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Blindfaith
11-12-2002, 02:01 AM
for any of you guys who want to know more about a ckd (keto) diet...this should get you going!

The Cyclical Ketogenic Diet: True Fat Loss

In recent media, low carbohydrate diets have been THE fad for almost everybody in America wanting to lose weight. From your secretaries, elementary school teachers, and desk clerks, to bodybuilders, models, actresses, and athletes.

However, there is a huge difference between those who follow an Atkins plan and those who follow a cyclical ketogenic diet (CKD). Atkins is a low carb plan for those who are quite sedentary, walk maybe 3 times a week at the most, and just follow normal everyday activities. So forget Atkins here. The CKD is for those whoís main concern is true fat loss and muscle preservationómuscle for sports and high intensity activities.

My opinion for those who practice Atkins is that while they do lose fat, there is much water loss and most importantly muscle loss. Something we athletes do not want. A CKD is a true fat loss diet that works undeniably, if followed properly and strictly. Yes, low carb diets can be hell at first, but after two to three weeks, there have been anecdotal reports from many dieters that the cravings for carbohydrates decrease. This route to fat burning is unlike any traditional diet all the low-fat diet authors and FDA people have been advocating in history.

I got turned onto this diet a few years back when I got tired of cutting fat and still not being able to lose those last percentage points of bodyfat without losing hard earned muscle. I would start a low-fat diet, and be a either a social misfit (not going out with my friends to party or not going out to eat). Or in the worse case, feel so deprived of delicious junk foods I missed and bail out on the diet all together. One advantage to this diet is that there is no true restrictions on food. One may eat anything labeled a "food"! Well, almost. Iíll explain later.

How the diet works.

The science behind the CKD is simple. Carbohydrates in the diet cause an insulin (a "storage" hormone) output in the pancreas. It is used to store glycogen, amino acids into muscles, while causing excess calories to be stored as fat. So common sense asks me, "How can one try to break down fat, when your body is in a storage-type mode?" Difficult to do, indeed. That is why it makes perfect sense for step one to be cutting carbs.

The next thing that happens in your body is the rise in catecholamines (a "fat mobilizing" hormone), cortisol (a "breakdown" hormone), and growth hormone. Now your body realizes thereís no more carbs to burn for energy, so it must find another energy source: fat.

This usually happens during a metabolic condition called "ketosis." This is when your liver is out of glycogen and starts to produce ketones (by-products of fatty acids). You can check your status of whether or not you are in ketosis with urinalysis strips you can pick up at any local drug store called "Ketostix." Just urinate and see if it turns color. If so, you have ketones in the urine.

When the body is fed fat and protein, it will use dietary fat along with bodyfat for energy with protein going towards repair.

As a side note, there is another reason why this diet makes the most sense to use while keeping muscle. When one follows a high carbohydrate, low-fat, reduced-calorie diet, thereís a point when some bodyfat is burned, but when the body is still in a carbohydrate burning metabolism while trying to lose "weight," it will strip down precious body protein to convert to glucose for energy.

On the other hand, during fat metabolism, protein cannot be converted into free-fatty acids for energy. Although there is no scientific research done on this, there have been reports from followers that there truly is a "protein-sparing" effect. It makes sense doesnít it? Where else would the body look for fat energy when all dietary fat is burned? Bodyfat.

Diet Requirements Mon. to Fri.

The phrase "working smarter, not harder" applies here more than any diet one has tried. One must fully understand what they must do in order to optimize their goal. To set a CKD up, one cannot just expect to cut all carbs in the diet, train hard, and lose fat! Although some have come up with variations to this plan, the one stated in this article, I have found, has worked for myself (it got me to 6% BF), and other clients Iíve trained to the leanest, hardest theyíve ever been.

First, to set up the diet, write down your lean mass weight. Not your total weight, dough boy. If you weigh 200, but have 20% bodyfat, your lean mass weight would be around 160 pounds. Multiply this by one, getting your grams of protein requirements for a day. Make sure you eat at least one gram of protein/pound of lean mass! This is important in recovery from workouts and enough nitrogen retention to keep muscle. Next, multiply by four, to get your protein calories. Here, it is 640.

