Advice for first course when going off to university

[somefuka]

I am trying to decide upon a course to do when I go away to university, (which will be around a months time)
Firstly, I better tell you about myself.

I first picked up a dumbbell when I was 15, I got into bodybuilding because my bro did it very seriously. I got into it properly, (and by that I mean strict diet and workout patterns and supplementation) at around the age of 16.
Im 18 now, im fairly short, im around 5'9 and I have put on a fair bit of natural size, but lack raw "bulk"

I’ve thought about steroid use for a while now, in the past I always shunned it because I was only knowledgeable of the negative aspects and I was ignorant to the real facts and positive benefits.

I have been researching steroid use as I think anyone who is doing it for the first time should. I have gained advice from my brother, who has used steroids for some time. When I was younger he told me he didn’t use them. I understand this now because I think at the time I would have not understood and may have wished to use them at a too early stage of my training life. We now talk freely about it and he has explained to me the highs and the lows of juicing.

One of my main problems is the fact that I am now going off to uni in Nottingham, which is a good 150 miles away from where I live in Essex (UK). Ill obviously be living up there, but doing a first course with lack of personal advice may be a little tricky. Hopefully there will be some other juicers that will be able to help me at my uni, but my main problem is that I wish to start this course fairly soon!
I was thinking of a milder steroid, such as sustanon, and easing myself into AS use.

Does anybody have an advice based upon similar circumstances? Or wish they done their first course differently and have any suggestions?

Thanks for taking the time to read all this! Had to give you the back-story!

[stevo]

Alright mate. I too, am a newbie to steroids and have just finished my first cycle which was only 200 mg deca per week for 10 weeks. I lost bodyfat and gained some good size and shape and i feel great. I think for a beginner both deca and/or sus are good because they give a good strength and size increase with minimal side effects(although this depends on how much you do).I am in fact going to do both 400 deca, 500 sus per week for 10 weeks for my next cycle.
Even if you do a minimal amount for your first cycle you will still get results cos its your first time juicin.

[Tadger]

Stevo, nandrolones are terrible for beginners... and well... anyone for that matter. Potential for way to many problems (gyno, edema, erectile problems, depression, loss of libido, suppression of corticoid activity, leydig cells become desensitized to pituitary hormones and the metabolites are recycled in the body for a very long time, resulting in a huge detection time among other problems).

As for you SF, you should really hold off until you're at least 21. Your test, GH and IGF-1 levels are so high naturally, running a cycle right now is almost pointless. You're just gonna end up shutting down your natural test secretion and risking a lengthy recovery period... among other things. Just keep training like you are. You'll do fine.

[Budiak]

im fairly short, im around 5'9

Where do you live where that is 'short'? ******* Valhalla??

First off, like the rest of the guys here will probably tell you, you're too young to try gear out just yet. 18 is just too young, I wouldnt try it until at least 21 because by that time your hormones are levelling out and you are just about fully grown naturally. You may say that you are, but I know a loooot of guys who grew or went through some other change, like a voice change, around the age of 19 and 20. Myself being one of them.

But, if you are dead set on it, you might as well do it right. As for deca and dbol, I wouldnt suggest these being your first cycle drugs because they tend to have high chances for side affects. Especially at such a young age, I dont think you'd want to have a limp dick for two months after a deca cycle or look like you just ate the wrong gum at Willy Wonka's during a dbol cycle. I have a very good, tall, masculine friend who is going to be going on a mass cycle some time early next year that is basically an eq/test cycle. You dont need a lot of this **** to grow unless you're already pretty big(so it seems. I've always been a cheap date). Ask mroe questions around here, and use the search for other people's first cycles, there are TONS of first cycle posts on here that are full of great info and insults from other members.
A good all-steroid related forum is www.wannabeafreak.com, its got lots of good stuff. Dont trust online ordering sources.Always remember your anti-Es. Never deal on an inside straight, and stay away from the clap.

And dont do drugs.

[tony touch]

budiak- Valhalla, New york?

[Budiak]

No, the home of the Norse gods.

[Relentless]

maybe 5'9" seems short these days.

I swear, kids in high school seem just MONSTROUSLY tall these days; maybe it's all the hormones in the beef they're eating and milk they're drinking. :p

[tony touch]

sucks being 5'5

[Budiak]

It sure does.

[Severed Ties]

If you are considering AS, first I suggest you have your doctor perform a bone age test to determine if your growth plates have closed. Using anabolic steroids at an early age can prematurely close these plates cutting inches off your final height or worse case leaving you disproportionate.

Be sure your doctor performs the test on both your wrist and legs as the leg plates usually close at a slower rate.

