why not hcg and/or clomid DURING the cycle?

[pearl]

i always thought it was a good idea to shot some hcg during the cycle, just to keep the test production up...
probably you will say is a waste of money since your pituitary is inhibated anyway, but i want to give it a try with my cycle(primo and winny inj)

the story with the atiestrogens i know, they shoot you inthe leg(i have a good friend who shot 1sus per day, and in 4 weeks he gained 4 kg, taking 2 tamoxifen per day) but all your advice is wellcomed.

[zwarrior99]

Many cycles run HCG in it with the gear. It works. Keeps the bola's in size. LOL. Suppose you are running gear wk1-8, you would use HCG on wk 3, wk 8

[Tadger]

I just see little point in spending the money on HCG. What is the point in using during the cycle? Sure, your test levels will be a bit higher, but it would be cheaper to just buy a bit more test than HCG.

If you were using gear with a longer halflife enanthate, cyp, etc... You should start the HCG immediately after your last injection. Run 500-1000IU EOD for 2-3 weeks. Then drop the dosage down to 500-1000IU twice/wk for 2-3 more weeks. Thats more than sufficient to take care of any testicular atrophy that may have occured during the cycle, and keeps your test levels up while your HPTA is being restored.

Now as far as running the antiestrogens during the cycle... try to limit their use. Clomid at 25mg/day should do you pretty well. That'll help keep your lipid levels in line, while providing some measure of gyno protection. It'll make recovery a might bit easier as well. I wouldn't recommend nolvadex... especially at 40mg/day. Nolvadex can dramatically inhibit IGF-1 production.

[zwarrior99]

taking anti-e's when it aint necessary is bad. They will inhibit your gains. I say just take them when you need them. The only anti-e that i might recommened to take during a whole cycle is liquidex.

[Tadger]

Arimidex or aromasin shouldn't cause much of a problem. Both Nolvadex and Clomid act as estrogen antagonists in breast tissue but as estrogen agonists in the liver. This can have a very beneficial effect on your lipid profile. If you're running winny and the like... your HDL count is gonna drop to 0 and LDL will hit 200+ pretty quickly. Clomid is a better alternative than nolvadex, as tamoxifen tends to suppress HGH secretion and conversion to IGF.

[zwarrior99]

agree with tadger good advice. :D

[Severed Ties]

Originally posted by pearl
i always thought it was a good idea to shot some hcg during the cycle, just to keep the test production up...
probably you will say is a waste of money since your pituitary is inhibated anyway, but i want to give it a try with my cycle(primo and winny inj)



It's all about cost, if you can afford to then do it. I always use arimidex, a low dose of clomid, and HCG every 4 weeks during a cycle.

ST

[Tadger]

I've talked to a few buddies that have been in the game for quite a while. They're not really all that in tune with the pharmacology or chemistry involved... but they've got their diet and training down... and have learned quite a bit just from trial and error. Both have said that it's much easier to grow with less gear if you're running arimidex. The nolvadex tends to really slow things down.

[pearl]

ok.
ok thanks for the advice.
there is no problem wiht price for me. hcg is pretty available for me
arimidex on the other hand is impossible to get, i would preffer that too...

anyway, can you give me some documentation about the nolva inhibiting GH to IGF-1 conversion?
it's a new thing for me.
i never trusted nolva besause is so cheap.
i always went for the clomid.

[Tadger]

Here ya go. (http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/search?volume=&firstpage=&author1=&author2=&titleabstract=&fulltext=tamoxifen+IGF&fmonth=Aug&fyear=1965&tmonth=Aug&tyear=2002&hits=10&sendit=Search&journalcode=jpet&fdatedef=1+August+1965&tdatedef=1+August+2002)

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

I used arimidex at 1mg ED and that hurt my gains in the beginning so I dropped it to 1mg EOD and it seems to be working alot better

[BUFF STUFF]

i get clomid alot cheaper than novla

[Brahms]

I don't want any testicle shrinkage so I'm currently running Clomid on a test/enanthate cycle. Is this totally necessary? What do you guys do?

[zwarrior99]

ya if you dont want nut shrinkage.

[pearl]

thanks for the link. i will try to digest it asap