The rest of your caloric requirements for the day should be fat. Here is the catch: you must eat fat to burn fat. Thereís no way around it. There are many advantages to dietary fat on this diet: Feeling of fullness since fat digestion is slow (less hunger), tastes great, and lowers blood glucose levels (lowering insulin and allow all the fat burning hormones to do their job).

So how much fat? I always recommend starting out with a 500 calorie deficit from your maintenance calories. If you donít know, it is usually 15 times body weight (full body weight here) depending on an individuals metabolic rate. So here, the example would need 3000 calories a day to maintain weight, and 2500 calories to begin fat loss.

2500 minus 640 (protein calories) is 1860 which works out to be around 206 fat grams a day. Now as you go deeper into the diet, and find the need to restrict calories more, you must cut fat calories, not protein.

The Weekend Carb Load

Since muscle glycogen is the main source of energy for anaerobic exercise such as weight training, we cannot simply deplete all stores while working out and not fill them back up. If that does happen, be rest-assured that the body WILL use protein for fuel then. But this wonít happen on the CKD.

Your one and a half days of "freedom" allow you to do two things: First, reward your carb cravings from the previous days, allowing you to enjoy pleasures like pizza, pasta, breads, etc. Second, eating these things are physiologically rewarding as insulin levels run high, storing amino acids and carbs, as glycogen, into the depleted muscle allowing you to be able to workout again the following week.

Your "carb-up" should begin Friday night and last until around midnight Saturday. Now the next important issue to address is how many carbs. Some lucky individuals find that they eat whatever they want for the 24-30 hour time interval and receive perfect glycogen compensation, while others rely on a better statistical number.

What has been recommended by other authors of the CKD is 10-12 grams of carbs per kilogram of lean mass. Again, time to do math. Our example had 160 pounds of lean mass, so divide that by the conversion factor of 2.2, and we get roughly 73 kg.

100 Grams of easily digested liquid carbs along with around half as many grams of carbs in protein (here 50) as a whey shake or something of that nature should be taken right after the last workout (which I will address in the workout section of the article) when insulin sensitivity will be at its greatest.

A few hours later this individual will start to spread the remaining 630 grams of carbs, along with the important number of 160 grams of protein (remember, keep this constant) during the remainder of the compensation period.

So what about dietary fat? I know youíre reminding yourself, "Didnít this guy mention pizza?" Yes, I did. And hereís why. During the first 24-30 hours of carbing up, the body will use all dietary carbohydrates to refill glycogen, protein for rebuilding, and get this: fat for energy. Still?

Just like the previous five and a half days. Makes sense. When all the carbohydrates are being used for more important functions (muscle), what else is there to be used? However, you canít just eat all the fat you want. Keep grams of fat intake below your body weight in kilograms. Again, here our example will keep is fat below 73 during the carb-fest.

By anecdotal reports, this should keep fat regain minimal to nil. Keeping fat intake extremely low has even caused some extra fat burning during the carb up!

As stated before, some dietary fat should be eaten to slow digestion and keep sugar levels stable. Whether it be saturated, unsaturated, or essential fats, is the dieterís decision. All have nine calories per gram. (Note: there is a claim that essential fatty acids such as flax seed oil increase insulin sensitivity within the muscle cells, in turn, increasing glycogen intake.)

In Case You Missed It

So hereís how it breaks down during the week: Sunday through Friday afternoon , you will follow the low carb diet outlined above. Eat fat and protein all day everyday except on workout days because after workouts, you will need to consume strictly just proteinóno fat or carbs.

Some have found to enjoy a protein shake afterwards because they are easily digested. Do whatever works for you. But fat is not logical since you want the protein to fuel the healing process as quickly as possible and fat will only slow it down.

Friday afternoon, around two hours before your last workout of the week, eat two to three pieces of fruit. This will get your body/liver ready to start the carb loading and give you some energy for that final, dreadful workout (trust me, during the first few weeks, you will not want to do that final workout, but you must). Then from Friday night until Saturday at midnight or until bed, eat those carbs!

Blindfaith
11-12-2002, 02:02 AM
HERE IS THE REST OF THE ARTICLE


CKD Workout

Now, the question is, how do we workout to optimize muscle preservation and keep our metabolism up while dieting? Before we get into that, one must realize that during any dieting scheme there is one thing that must be done, and one thing that must not be done.

