tri's. My routines are a lot more volume and less weight which works well for me. Tendinitis seems to kick in when I start using more weight less volume

J_Byrd
04-30-2013, 07:28 AM
The day after I bench, I come in and do some stretching, foam rolling, all that kind of stuff. Then I do a few sets of hammer curls. I normally do them seated to put less strain on my back because I squat the following day. Might do a few seats of preacher curls for the heck of it. Then I hit some rear delt stuff and go home. Normally about an hr workout, just try to get blood moving. I have always thought hammer curls helped me control the bench some.

vdizenzo
04-30-2013, 09:15 AM
I always hated training biceps and did it rarely. Since the complete rupture and repair of the left and partial of the right, I realized I need to train them. If I don't get a couple sets of work a few days a week, my biceps are in bad repair.

KevinStarke
04-30-2013, 10:11 AM
I do a few sets of DB hammer curls a week usually on bench days to keep my elbows healthy and happy. Other than that I feel they get worked more than enough on my rowing movements.

Invain
04-30-2013, 10:59 AM
I work them like most other muscle groups. 2x a week, usually 1 or 2 exercises. I rotate between heavy barbell curls and higher volume db curls. I'll even do some ME stuff like 3 rep max with barbell curl just as I would with something like bench or squat.

A) No matter how much you want to deny it, the first thing women look at are your arms
B) I've seen too many bicep rupture videos

Stumprrp
04-30-2013, 02:08 PM
i HATE...HATE training biceps. All i feel is a burn in my front delt and this is doing them strict with little weight. Ill do three sets of hammer curls for 12-20 reps at the end of a bench day. I probably should train them more because i have pathetically small arms.

joey54
04-30-2013, 04:28 PM
Will do 2 sets at the end of my upper body session, usually after or superseted with a tri exercise. Do chins which hit them on my overhead press day also.

gaz90
04-30-2013, 07:02 PM
6-10 sets once per week. always start with a hammer curl, then whatever exercise i think of after that.

dont understand how people dont like training biceps! not many people out there who dont want bigger arms...

Brian Hopper
04-30-2013, 07:34 PM
I'll do DB hammer curls on my bench days and curls (with a straight bar or EZ curl bar) on my accessory day. Nothing crazy, usually about 3-4 sets of 10-15 reps and done!

KevinStarke
04-30-2013, 09:44 PM
Most bicep hate is just a weird version of strength-hipster where its uncool to train them. I don't think a "bicep day" is ever necessary but stronger biceps can never hurt, and da womenz..

JasonLift
05-01-2013, 04:24 AM
I train them on my day for arms and hit them with 20-25 sets.

I think men notice other mens biceps more than women notice them hahaha.

44pirate
05-01-2013, 04:56 AM
I work my bi's on my ME and DE days with bench. I always do preacher curls with EZ bar inner and outer grips.

Judas
05-03-2013, 04:09 AM
Marcus mentioned it above, as did someone else, but i'm starting to think i should focus more on them just to stave off this REALLY fucking annoying elbow BS i've started to get the past year or so. I DONT want to become one ov those benchers that cant fully straighten out their arms, but thats what it feels like is happening. Too much tricep work possibly? There was little over a full year last year where i couldn't do ANY bicep work... due to screwy forearm tendons (injuries from another hell altogether). Thats about when all this started to happen. Hmmm...

I also know that before i hurt my forearms and did a LOT ov bicep work (to balance the tricep work), i was benching AS much, with 19.5" arms, and had ZERO elbow issues or grief. I think my arms are definitely big enough for now... so i skip out on the bicep work a lot now... but maybe i shouldn't...???



As for beginners and intermediate benchers, i think that biceps are important to train... for overall mass (mass moves weight), and bar control. I've always had big arms and my paused bench has always been very close to my touch and go.

dynamo
05-03-2013, 07:33 AM
I do reverse grip curls and hammer curls. I'm training my grip with my biceps being a secondary muscle group is what I tell myself. It makes it more palatable, plus my arms look good as a side benefit.

JK1
05-04-2013, 12:58 AM
i've learned the hard way that you have to train biceps. In the past I went for years and did nothing for them but heavy rows. The last year my right elbow (The one I f'd up the radial/lateral collateral ligament in) bothered me more and more and more. My right grip also got worse.

I realized that maybe working biceps would help both, so I added in lights sets of curls to warm up before bench and at least 4-5 sets once a week to finish (Usually dumbbell curls, keeping them light--60-70 lb dumbells, no more than 150-170 lbs with ez bar x sets of 12-15 or so) and really working on supinating, pronating my forearm as I'm curling with the dumbells. Since doing that and adding in specific extensor work, almost all forearm pain is gone. the elbow is still tender, but I've got full ROM back.

It is those little things that will make or break you.

Judas
05-04-2013, 02:53 AM
i've learned the hard way that you have to train biceps. In the past I went for years and did nothing for them but heavy rows. The last year my right elbow (The one I f'd up the radial/lateral collateral ligament in) bothered me more and more and more. My right grip also got worse.

Grip thing aside, this sounds like me. Only i only stopped training biceps because i had to. I hit them very hard my first 6 years.


I realized that maybe working biceps would help both, so I added in lights sets of curls to warm up before bench and at least 4-5 sets once a week to finish (Usually dumbbell curls, keeping them light--60-70 lb dumbells, no more than 150-170 lbs with ez bar x sets of 12-15 or so) and really working on supinating, pronating my forearm as I'm curling with the dumbells. Since doing that and adding in specific extensor work, almost all forearm pain is gone. the elbow is still tender, but I've got full ROM back.

