Clen

[heathj]

I know it's not an anabolic, but I figured it belonged here more then any other forum, unless you disagree. Anyway, before I start majorly bulking(around October-November), I was planning on cutting down to around 10% bodyfat, maybe lower if I can, but 10% is my goal for now. I was thinking of using some aids...I have plenty of hydroxycut left, but it doesn't really seem to help in the terms of fat loss, just gives me energy and makes me sweat a lot, but I have never really noticed a great loss of fat from it. I was pondering on whether or not to use Clen. Do you think it's worth it? I need to cut about 3% bodyfat off. I plan on starting fairly soon, if I do it. Maybe 2-4 weeks or so. What about T3...should I add this in or is it just a waste of money? Give me the details :) I have researched some on them and have heard SOME stuff from some people, but figured it'd be more informational from me to hear it on the forum, from everyone. Any help's appreciated. Thanks.

[LAM]

you can do this...

Clenbuterol cycle
Day
1 20mcg
2 40mcg
3 60mcg
4-6 80mcg
7-11 100mcg
12-14 80mcg
15 60mcg
16 40mcg
17 20mcg

T3 Cycle
Day
1-5 25mcg
6-13 50mcg
14-20 75mcg
21-37 100mcg
35-38 75mcg
39-42 50mcg
43-46 25mcg

* and if you are worried about losing LBM you can always throught some test in the mix...

[syd]

for some clen works better, and for others eca works better. you could give it a try. i wouldnt use the t3. t3 and clen would be the best combo but the t3 will eat up your muscles unless your usin gear with it. keep the diet and cardio in check and throw in some clen.

[galileo]

:withstupi

I'd do a cut with some test and clen or eca. Then you won't have to worry about muscle loss.

[zwarrior99]

Ya t3 without test, is suicide. You could get away with t3 and clen, since clen is anti-catabolic, but i would feel safer with some test, Perferbally EQ and/ or winny.

[Maki Riddington]

Use some EC and clen.

Clen in the long run doesn't work as well as EC.
I would use clen for 3 weeks and make sure your program is shifted towards more cardio during that time. Granted your eating is on par you'll be very happy with your results.
Keep the training to maybe 3x's per week.

[zwarrior99]

I say do a search on a post i made, for Clenbuterol handbook

[heathj]

Thanks for the handbook, very informational.

So I think I'll just use Clen and ECA, like Maki said...How about this?

Day
1 20mcg
2 40mcg
3 60mcg
4-6 80mcg
7-14 100mcg
15-18 80mcg
19 60mcg
20 40mcg
21 20mcg
22-35 ECA(H-Cut, 12 pills per day)

Plus 3g Taurine per day. (It is a must, though?)

What about that?

[zwarrior99]

sounds good!

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

EC and clen work on the same Adrenoreceptors so coming off clen to go onto EC will be a pointless interaction.

A better idea would be to maybe come off the clen (and forget EC for now) to let your b-2 receptor upregulate while using Yohimbine to antagonise your a-2 receptors.

That way at least, during your two weeks or so off clen/EC your chances of lipogenesis are nulled somewhat.

And during this time, keep the cardio up to ensure catecholmine release.

[heathj]

So 3 weeks of that clen cycle and then how much of Yohimbine?

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Originally posted by heathj
So 3 weeks of that clen cycle and then how much of Yohimbine?

Well, 2 weeks is usually the norm, but give three a go and see how it goes.

As far as Y HCL goes, the transdermal stuff usually charges by the g so prices = ridiculous. Using the tabs you can get adequate amounts in the blood and for about £10 for about 90 tabs (www.1fast400.com is good).

Say, 2.5mg x3 at first and maybe work up.

I'm not totally sure on dosage cause it differs between folks, but start off light and work your way up, as you'd expect. Play it by ear and make sure you still feel stable.

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Originally posted by heathj
Plus 3g Taurine per day. (It is a must, though?)


Not a must though, but potentially beneficial, cause clen can inhibt T4 to T3 conversion, so taurine can help set back that effect.

[heathj]

So would I take the Yohimbine just as long as I am taking the clen and once I stop one, I stop the other...?

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

No! You ignorant foo.



Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
EC and clen work on the same Adrenoreceptors so coming off clen to go onto EC will be a pointless interaction.

A better idea would be to maybe come off the clen (and forget EC for now) to let your b-2 receptor upregulate while using Yohimbine to antagonise your a-2 receptors.

That way at least, during your two weeks or so off clen/EC your chances of lipogenesis are nulled somewhat.

And during this time, keep the cardio up to ensure catecholmine release.

[Maki Riddington]

Heath, two weeks is always mentioned but isn't set in stone. Take it for as long as you feel it. Which would be anywhere from 1-3 weeks. Who knows, maybe even longer.
If you don't feel it take a little bit more, not a lot and try not to go over 150 mcg although I've read and heard that some have used 200 mcg and above. It usually at the 2 weeks point that your receptors have downgraded which is why you won't feel it anymore.
Tadger, St correct me if I'm wrong.

[heathj]

Bought some Yohimbine HCL and Taurine today.

Got 1000mg of Yohimbine, in 5mg capsules.
Got 100,000mg of Taurine, in 500mg capsules.

I got a lot cause they were cheap. I would've only gotten 500mg of Yohimbine, but it was a buy 1 get 1 free deal, so...

[heathj]

BTW, Chigs, I read somewhere that you should take .2mg/KG of bodyweight for Yohimbine...so if I weighed 195, I should take in about 17mg yohimbine hcl per day....too much?

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Something like that, yeah.

But with transdermals you can take a ****load more, since you're essentially by-passing the CNS.

Don't suddenyl take 17mg, work your way up and see how you feel.

Play it by ear.

[Severed Ties]

Correct Maki

Clen downregulates some guys so fast they stop feeling it after 3 days, yet the stuff can still give you a heart attack if you continue to increase the dose since you're no longer "feeling" it.

ST