ST

[BUFF STUFF]

Originally posted by somefuka

Im 18 now, im fairly short, im around 5'9 and I have put on a fair bit of natural size, but lack raw "bulk"


Taking AS or prohormones at your age is stupid man anyone who knows alot on here will tell you. As for your hight AS will make your bones stop growing so basicaly you wont get taller dude.

If your having problems growing, I think you should look at your training programe and your calorie intake, up your calories 250 this week if you dont notice any weight gain try 500 cals (ensuring you are getting enough protein of corse) If you still dont see a difference add some fat. I seriously doubt you have reached your peak. Eating lots of Steak and doing squats do wonders for growth too.:D

[somefuka]

Thanks for the replies, i am interested in finding out my bone age, if i was to think about one of these tests, how do i go about sorting it out? Do i just go to my GP or do i need to see a specialist?
I agree that maybe 18 is a little young, but if i am fully grown, it may not be a problem.
(P.S) i got my exam results yesturday and ive got into Nottingham Trent uni! If anyones got any tips on surviving as a student and bodybuilding at the same time it would be good!
Thanks again.

[Tadger]

Originally posted by somefuka
If anyones got any tips on surviving as a student and bodybuilding at the same time it would be good!
Sleep!! ya gotta sleep man... most people that head off to school get absolutely no sleep their first year. Get yourself on a good schedule and stick to it.

Eat. Like the sleeping thing... alot of freshmen end up eating very little, and what they do eat is crap. Most kids get so busy they have very little time to eat... don't fall into that trap.

Stay away from the alcohol. It doesn't really hurt to go have a few beers or something every once in a while, but don't make it a habit.

Don't get too involved with the girls. I know it's hard, but goddamn they eat up alot of time and energy. Nuthin wrong with havin a girl, but don't let it consume your life. It can be hell on your lifting and your grades.

Find yourself a good lifting parter... can do wonders for ya.

That's all I got. Uncle Tadger is out of good advice.

[Budiak]

Tadger's right, stay away from women. They will destroy your life, ask Eric, that pansy ass bastid. If you're broke, they do even more damage.

[somefuka]

Hmm stay away from women and alcohol... well they were quite high on my reasons to go to uni list but never mind! You guys are from the US aint ya? The thing is, drinking at uni in the UK is kind of an institution! But yeah, i dont wanna be drinkin every night and eating next to nothing!
Im gettin myself a blender to take with me so that i can mix protein drinks, and i guess im gonna have to eat a lot of cheap tuna and egg noodles!

[Shankerr]

I'm another one who grew a touch over an inch first year of University (19yrs old, hre in Canada, thats when ya first go to school) I hadn't grown for like three years, then all of a sudden, up I shot! So I'd make sure to get your bone age done before ya do anything, as per the other guys advice.

For surviving at school, make sure to get in the sleep, if you get caught short during the week, make up for it by sleeping in on weekends, I know its not ideal, but sometimes its the only way.
Follow as strict a diet as you can, if you're staying in residence, try to explain to the caffeteria staff your diet, and why its important, and they'll usually be more than willing to help. Just walk right up and chat with one fo them sometime. Take a blender and a portable grill if you can, and make sure to get a lil portable fridge for your room so you can store milk, chicken, eggs, etc in it, and get toog at cooking eggs on the grill (get one that oesn't have holes between the grill rack so they won't fall thru, takes eome practice!) take a good multi, and stock up on proteina dn MRP bars for after/during class snacks, etc. in order to keep your diet in check, its hard to take even a shaker cup to a lecture, so take a bar instead!

I found that I had to hit the gym in lil bits during the day, I go to a very preppy university, so I got made fun of a bit for walking around in my gym clothes all the time, but to he*l with them, you know you're doing something good for yourself, and thats all that matters (and when you dress later on, you'lll look better than them anyway, hehe) Use all the spare time during the day, between classes and such to work out, you're gonna find that you want the evenings to study, so get your workout in during the day. Again, going back and forth to the gym is a bit akward, and doing your workout in five different increments during the day is not ideal, but I found it was the only way to work out, and still get both class time and study time in.... go to class, then do a few sets, class, more sets, class, etc, you get the idea. just try to at least finish one excercise per visit to the gym, so you're not doing like two sets of dumbell press now and another two more sets three hours later, or whatever.

Stay away from alcohol as much as you can, here in Canada, drinking at Uni is a bit of a necessity too, but cut yourself off after one or two, if you're worried about how you look avoiding alcohol, just order bottled beer and hold onto the enpty bottle all night, no one can see into the brown glass to tell if its empty or not ;-) I pulled this trick any number of times, and no one ever clued in... might have made people wonder why I had been drinking all night and wasn't even buzzed, but then they just figure I was a tank.

