Fina

[MEGAMAN]

I ordered Fina from my source......he wrote me back and said that it is no longer available....I want to replace it with a fast acting injectable with low sides.........any suggestions?

[BUFF STUFF]

deca or primlobolan if your worried about sides, but most of the bros on here would probly recomend sustanon250 or some injectabal test with some d-bol or winnie maybee

[Kayak_boy]

Deca...... no side effects?

You kidding?

[BUFF STUFF]

Originally posted by Kayak_boy
Deca...... no side effects?

You kidding?
i never said "no sides effects"

[Kayak_boy]

Good!;)

[Belial]

Depends what you wanted from the fina. What else is in your stack?

For strength without water, there aren't many alternatives.... but anavar and winny would come close. Of course, you said injectable which does limit your options. As far as I know, the only easily available gear with a propionate or other fast acting ester (forget acetate) is test...

So.... depends what you want. Test is, well, test.... You want fast acting, and honestly I think oral is the best route to go then. Halo will give you mad strength, but would be my third choice. Winny next up, topped by anavar if you have the wallet. And if you don't mind longer injectables... try EQ with a nice frontload.

[Kayak_boy]

What are the typical sides with Halo, Belial??

[Belial]

Androgenic as all hell, but probably no more so than fina really. It's 17-aa, so it has the negative effects on the liver. Information seems to be conflicting here, but per mg it's for some reason considered more toxic to the system.

From people I know that have taken it, they do report pretty damn good strength gains, almost like fina, but maybe not as much size. Again, all anecdotal. Never used it myself, but I'm curious about it. Supposedly causes serious aggression in some, as well.

[MEGAMAN]

Originally posted by Belial
Depends what you wanted from the fina. What else is in your stack?

For strength without water, there aren't many alternatives.... but anavar and winny would come close. Of course, you said injectable which does limit your options. As far as I know, the only easily available gear with a propionate or other fast acting ester (forget acetate) is test...

So.... depends what you want. Test is, well, test.... You want fast acting, and honestly I think oral is the best route to go then. Halo will give you mad strength, but would be my third choice. Winny next up, topped by anavar if you have the wallet. And if you don't mind longer injectables... try EQ with a nice frontload.

I was looking for a fast acting AAS to lead with in the beginning of my next cycle......My last cycle (which was my first) I used Sust...and Deca.....I ran a 7 week cycle......It was a waste because the long acting esters take that long just to kick in......so this time I thought I would stack fina in the first 3 or 4 weeks and run the sust for another 8 weeks......I am opposed to orals because of the potential sides and the effects on the liver....any thoughts?

[Kayak_boy]

Originally posted by Belial
Androgenic as all hell, but probably no more so than fina really. It's 17-aa, so it has the negative effects on the liver. Information seems to be conflicting here, but per mg it's for some reason considered more toxic to the system.

From people I know that have taken it, they do report pretty damn good strength gains, almost like fina, but maybe not as much size. Again, all anecdotal. Never used it myself, but I'm curious about it. Supposedly causes serious aggression in some, as well.

Thanks B.

So would acne be a big side here?

How about water retention?

[Belial]

Acne is pretty big with halo, but water retention almost nonexistent.

Megaman, sounds to me like your best option would be a heavy frontload. I'm not sure what dose of sust you plan on using, but if you double that for the first week or two you should begin to feel the effects much sooner.

Honestly, short of 17-aa orals, you don't have many options. Two other ideas: Oral primo (probably won't have much of an effect) or..... And don't laugh. 1-Test. Good stuff, from what I hear. Expensive as all get out, but if you frontload sust for weeks 1 and 2, and finish a bottle of 1-test in that time period as well, you'll probably get a pretty damn good start to your cycle. Just a thought. I know, prohormones. Bah. Though there's nothing "pro" or "precursor" ABOUT 1-test. It's active in the form you take it in.

Last option, run some extra test prop the first few weeks.

[Severed Ties]

Low side effects from fina...you must be joking....tren (fina) is about as androgenic as DHT, so expect the most severe ance, hairloss, and body hair growth from it compared to other AS.

Halo only belongs pre-contest for a BB'er or competitive powerlifter. Halo is horrible for growth as it's muscle building properties are almost non-exsistant.

Halo is far more toxic than other oral AS because it must pass throught the liver 3 times.


If your willing to use fina then your not opposed to using gear that is not made under pharmacutical conditions. In which case I'd suggest using/making injectable 4-AD. It's the closest thing your going to find to fina (tren).

ST

[Kayak_boy]

*****.... it sounds like a nightmare.

Doesn't Fina also kill off your cardio abilities ST??

What in your opinion are the best AS with the least sides??

Cheers ST.

[Spiderman]

Hmm... I haven't really experienced any of those sides with the fina I'm on right now. Perhaps a little acne, but no hairloss at all. Perhaps a little increased body hair growth, but nothin thats not manageable.

[Belial]

I still think I should get a cookie for my innovative 1-test recommendation.

[MEGAMAN]

Originally posted by Beliali
I still think I should get a cookie for my innovative 1-test recommendation.

Here boy...come on here's a cookie...goood boy......:D

Thanks Chief...I appriciate the suggestions......I have tried Test -1 as a transdermal....still have some left I believe....It can't heart to give it a shot. although I must say I was not impressed with its performance when used by itself......have a friend who recommends TEST Prop.....says it's stronger than raw test....and it's short acting......What do ya think of that suggestion?:confused:

[Belial]

Test prop isn't any stronger than raw test (test suspension, I'm assuming, is raw test). It's actually slightly slower acting, and the weight of the ester means you get less steroid per mg. It's fast acting, hence the recommendation for a short acting ester to get things started.

The idea with 1-test, btw, would be to take more than the recommended dosage, see what that does for you.

Thank you for the cookie. Mmm, cookie.

[MEGAMAN]

Originally posted by Belial
Test prop isn't any stronger than raw test (test suspension, I'm assuming, is raw test). It's actually slightly slower acting, and the weight of the ester means you get less steroid per mg. It's fast acting, hence the recommendation for a short acting ester to get things started.

The idea with 1-test, btw, would be to take more than the recommended dosage, see what that does for you.

Thank you for the cookie. Mmm, cookie.

OK Dude I got u....U sound very knowledgeable.....I am trying to plan a second cycle....I was disappointed with my first....I would like to avoid water retention and reduce unwanted sides....I prefer to use injectables as they are less toxic to the liver.....I planed on using sust600 (from BL) as a base in a 12 week cycle....I want to jump start the cycle with something fast acting cuz the Sust I used in my last cycle did not kick in till the last injection.....I want to avoid these problems this time around.....

Here a **** load of cookies just 4 being a good sport!