View Full Version : Oh man, am I gonna get some crap now.
09-13-2002, 04:19 PM
I have got to be clinically insane to allow these pictures to ever go to the net. I know for a fact that I looked good once, I can get there again. I know I have a good frame to work from. It is gonna take diet, hard work, hard work and even more hard work but I will do it. I've also got to get rid of all this hair permanantly. I hate it. It's unhealthy to have all this hair. I bet 30lbs of my weight is hair. HAHAHAHAH
Yeah. I know. I have a LOT of work to do. Especially on my diet. I am back to a true beginner stage. I hope that people who are younger or the same age as me and are in decent condition realise just how lucky they are to have a supportive partner or family to help them achieve their condition. I am so embarrassed about posting my pics because I know I look crap. I can't express how ashamed of myself I am at the moment.
Well, rip away. I deserve it. I know I can be better than this and I WILL BE.
09-13-2002, 04:24 PM
Damn, I keep comparing myself to others here. I feel like bloody crying.
09-13-2002, 04:27 PM
ya best get to squatting, old boy.
and tanning. *lol*
i'm just messing with ya....don't feel ashamed....we've all got progress to make, even those that look great are still works in progress. At least now you've ogt a point to start right?
and there is no point in comparing yourself to anybody else. 3 months from now, compare yourself to you, and then 6 months from now do the same...and so on and so forth. ;)
09-13-2002, 04:28 PM
oh and your bicep shoulder region looks quite good, btw. nice size there. nice calf muscle too. :)
09-13-2002, 04:33 PM
You're just trying to make me feel better, but thanks. When my arms relax, there is nothing on my shoulders. My shoulders are rounded and look nothing but bone. I don't know how they get shape when I flex my bicep. It's funny. Flex and 'hey, there's my shoulder again', relax and 'damn, Skeletor'.
I would appreciate nothing but honesty here, I have lots to do to get anywhere.
What am I best off doing first? Fat loss? or Muscle Gain?
09-13-2002, 05:09 PM
And you best get your fat, white, hairy ass to a photography class.
Hey, then again, I'm short, have one eyebrow, stick arms, and almost no hair on my chest. And I'm 21. Among other things...hey, we've all got our achilles heels.
Welcome to the boards. Just start reading everything...I dont know what else to tell you. Also, you'll never make any progress if you dont start working at it. If you stop, gains will stop, progress will stop. That gut...that gut is nothing. I was 200lba at 5'2" in junior high. That gut is childs play. I was fat.
For a slice of heaven, check out the town crier! Its wicked bad, ay!
09-13-2002, 05:12 PM
So am I to be insulted about my inability to tan too? hahaha, I cannot tan. I do not think even a tanning specialist can get me to tan.
But as for working on this fat, hey, I know I've got to do it. I'm not making up excuses. I've spent the last 6 years thinking, I know, I'll join a gym. Look where it got me.
09-13-2002, 05:14 PM
Okay here's what I would do.
1.) Shave that crap off, probably the easiest thing you could do right now.
2.) Start going to a tanning salon, so you get at least a little color.
3.) Get on a diet and stick to it. When you think about eating something bad just think about what it's going to do to you.
4.) You definetly need to lose that damn fat. Lose that before you think about adding mass.
5.) Then just stick with it. It'll be real tough, but it's the best thing that you'll do for yourself.
09-13-2002, 05:16 PM
Thanks orange. Why do you think I should lose the fat first? I would have thought it obvious that I haven't got anything good to look at underneath! Other than I would look aesthetically a lot better than I do Now.
Oh, the other thing, I have shaved this off before. It comes back with a vengeance. Id ideally like to get the rug off permanantly. Any clues?
09-13-2002, 06:54 PM
How about you shut the hell up and start cutting? Get a diet together, eat enough protein and good carbs, and you wont lose muscle, in fact, you might actually gain it if you're vigilant on the diet. Fat guys like us really have to stick to it man, I know it sucks. WORK YOUR ASS OFF and it will show. Your muscles will get tighter and stronger even if you're losing fat, they may not get huge bit they will always appear fuller and more healthy, even if they're not huge. Cut down to maybe 10-13% bf and then maintain for a few weeks before bulking up.