It is those little things that will make or break you.

Light biceps BEFORE benching... Interesting...

KJDANEXT0
05-05-2013, 03:03 AM
I'm gonna start training biceps seriously when my shoulder heals up.

I trained them some times, but not enough and this shows on my arms now. My biceps are small and weak compared to my triceps. For anyone who likes close grip bench please train biceps as they're stressed more with the close grip and can lead to injury if weak.

I liked doing 2 sets of 5 heavy reps after my bench and row workout.

kingns
05-05-2013, 06:55 PM
On speed day superset de bench with it. So for 9 sets, I'll do a set of 8 reps or so, using a few exercises. I do a set of Bench, walk over do the curls, walk back and it's time for my next set.

On max effort day I superset my tricep work with biceps.

Travis Bell
05-05-2013, 07:53 PM
For those of you who are doing a significant amount of bicep work (more than once a week and multiple exercises) why?

Sometimes I feel that's the hardest part of being motivated to do them is outside of rehab and prehab they really don't help me.

Stumprrp
05-06-2013, 06:27 AM
I agree with Travis. I was sitting there doing rope curls yesterday saying to my partners "WTF is this doing for me?". Ill stick to pullups for biceps.

Invain
05-06-2013, 06:49 AM
For those of you who are doing a significant amount of bicep work (more than once a week and multiple exercises) why?


Because like any other muscle group, the more you work it, the more it will grow. My arms used to be pathetic until I started hitting bi's and tri's twice a week, with lots of volume.

Like I said in my earlier post, some of us care about appearance more than others. Powerlifting is my focus, but I still like to have a balanced physique. I guess I should say, I definitely do not lift weights for women, but I at least do curls for them, and from my experience, they appreciate it :)

JK1
05-06-2013, 11:48 PM
For those of you who are doing a significant amount of bicep work (more than once a week and multiple exercises) why?

Sometimes I feel that's the hardest part of being motivated to do them is outside of rehab and prehab they really don't help me.

We joke in the gym that the number one reason to do a lot of biceps work is to "make the bench shirt tighter". There is some truth in that.

Goll65
05-07-2013, 11:38 AM
I always hated training biceps and did it rarely. Since the complete rupture and repair of the left and partial of the right, I realized I need to train them. If I don't get a couple sets of work a few days a week, my biceps are in bad repair.

I tore my left bicep at the elbow last year. looking forward to deadlifting and benching again finally any advise from your experience you could give me?, or anything i could help you with its been hard to find people with this injury to talk to about it

SEOINAGE
05-07-2013, 12:24 PM
other than pull ups and rows, I started doing reverse curls with a band. It doesn't do much, but I do them maybe once a week, fairly light, higher reps, doesn't solve tendonitis problems but it feels slightly helpful, and takes minimal time as I do them between sets of something else I would be doing anyways.

Songsangnim
05-07-2013, 09:39 PM
I rarely train them directly. But I do do heavy rows and chins so maybe that's why my elbows have stayed relatively healthy (knock on wood)

Niko_El_Piko
05-12-2013, 09:17 PM
I always finish my upper body days training with curls. On ME I do Hammer Curls 3 x 8 and speed day IŽll go alternated dumbell curls for 3 sets x 10/12 reps.
I never train biceps the day before heavy squatting.

muscle_g
05-14-2013, 01:41 PM
I usually do 6-9 sets of biceps and triceps on my speed bench day. I'm always switching exercises to keep from getting bored.

luigisacs
05-22-2013, 02:21 PM
Does anyone see any correlation from upping their bicep strength to the conventional powerlifts? I've always bought into the "weak link" thinking, and didn't know if this was one of them.

JK1
05-22-2013, 04:39 PM
Does anyone see any correlation from upping their bicep strength to the conventional powerlifts? I've always bought into the "weak link" thinking, and didn't know if this was one of them.

Bench... you will see a definite carryover in bench depending on your build and bench technique.

Judas
05-23-2013, 05:29 AM
Bench... you will see a definite carryover in bench depending on your build and bench technique.

Yup... especially with the eccentric, the pause and overall control. Plus, mass moves weight, pure and simple. Maybe not mass on calves... but biceps? definitely.

JK1
05-25-2013, 12:04 PM
Yup... especially with the eccentric, the pause and overall control. Plus, mass moves weight, pure and simple. Maybe not mass on calves... but biceps? definitely.
You need calves for squats and deadlifts---for knee extension. Remember the gastroc crosses the back of the knee.

Judas
05-26-2013, 04:35 AM
You need calves for squats and deadlifts---for knee extension. Remember the gastroc crosses the back of the knee.

You know... theoretically, that makes sense. In practice... not so much. Just my own experience blows that idea out ov the water... in 7 years ov raw powerlifting... i've put 385lbs onto my squat... i've almost tripled my first-day squat max. In that time my quads have grown about 6". My calves (and consider the amount ov Olympic work i've done in this time... all VERY calf-heavy)... have grown a whopping 1/2". Now just go ahead and conjure up 100 pictures ov elite Olympic lifters... all ridiculous squatters... all with massive, often utterly mutated upper legs... and small calves. The ones that do have big calves were generally born with them.