Soy Protien

[BUFF STUFF]

i read this article about whey vs soy protien, I heard z warrior saying soy increases estrogen levels in men but this site says different.

whey vs soy (http://www.sover.net/~timw/soyvswhy.htm)

Whats your opinons on this?

[Stray]

My wifes Womens Health Mags all tell her to eat tons of soy...that's enough reason for me to stay away from it.

[galileo]

Two words: man boobies.

[munkyhead97]

For some reason somebody, somehow came up with this estrogen crap I sure it didn't make it self up so I am definetly staying away from soy. If I wanted tits I call "bloissant"

[lovetoeat]

Here are some links to the evils of soy.

www.mercola.com/article/soy/

[zwarrior99]

I say that soy has no place in bodybuilding unless you are a female! Stay away from soy protein! lol..

[Blood&Iron]

The available research is inconclusive. There is some evidence that the phytoestrogens present in soy may actually bind to estrogen receptors preventing real estrogen from binding to them. If this is true, soy would lower estrogenic effects.

Really, though, the oral bioavailability of flavones in general is terrible, so it's not really a huge issue unless you're consuming massive quantities of the stuff.

Consuming a moderate amount of soy is not going to turn you into a woman, and actually has some health benefits.

[zwarrior99]

Umm wait I agree with B&I too.

[fatsoPanda]

I was reading an article in the new Muscular Develpment mag and Lee priest says he uses Soy protein exclusively. I guess some people like it.

[AdamGberg]

haha...Z you are playing both sides...i would say whey because animals were meant to be eaten...oh wait, so were plants...i don't know

[K-Daddy]

Originally posted by AdamGberg
i would say whey because animals were meant to be eaten

I may be wrong, but doesn't whey come from a different source? I thought I remembered someone saying that it comes from the top of cottage cheese (the water-like liquid that settles to the top in it). Maybe that's just one of many sources. I'd think, though, that the slower-digesting animal proteins would come from...well...animals.

-Justin

[galileo]

Do you think cottage cheese grows on trees?

[K-Daddy]

Are you implying that I don't understand where cottage cheese comes from...either what it's made from or what animal(s) that it comes from?

[Puttn]

i eat soynut peanut butter almost everyday and its 10g of soy protein and its a good source of protein i see nothing wrong with soy... its a big food source thats becoming more popular and i see nothing wrong with it

[Incredible Hulk]

Originally posted by Blood&Iron
The available research is inconclusive. There is some evidence that the phytoestrogens present in soy may actually bind to estrogen receptors preventing real estrogen from binding to them. If this is true, soy would lower estrogenic effects.

Really, though, the oral bioavailability of flavones in general is terrible, so it's not really a huge issue unless you're consuming massive quantities of the stuff.

Consuming a moderate amount of soy is not going to turn you into a woman, and actually has some health benefits.

Very informative!! Soy protein only seems to be detrimental in males when consumed in excess of 30+ grams a day. Even this information is inconclusive. As long as your not taking soy protein all day long, I'm sure you have nothing to worry about! I take a mixed protein before bed that has soy protein in it and I have yet to grow a nice set of hooters so far! :)

[galileo]

Originally posted by K-Daddy
Are you implying that I don't understand where cottage cheese comes from...either what it's made from or what animal(s) that it comes from?

I am implying that cottage cheese in an animal product.

[Puttn]

aprox 25 grams of soy protein raises metabolism you have to eat a ton of soy for it to do any negative effects... soy isnt a complete protein form so i wouldnt consume a lot of it any way

[duque21]

Originally posted by fatsoPanda
I was reading an article in the new Muscular Develpment mag and Lee priest says he uses Soy protein exclusively. I guess some people like it.

--well if you were reading that magazine, that would explain why you got totaly bad info, I follow that guy a lot and never heard of him using soy. Well SOY PROTEIN, he might use soy sauce, but he publishes his diets a lot and its usually a lot of whole foods.

[Stray]

Maybe he meant he has a dog named Soy.

[zwarrior99]

lol

[Holto]

Originally posted by duque21


--well if you were reading that magazine, that would explain why you got totaly bad info, I follow that guy a lot and never heard of him using soy. Well SOY PROTEIN, he might use soy sauce, but he publishes his diets a lot and its usually a lot of whole foods.

he said egg not soy I read the article

it was in response to a question about his use of MuscleTech's products

[Ti1301]

Here are some links to the evils of soy.
That article seems I dunno, biased. It just wants to play devils advocate. When I read the part of 40% of white people and black people in America, That alone spelled bias. It indicates that only black and white people make up the U.S population. When I read that, I immediately knew the "findings" were bogus.

Information IS availabe is that soy had shown to help musle growth in both men and women.
Since you guys like articles here is a good one that supports soy v.s Whey.
http://www.soylutions.com/newsletter10_01.html#athPerf

You will find the Ohio State study results here.
http://personaledgeprotein.com/PersonalEdge.nsf/33c99bfb5adee3148625688d006102be/2a915b98ff64ba9986256896005f0bfb!OpenDocument
And for those who Trust the fabalous company Dupont
http://www.dupont.com/corp/news/product/2001/pn10_21_01.html
This page also lists out the benefits of soy clearly
http://www.revivalsoy.com/energy1.html
Hooray for Soy!
I'm sticking with it, now whey for me, too many benefits to say no and not to mention the possible kidney benefits.

[Jilla82]

How can soy be that bad? most of the world (except people in the US of course) eat tons of soy. I dont see them w/ man boobies

[Ti1301]

How can soy be that bad? most of the world (except people in the US of course) eat tons of soy. I dont see them w/ man boobies
Soy isn't bad. Just look at those links I posted. The study done by Ohio State shows that the test subjects had better results with soy then whey. I'm not going to dump on whey since it has obvisou benefits, but people should really stop dumping on soy just cause of fear caused by these nasty rumors about man boobs and what not. The man boob crap is just a myth created by Whey users who like to dump on any protein that isn't whey then it spreads and it becomes a rumor that plays on people's fears.
You will notice that most of the people who dump on soy protein have never tried it and are afraid to give it a try.
on a side note, men who wish to be women are injected with VERY high doses of estrogen to become more fememnin and grow breasts. I'm sure if they could get the breasts they've wanted with soy they would be consuming it like there is no tomorrow, but sadly to say they pay large sums of money for the estrogen to be able to grow breasts.
The Whole Man boob rumor has been disproven by scientific research, but people still choose to believe it out of fear.
I believe that would be called ignorance.