I wont dis you for tanning, I've always got a good pair of sleeves on my arms, and I aint talkin fabric. I tan so easily and barely ever burn, I sit out in the sun in a tshirt witha wifebeater underneath, and the next day I have extremely sharp, distinct lines from both the tshirt on my neck and arms, then on my chest and shoulders from the wifebeater. Its rediculous. Anyways....
09-13-2002, 07:11 PM
Hey, chill! I'm not after a quick fix or aiming to get like Yates by next week. I know it's gonna take hard work and dedication. Once I get paid on monday I'm going shopping, for chicken and other 'healthy' foods. My nan is gonna show me how to cook the food properly, so I don't poison myself in the long run.
Once I got my program and diet sorted, then I'll be fine. But I can't do anything at 1am can I? hahahaha.
I just got rid of the rug, so I'm a couple of lbs lighter now. LOL. My only fear is that next time it grows back, it'll be a carpet.
Well, I'm gonna post more pics of myself down to 'Christmas'. There is DEFINITELY gonna be a difference. There are far too many lads out here aged 17 - 20 that make me look so unhealthy, it's unreal. I gotta at least destroy this fat in the gym.
I'll keep ya posted.
09-13-2002, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by TerraChyld
There are far too many lads out here aged 17 - 20 that make me look so unhealthy, it's unreal. I gotta at least destroy this fat in the gym.
Do not compare yourself with others....just continually strive to be the best YOU can be...
Congratulations for having the courage to post your pics:clap:. They are going to make sensational "before" pics.... I have some awesome before pics, had some taken a week ago and can't wait until Xmas to show my progress either...
Now that you are now accountable you need to have some clearly defined outcomes and get passionate about your purpose - believe me, it will juice you:D... So, enough talking and start taking ACTION.
Have you thought about starting a journal so you can guage your progress...??
09-13-2002, 08:44 PM
i agree with the others.
(btw i wasn't trying to be "nice" i was being constructively critical - you don't wanna see me unconstructively critical. *lol*)
anyways..i agree with the others that fat loss should be your first goal.
a couple of things....that belly fat tells me you eat alot of carbs in the forms of starches and sugars....(and beer?). you will want to re-evaluate your choises of carbs and try to stay away from the reifned ones.
you will also want to get adequate protein and good healthy fats.
secondly...your gonna have to start squatting bud. seriously. go heavy with low reps. (the reason isay this is because squats target the most muscles in one full swoop) deadlifts are another exercise that does that. but squats ill put some meat on your legs, and have the added bonus of causing enough microtrauma to your muscle fibers so that you rev your metabolism into burning that fat
if you train right and eat right, you will put muscle on (not loads, mind) but enough that your metabolism will rev a little higher, and will help you burn that fat off easier.
as for why you can't see your muscles when not flexed, that's a bodyfat issue as well. when you cut the fat off they will be defined unflexed as well.
09-14-2002, 03:35 AM
Well, it's now 9.30am and I've awoken to further messages. It's great that you guys are kind enough not just to say 'christ, you are one fat bastard' and not help me at all.
Tryska, as for not seeing my muscles flexed, I don't think you follow what I meant... It's not a bodyfat thing, I just haven't got ANYTHING on my shoulders. :-) that will change in due time of course.
I know my legs are pencils. Squats huh... I'll add that to the list.
Carbs, well, my carbs come from pasta, pasta and more pasta. I love the stuff. I'm not going to pretend that I haven't eaten crap also, but I recently stopped eating chips. All of a sudden I can't bear to eat fatty foods, it makes me feel sick. So I guess I don't have a problem with sorting my diet out.
I gonna admit though, I have been known to eat my sweets too but again, even though I like em, I can't afford em now. I'm a single dad and my daughter is here all the time, so I've got loads of reasons to get sorted out, it's not just for my sake.
You say 'healthy fats', I thought all fats were bad. Guess I'm going to have to read up on that, do you have any examples of a healthy fat?
09-14-2002, 07:10 AM
Good luck with your progress. In 3 months with good diet and lots of cardio you can lose most of this fat and feel much better with yourself, all you have to do is be dedicated.
09-14-2002, 08:57 AM
Just wanted to give you the big ole :thumbup: for posting some pics and wanting to make improvements! Like Tryska said, we are all trying to make progress to be the best we can be and I think this was a great starting point! And you've come to the right place to get help and pointers:)
09-14-2002, 09:00 AM
Thanks Savannah! It's appreciated. I've also posted my first section to 'journal of a fat git'. Also, I'd also like to point out that I've bumped into Seanilles online, and spoken to him about co-posting. We have a similar build, similar weight and similar height. It would be interesting to see how we both improve whilst training at the same time. Something to go for there. Hope to speak to you all again real soon.
