New to AS use, heres my info, if ya can, help me out!

[Shankerr]

Hi there. Over the past while I have been considering using AS to help my progress along a bit. I am just starting my research now, and plan to start juicing soemtime over the next four or five months. I'll provide my stats, and was wondering if some of the more knowledgeable members could help me with ideas on what to take, diet during a cycle, etc based on my stats. I only plan to use for a few cycles as well, my goal isn't to be a pro bodybuilder at all, but maybe gain about 25lbs of lean mass in total, and drop to around 7-9% BF. I'm a pretty good size now, but just want that extra size anyway. After that, I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with my body, but who knows, maybe my goals will change once I start to reach my current goals. Always seems to happen that way :-) I'm not in any rush to attain my goals, I realize it all takes time, but figured a few cycles of AS would help out!

here goes...

21YO
6'2.5"
appx 10-13% BF
207.5lbs
cutting to around 200lbs currently

I have been hitting the gym for appx four years lightly, and about two years seriously, with a bit of a break in there (about 6 months) due to an injury.

I'm basically an open book on AS use. I realize the benefits, but have no idea where to start! Like I said, I have been at the gym for a while now, and have no problem with dicipline and diet changes.

Thanks for any help

Shane

[zwarrior99]

Test Cyp 500mg wk 1-8
Dbol 35mg ed, wk 1-4
Deca 300 mg wk 1-8
Clomid wk 11-14

Have some nolvadex on hand, preferbally armidex to run if you start to develop gyno problems. Or if you wanna keep e levels low you could run some liquidex during the cycle. (liquidex dont hinder gains)

eat like there is no tommorow. Eat everything and anything you can find and make sure you get at least 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight, but i would recommened 2g of protein per lb. And dont forget the carbs. And most importantly lift really heavy!

[Shankerr]

Alright, heres a few questions about this then, and don't make fun, they're probably stupid questions, but I'm not yet overly knowledgeable on AS (I will be before I start using them though)

I take all of these at the same time... as per the week and amount outlines you gave me..??..??

Also, are any/all of these ingestable orally, or do they have to be injected, or what?? I'd rather be able to take these orally, as it is rather important no one see and marks on me, and based on the fact I'll be sharing bathrooms with floormates, etc, they almost certainly would be noticable at one point or other. Its not an embarrassment or political thing for myself, but in my faculty, its incredibly competitive, and I just don't need to give anyone an excuse to discuss me with the dean or professors. (and they would, trust me, they're all a bunch of finance geek do-gooders)

thanks again

Shane

[zwarrior99]

Test Cyp= Monday 250mg, Thursday 250mg (injectable)
Dbol = take every 3 hours, you could take 10mg b4 workout (oral)
Deca= Monday 150mg, Thursday 250mg (injectable)

that way your totals will equal what i out lined in the last description.

[Shankerr]

very nice, thanks alot

[zwarrior99]

Upps my bad:
Deca= Monday 150mg, Thursday 250mg (injectable)

I ment to put for Thursday 150mg. You could cut out the deca, if you want. But I say its wise to stack an androgenic roid with an anabolic one. Dont forget the nolvadex, preferbally arimdex. And the clomid now. If you cant get clomid then HCG could do.

[PowerManDL]

Just going by what I know, I'd say skip the Deca completely. I'd also say go with enanthate over cypionate, unless you like injecting frequently.

HCG is no replacement for clomid.

Oh, and what the hell am I doing giving steroid advice?

[zwarrior99]

Ethn and CYP have about the same half-lifes. HCG indeed can replace Clomid, in high dosages.

[Kayak_boy]

Skip the deca... too many side effects.

[Severed Ties]

Originally posted by zwarrior99
HCG indeed can replace Clomid, in high dosages.

No it cannot, HCG is just as suppressive to the hypothalamus as most steroids. High doses of HCG is exactly how it should NOT be used. High doses of HCG desensitize the leydig cells to LH so Testosterone production remains suppressed even if the HTPA recovers and endogenous LH production returns to normal.


ST

[Rabid Wolverine]

"I'd also say go with enanthate over cypionate, unless you like injecting frequently"

is there a new fast acting cyp on the market I don't know about? lol

[Severed Ties]

You can't have a fast acting cyp...all cypionate means is a 5 carbon-chain ester. If you make it 3 carbon-chains long to shorten the half-life you have a propionate ester.

RW- I going to hit ya back on your PM, just give me a few days.

ST

[zwarrior99]

Umm right, so how much you say the half life of cyp, is cause its 3 weeks.