First, you must keep training volume lower than your usual routine. Overtraining is probably the number one killer in motivation, it deprives sleep, and hinders fat loss.

Second, you must not fall into the myth of lighter weights with higher reps. You got your muscle by benching 240, and you have to bench 240 to keep that same muscle! Or at least around that area! Okay, now that we have that established, hereís what we do:

On Monday and Tuesday we will work our weaker body parts, rest or cardio on Wednesday and Thursday mornings, Thursday do our strongest body parts, and Friday a combination of the Monday/Tuesday workouts in a loop format. The workout I have found to work optimally for myself and my clients is this:

(Note: You may feel free to tweak, shake, and turn this example upside down.

Everybody is different, so find what works for you.)

MONDAY: Chest, Back, Abs

High intensity workouts with 60 sec rest between sets, 90 sec rest between

each exercise

(this excludes all warm up sets)

Bench 3 sets, 6-10 reps

T-bar Row 3 sets, 6-10 reps

Incline bench 3 sets, 6-10 reps

Latpulldown to front 3 sets, 6-10 reps

Dips or Decline bench 3 sets, 6-10 reps

Shrugs 3 sets, 6-10 reps

Flys (any type) 2 sets, 10-12 reps

Reverse flys 2 sets, 10-12 reps

Stiff-leg deadlift 3 sets, 10-12 reps

Rope ab crunch 3 sets, 10-15 reps

Reverse crunch 3 sets, 10-20 reps

TUESDAY: Shoulders, Arms

Same intensity mentioned before

Behind the neck shoulder press 3 sets, 8-10 reps

Military press 3 sets, 8-10 reps

Preacher curls 3 sets, 8-10 reps

French press or "skull-crushers" 3 sets, 8-10 reps

Shoulder raises (any type) 2 sets, 8-10 reps

Hammers 3 sets, 8-10 reps

V-bar tricep press 3 sets, 8-10 reps

Forearm curls 2 sets, 8-10 reps

Reverse forearm curls 2 sets, 8-10 reps

Wednesday: Rest or Cardio

Thursday morning: Rest or Cardio

Later on Thursday: Legs

Same intensity mentioned before

Squat or Leg press 4 sets, 6-10 reps

Lying leg curl 4 sets, 6-10 reps

Standing calf raise 4 sets 6-10 reps

Leg extensions 4 sets, 10-12 reps

Seated leg curl 4 sets, 10-12 reps

Seated calf raise 4 sets, 10-12 reps

Friday night: Final Workout

Same intensity mentioned before

Bench 2 sets, 6-10 reps

T-bar Row 2 sets, 6-10 reps

Incline bench 2 sets, 6-10 reps

Latpulldown to front 2 sets, 6-10 reps

Behind the neck shoulder press 1 set, 8-10 reps

Military press 1 set, 8-10 reps

Either curl exercise 2 sets, 8-10 reps

Either tricep exercise 2 sets, 8-10 reps

Stiffleg deadift 1 set, 8-10 reps

Normal floor ab crunch 2 sets, 10-20 reps

Reverse crunches 2 sets, 10-20 reps

Start the carb up for 24-30 hours!


Aerobics

Before we go on, I want to address the cardio/aerobics issue. Some people find that for the first month on a CKD, cardio/aerobics is not needed. However when fat loss does start to slow down a bit, that is when most start adding 30 min. sessions on their off days. Be careful though, you do not want to hinder your Thursday leg workout. So experiment and try to only add aerobic sessions if you feel you have to.

Supplements

So we have the basic diet outline stated, the workout, now what about supplements? Things that can extremely optimize this diet regime. Well, I have to admit no allegiance to any supplement company on this one: Water. Water is important on any diet, especially low carb since there is a diuretic effect, and more importantly during the carbing period. Glycogen is stored with water! You need as much water as possible to hydrate the depleted muscle. Trust me, you will feel a huge "pump" on Sunday morning from all the stored carbs and water INSIDE your muscle.