As far as girls go,Tadger is right, stay away from them.... classes + bodybuilding + studying + girls + sleep = about 42 hours a day, and its alot harder to drop that cute lil first year girl, who's away from home for the first time and letting everyhting loose, than it is to procrastinate on your workouts, trust me, I fell into that for about a month first year.. if you can, find a girl that understands the importance of your bodybuilding schedule, and stick with her, keep it casual, and make her understand that even though it would be nice, you might just not have time to hang with her every single night.

hehe, theres my two cents worth, hope its worth soemtime to ya!

ciao

Shane

[somefuka]

Thanx Shankerr, thats some interestin info!
I will have a fully fitted kitchen etc in my halls of residence so cooking should be ok.
Training 5 times a day tho?! Sounds a bit extreme!!
Anyway, im gonna make sure i get a good trainin partner out there so we can make sure we both dont cut corners on our diet etc!

[Kayak_boy]

Nottingham is a great Uni, I stayed there for a week one time training and have been to the town may times racing.

There's a super Italian up near the Bridge, it's cheap as chips and tastes great.

And there's a rumour that theres about 3 chicks to every bloke up there, but I don't know how true that is, I've never been lucky enough to head out on the pi$$ there!

Have a great time up there.

Oh, and stay away from AS, until your 21, then have a think, use the time inbetween to research.

[Budiak]

I have no ******* clue what Kayak Boy just said.


But yeah, wait til you're 21.

[somefuka]

Hmmm waitin till im 21 does seem like sound advice, Ive got a work experience year on year 3 of my course, and ill 20-21 around then so it would be a very good opportunity to get on AS. I would be moving back into my parents house so id just be working and trainin! :p
It would give me the opportunity to get massive! might have to give this idea some consideration!

[Kayak_boy]

Originally posted by Budiak
I have no ******* clue what Kayak Boy just said.


But yeah, wait til you're 21.

What?

The bloke was saying he's off to Nottingham to study, and I was just telling him my experiences and sending him of the right track!

Geez, you Sepos!!:p

[Budiak]

The phrases that confused me were:

'I've never been lucky enough to head out on the pi$$ there!'
'There's a super Italian up near the Bridge, it's cheap as chips and tastes great.'
' stayed there for a week one time training and have been to the town may times racing.'

[Kayak_boy]

Quick explantion:


1. I've never been fortunate enough to go out and drink alcohol in the afore mentioned city.

2. There's is a very good Italian restaurant at the bridge over the Trent river where prices are very reasonable and food tastes very good.

3. I stayed in Nottingham University for the period of one week, while in the city on a training camp. I have also been to the city many times racing at the National Watersports Centre there.

That clear it up??:p

[BUFF STUFF]

LOL @ Budiak!! :D I hear you kayak boy, I can understand Budiaks confussion tho

[Kayak_boy]

Geez Buff, I thought you were a Pom, surely you'd know what I was on about!!:p

[BUFF STUFF]

Originally posted by Kayak_boy
Geez Buff, I thought you were a Pom, surely you'd know what I was on about!!:p

yeah kayak boy i did get you before, what the hell is a "pom" tho?
Budiak do you know what he means?
i have no ******* clue what kayak boy just said

[Kayak_boy]

Aren't you from the UK Buff?

I thought you had asid in a previous thread that you were english.

If you are then you are a Pom, which is a Prisioner Of the Motherland! it's what Aussies and other people in the Commonwealth call English folks.

[somefuka]

OK heres an update!! Im 19 now, and ive got my next problem! Im back home for 3 months, and have been tempted to start AS. My bro can get hold of some deca and winstrol, what do you think of that combination?

[Kayak_boy]

You'll get the very same advice mate. Hold of until your at least 21.

[BUFF STUFF]

Originally posted by Budiak
I have no ******* clue what Kayak Boy just said.


But yeah, wait til you're 21.

[Kayak_boy]

LOL!!!!

Back to this again, eh Buff???


:D

[somefuka]

UPDATE!

ok everyone! im back again! Thanks for you advice over the years! Im now coming up 2 the end of my 2nd year at uni, and no, i havent touched AS yet!

Heres the deal, my 3rd year is coming up, ill have a nice break from studying and then start a year of work experience, so it seems like the time has come!

Im trying to make a checklist of what i need to do before i start for the first time. I realise i still have a hell of a lot of research to do, im not ignorant to the fact that to get this right will take a lot of work. I am prepared to do that, but i am asking, with a month to go before im thinking of juicing, what advice would you honestly give me?

Thanks for all your help.

[SirTest2004]

you're obviously very persistant dude,im english too btw! you'll get a similar answer from everyone here mate....500mg Test pw for 10-12 weeks with arimidex and the normal PCT.

[Severed Ties]

What SirTest saidand read the rules of cycling I posted at the top of the forum.