09-14-2002, 02:22 PM
well...you might wanna work on that pasta business my friend. pasta (the enriched wheat kind) is bascially sugar and starch. might wanna look at switching out for whole grains, perhaps whole wheat pasta, oats, brown rice, that kinda thing.
and no ALL Fats are not bad. Transfaty acids (such as partially hydrolyzed ~insert type of veg oil here~) are very bad, and found in most processed foods. those are definitely bad.
but monunsaturated, polyunsaturated and essential fatty acids are not bad. even cholesterol is not bad. You need fats in your diet to maintain hormonal balance. Actually if you look for articles in nutrtion, you will find an article on fats by The_Chicken_Daddy. Very infromative article.
imo eating high carb, high fat foods (such as chips or crisps) can do quite a bit of damage, but it's not fat that is inrinsically evil.
a good diet, imo, should ahve a least 30% fat in it, coming from naturally occuring sources. Ie, olive oil, nuts and seeds, and eggs, fatty fish (salmon, mackerel) and lean meats.
09-14-2002, 02:46 PM
damn, I knew I wanted help with my diet for some reason...
09-14-2002, 02:56 PM
I have found that a good way to stop eating so many crap carbs is to give up wheat. You may want to look into this.
09-15-2002, 12:46 AM
as edgarmex' quote quotes me:
don't bitch - be a man.
you got 30lb u want to lose? get your ass into the gym and work out, stop posting here pitying yourself for being out of shape and giving yourself credit for posting the pictures.
yes you're out of shape, and yes you got a couple of small balls for posting the pics, but jesus christ get over it.
stop whining like a little baby with your "you're just trying to make me feel better". - yes we ARE just trying to make you feel better because we (or at least i) see you as a whiny little bitching needing support..
****, you're worse than my girlfriend.
now cancel your account with WBB, read all the topics in Training/Diet and Nutrition, go to the gym, run like a jew running from the nazis, and visit us in 2 months with a different MAN-LIKE attitude.
09-15-2002, 07:03 AM
Hey, I'm not looking for pity, I'm not asking for you to insult my intelligence either. I made it clear what my goals are, I know when I'm to start training. I know when I'll be sorting my diet. As far as I'm concerned I'm 90% there.
Damn, I hate it when people don't read all my posts before making a decision that i'm 'bitching'. I've got a lot to work for, I've also got damn good reasons for doing this. This forum is a good way to express how I feel about getting into shape and I'm using it as such.
Complain? damn, bro.
I didn't see anything wrong with getting to know the guys and gals here at wbb. Yes I've made a few posts asking questions and talking in general about why I've made my decision. I'm interested to find out what motivates people to want to change their body.
By the way, my balls are not 'small'. :-)
Sorry if you think I'm just 'whining' and 'not MAN-LIKE' enough for you. I have a daughter bro, I'm all the man I'll ever be.
hmmm from what i've worked out, i've got about 40lbs to lose. At 3.5 lbs a week, I suppose I could get sorted in say 12 weeks. Ideal.
Spawn, I like your attitude. I'd love to have you as a training partner. You'd motivate me enough to set off a mean rush of adrenaline to bring out the Incredible Hulk in me... hahahah
09-15-2002, 09:39 AM
09-15-2002, 09:43 AM
Keto... ? wasn't that a character out of 'green hornet' starring Bruce Lee? Or was that Kato?
What is this zwarrior?
09-15-2002, 10:21 AM
yup.. i'd slap you silly until you'd do that extra set...
I'd turn you into a ninja in a matter of months.
09-15-2002, 10:31 AM
"Come train with me, let's train, blast out a set...
let's see that weight go high as it can get...
I'm never gonna to stop, my muscles gonna pop...
I'm gonna keep on going till I can't no more!..."
TerraChyld rendition of 'come fly with me'.
