all 17aa's are created equal?

[pearl]

hey guys, what do you think, all 17aa's have the same effect on the liver mg per mg?
like anavar vs dbol vs winny vs methyltest vs halo vs anadrol
or some of them are easier?
any idea why?

[JapaneseMachine]

halo is an exception; it must pass the liver 3 times. Other than that anavar is mildly toxic, but should not be taken lightly. funny enough they use OX to repair liver from failure. weird?

[Severed Ties]

No because equal doses of different AS all raise liver enzymes to different degrees.

Most people think Anadrol is extremely liver toxic, which it is not. The PDR recommends anadrol treatment to last 3-6 months with doses of 100-200mg/day. Even at this dose when used alone liver enzymes usually don't even elevate out of the normal range.

However Anavar which most people think is a very mild steroid on the liver is far more toxic compared to Anadrol on mg per mg basis. When used alone even 40mg's/day of anavar can elevate liver enzymes significantly out of the normal range...doses of 100mg's/day can more than triple liver enzyme values. This is the point the highest point an MD will allow any drug therapy to continue because the chance of doing permanent damage and liver failure become possibilities above this range.

So an I saying that anavar is more toxic than anadrol...you dam right.

Autopsy's done on European athletes in the 70's and 80's concluded death as a result of liver failure occurred in athletes from using 400mg/day of winstrol for prolonged periods of time with minimal off time.

ST

[pearl]

i was interested mainly on dbol.
i'm popping a couple of tabs from time to time when i feel really tired.
sometimes i trow some in whatever cycle i'm doing.
for me is just the king, i immediately respond to this stuff. even a t 15mg per day.
i always use silimarine and liv, sometimes even in the off time.
my liver values are normal.
but all aroung me is a hype about "dbol is going to make your liver like the stuff that remains in the coffe machine"
are they just trying to frighten us not to use it anymore?

[BUFF STUFF]

pearl have you tryed some caffine or something if your tired?

[Severed Ties]

Dbol is quickly metabolized so at sane doses (under 100mg's/day) you shouldn't have much to worry about unless you have pre-exsisting liver problems.

Many guys (mostly competitive athletes) stay on dbol year round yet have normal liver functions. Just be sure to avoid other medications and OTC pain relievers like APAP which can also stress the liver.

Also you should be sure to avoid drinking and any rec drugs.

ST

[pearl]

i used caffeine, but is a bitch. makes you feel good and after that, you crash.

as for the dbol, thanks for the good news

[Budiak]

Thats great news! Instead of coffee, I can just pop a handful of Dbols! HA!


Uhh, does using Dbol year round do anything bad to a person?

This guy doesnt seem to have any problem popping them from time to time, off or on cycle.

Does eating one Dbol make you bloated or affect strength in any way or does it simply serve as a pick me up?

[pearl]

yes, if i take for 2 weeks like 3 per day i see some water retention and the strength is exploding from one workout to another.
as if i take only 2 tabs as an energizer, i have a good workout and good recovery.

[Bigmofo]

So its true that Arnold took d-bol like if they were candy??

[BUFF STUFF]

Yeah damn right he did, just like all the pros
Arnie loved his dbol and primo depot, I have heard of people gobbling 100 in a day of dbol!!! (500mgs!!)

[Tadger]

I dunno about that. I knew a guy that was running 300mg dbol/day (along with about 1000mg test and I think 600mg eq each week)... and he ended up in the hospital in just over a week. He ended up so dizzy he could barely walk, his skin turned a nice shade of yellow and had a nice 3 day nose bleed before his girlfriend finally dragged his sorry ass to the emergency room. He was in sad shape.

[the doc]

very informative thread!

[pearl]

so, mg per mg, wich is less toxic : dbol or oral winstrol?

[BUFF STUFF]

I would say the dbol is more effective and more toxic without a doubt