ST

[tony touch]

i was ur age when i started.........all depends on the person...i regret nothing

[BUFF STUFF]

And dont do drugs.

LOL :zipit:

[BUFF STUFF]

UPDATE!

ok everyone! im back again! Thanks for you advice over the years! Im now coming up 2 the end of my 2nd year at uni, and no, i havent touched AS yet!

Heres the deal, my 3rd year is coming up, ill have a nice break from studying and then start a year of work experience, so it seems like the time has come!

Im trying to make a checklist of what i need to do before i start for the first time. I realise i still have a hell of a lot of research to do, im not ignorant to the fact that to get this right will take a lot of work. I am prepared to do that, but i am asking, with a month to go before im thinking of juicing, what advice would you honestly give me?

Thanks for all your help.

Damn just realised this thread is as old as my lifetime on WBB.

Advice

1. Make sure you have everything before you start, yes this includes ancilaries all the gear ect.

2. Make sure you stuff your self with food, use EQ if you like to help hunger.

3. Always have a Test as a base (so you can function properly and for optium growth)

4. Get 10 hours sleep each night

5. Train like a mofo

6. Make a training log to track progress

7. Keep drinking minamul and cut out any reacratinal drugs completly

Cant think any more right now

hope thats some use.

[tony touch]

ur right, i remember this fookin thread waaaaaaaaaayyyy back when

[Budiak]

Ha! Buff, when the hell did I say that?!

Thats funny.



I don't remember posting ANY of that ****. But I do remember not having any idea wtf Kayak Boy was saying...I guess I found that thread; the point of contention.


Time for margaritas. Padron and Marnier. Where each drink is worth more than my entire wardrobe.

Oh, yeah. Don't drink while on the juice. Bad gumbo. Ha!

[somefuka]

Sorry if I brought back all the memories! Thanks for the sound advice. I have to say, I am a little apprehensive about jabbing, as im sure is usual. I think ill get my bro to give me a hand the first time, I know ill be bricking myself the first time though!

[Kayak_boy]

Geez Budiak, I've re-read it and I still don't know what ya don't get.....LOL!!!!




Pour me a drink if you're having one! ;)

[somefuka]

UPDATE!


Back again, ok I'm thinking of starting a Decca and Equipoise cycle, what is your opinon on this stack for a first-timer? Obviously cycle length and strength etc will need to be finalised!

Any views?

thanks.

[chris6969]

Wait another year or 2.
reason 1: you may still have some growth left in you that you would cut short (bones/height)
reason 2: your natural HGH & test are high already, using now would disturb your natural production and may prematurely end the natural high production that you should be experiencing
reason 3: wait to see how your college schedule and work out schedule combine. You may realize that you dont have enough time or dedication with all of the distractions of school. And if you started now, it would be a waste.

[BHerks]

this thread is hilarious, you sure as hell are persistant and have a hella lot of patience...i think youre ready ;) , since youre dead set on doing this, i guess no one is going to detur you. there really is no good or bad cycle just people that dont know what theyre doing or dont research, anyway some might have better insight but you could run that for 8-10 weeks, id stop the deca at 8 and run the eq for 2 more weeks finishing w/nolva or clomid or arimadex for pct. what are your stats, for 1st time 200-250mg (whatever its measured to) of deca a week should be good, ive never done eq so i dont know much about it, 200-400 a week? 1 inj each on every 4th day (ie: mon/thurs). anyway good luck, make sure your diet is in-check and youre ready to train hard.

or just listen to him and wait...^

[chris6969]

Edit: I only read the 1st few posts... then realized after posting there was a second page... and this is his second year!! LOL

Ok, maybe you can start now. If you can eat (good diet with lotsa protein), sleep and work out with dedication.

Give some details of your progress though---
Bodyweight:
Height:
Benchpress:
Deadlift:
Squat:
etc...

I'd probably go with a straight Test. only cycle for the 1st time. good 10-12 weeks. Have clomid & nolva before you start.
10cc = only get about 8.5 - 9cc from multiusing it
get min. 8-9 hours of sleep, plus a nap during the day if possible
EAT, EAT, EAT

[PowerManDL]

Stevo, nandrolones are terrible for beginners... and well... anyone for that matter. Potential for way to many problems (gyno, edema, erectile problems, depression, loss of libido, suppression of corticoid activity, leydig cells become desensitized to pituitary hormones and the metabolites are recycled in the body for a very long time, resulting in a huge detection time among other problems).

Seems like a lot of people are still ignoring this part.

[Bigwhiteboy123]

this is amazing i would of went mad thinking about it so long..... i couldnt even hold off for a month before i did it :bang: :bash: :hump: good job :thumbup:

[Bigwhiteboy123]

i would use 500 mg of test thats all you need...