09-15-2002, 10:56 AM
you did the first step of getting in shape, you seemed to understand you need to start eating better and excersing. lots of cardio, like and eliptical trainer would be good. congrats and good luck
09-15-2002, 11:02 AM
hate ot bust a bubble, but 3.5 lbs a week is quite unrealistic. you'll likely lose more than that your first couple of weeks, but that's mostly letting water go. when you get tot he real fatloss, you're looking at 1-2 lbs a week, more realistically. remember this is NOT a race. it took years to put that fat on, it will take time to take it off. i'm worried that if you aim tot ake it of as fast a spossible, you will a. lose your enthusiasm and give up when it doesn't go as planned, or b. do more damage to yourself int he form of muscle catabolism, and plateauing by taking unhealthy steps to take it off. this is a lifestyle change and a commitment. it's a very subtle process.
09-15-2002, 11:19 AM
really? I was under the impression that 3.5lbs per week was normal?! Well, even if it is 1.5lbs it will take bummer... a lot longer. hahaha. Fair enough. It did take 2.5 years to put this weight on.
Yeah, I know it isn't a race, I honestly thought that losing up to 4lbs was normal. So if 1 - 2lbs fatloss per week is right, what is the healthy rate to put lean mass on?
I can definitely see it taking a few years before I start to look anything remotely like what I'm wanting.
My plan is to post the same photos every month and lets hope you guys see a difference.
09-15-2002, 04:15 PM
Terra, Don't mind Spawn, the humor in this group is such that we are compelled to give everyone a ration of sh|t with the advice and encouragement.
1) I'd bet at least half the folks on this board have looked like you do (I did!) so you're perfectly normal.
2) read a book on the Zone by Barry Sears. Then just try to change your eating habits a little. You don't need to follow his prescription exactly, but you'll learn a lot about important things like glycemic index, good vs. bad fats, balancing what you eat and you'll get tremendous success with just that little knowledge and trying to eat better.
3) you get on a good strength training routine while watching what you eat and you'll be amazed at how fast you'll look better. You may not drop pounds too fast though, but that's OK. Your belt will keep coming in.
4) about 3 months from now, after reading here a lot, you can really start to get anally retentive about your exercise and your diet. Right now, you'll see great success because you're starting. Enjoy this period. After you shed the first few pounds of fat and put on a little muscle, things will slow down a lot. That's also normal.
09-15-2002, 04:20 PM
Thanks JohnC that's appreciated! I'll also look that book up that you've mentioned. Are there any online books that I can read? Preferably ones that I don't have to pay for?
09-15-2002, 07:25 PM
You can find some stuff about the Zone Diet at their website, but it's crawling with ads for their stuff. It's easier to get the book.
The main point is you need to move away from highly processed carbs (white flour) to whole grain products and fruits and vegetables. Eating pasta is like eating candy--thirty minutes after a plate of spaghetti, your bloodstream is so loaded with sugars, you may as well have eaten candy bars. Fruits and vegetables and, to a lesser extent, whole grain products, are harder for the body to break down, which is good.
Then you gotta have enough protein. All carbs is no good. Then you gotta add some "good" fats, from nuts and olives and olive oil and fatty fish.
If you just start eating less carbs in total (based on your picture, I agree with Tryska, you eat way too much carbs) AND move to whole grains and apples, pears, grapes, cantaloupe and such, and you strength train 3X each week, you're gonna be ecstatic with the results. That's becaues the results will come fast and furious for someone at your stage.
You can learn how to tweak this all over the next several months, but, frankly, it ain't necessary for you right now. At your stage, "close enough" is good enough. I'd get that zone book, it's a veritable nutritional education written largely in layman's language. You wont' regret it.
09-15-2002, 08:19 PM
your calves look good the rest well, you have some work ahead of you, but don't worry about it we all have to start somewhere.
09-16-2002, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by JohnCollins
Terra, Don't mind Spawn, the humor in this group is such that we are compelled to give everyone a ration of sh|t with the advice and encouragement.
yes.. and i make that sacrifice for the board.
bash people then go under moderation..
i love you guys.. :)
09-16-2002, 09:12 PM
thanks fellas... much appreciated. What'd be great is finding a guy to train with who is the embodyment of knowledge in this line of workout. Take me under his wing that sort of thing. Damn, I was better being told what to do in the army!
Anyone know of any guys like that where I live? ahhahahaha
09-16-2002, 11:49 PM
check out a gay bar.
no seriously - i found out that a LOT of homosexual males are into working out and staying in shape...
they also make great friends (just draw the line between friendship and relationship to'em so they don't mistake it..).
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