Speaking of muscle, the god of all sports supplement right now: Creatine. It can still be used on a low carb diet. Usually 10 grams a day during the low carb days, and around 20-30 grams during the carbing period should work for most everybody. I highly recommend it for everybody who doesnít get an upset stomach using it.

Finally, one that everyone thatís dieted before knows about: The ECA stack. Most have not used pure ECA, but mainly herbal extracts in thermogenic products sold by sports supplement companies. For a pre-work out boost and increased fat burning through thermogenics (heat), this is my favorite supplement. It does its job, you feel it happening, and it can help you psychologically when you donít feel like working out that day.

Conclusion

With all this said, I will throw my personal opinion, thanks and motivation on or for the cyclical ketogenic diet. First of all, to me, it is the greatest diet every developed. It makes sense, works and isnít as hard to follow as one might think. Just stay motivated and concentrate on your goal.

When you have a craving during the week for that cupcake or pasta, just go eat a delicious serving of some pepperoni and melted mozzarella cheese. Or how about a hamburger patty covered in cheddar cheese and some strips of bacon? Foods that are delicious and that can satiate hunger.

I followed this exact plan this past summer for eight weeks and loss 18 pounds of fat without any loss in muscle. It was the leanest and most vascular I had ever seen myself.

And I must give thanks where thanks are due since I did not come up with this diet. Dan Duchaine, who recently passed away, brought my attention to a CKD with his book BodyOpus and Lyle McDonald has done deep research and wrote his book The Ketogenic Diet: A Complete Guide for the Dieter and Practitioner.

This diet can be for you. Oh youíre only a mass builder? Well, lower bodyfat percentages even make you look bigger! Give it some thought and decide. Then achieve your goal. Itís worth it: A diet with true fat loss.

Blindfaith
11-12-2002, 02:08 AM
here are some good websites to checkout:

http://low-carb.org/
http://low-carb.org/faq/
http://www.theketogenicdiet.com/
http://www.metabolicdiet.com/
http://atkinscenter.com/
http://www.getzoned.com.au/Glycaemic_vs_Insulin_Index.htm
http://www.healthyeatingclub.com/info/articles/diseases/glycaemic-index.htm

hope this helps you guys out!

cheers,
Blindfaith

Shao-LiN
11-12-2002, 02:47 AM
Article on the wannabebig site as well.

Tank23
11-12-2002, 03:53 AM
is a CKD compatible with HST???

I was thinking about doing a CKD, but then the whole training structure put me off it, coz i'm doing HST, and I really can't do a mon,tues, thurs, fri routine coz of this.

_-_v_-_
11-12-2002, 08:21 AM
That routine is bunk, IMO.

raniali
11-12-2002, 11:27 AM
I did a CKD throughout the summer - this routine is WAYYY too much training on carb restriction. I'd like to see someone do legs at a high intensity after 4 days without carbs.

Silverback
11-12-2002, 12:12 PM
this was the article on bodybuilding.com did you write it yourself?

if so it was a great help on me starting keto :)

bradley
11-12-2002, 12:31 PM
I agree with Raniali, too much volume. I would do an upper body/lower body split on Mon/Tues and a depletion workout on Friday.

Blindfaith
11-12-2002, 01:42 PM
you dont have to do the training routine...its just an example of what some guys like to do....do whatever kinda program you wish...its just that alot of people dont know what kind of program they should do while doing a keto diet...its purely for an example...if you choose to follow it then giver ****e...if not than dont worry about it!

Paul Stagg
11-12-2002, 01:57 PM
Did you write that article?

There are several errors and oversimplifications in it.

Also, if you didn't write it, you should credit the person who did.

Blood&Iron
11-12-2002, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Tank23
is a CKD compatible with HST???

I was thinking about doing a CKD, but then the whole training structure put me off it, coz i'm doing HST, and I really can't do a mon,tues, thurs, fri routine coz of this.
Read this for some ideas:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=HST+and+CKD+Lyle+McDonald+group:misc.fitness.weights&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3C446A77.6B3C7D0F%40onr.com&rnum=3

Blindfaith
11-12-2002, 06:45 PM
and what "oversimplifications" might there be??? plz enlighten me!

Shark
11-12-2002, 08:35 PM
Funny that you still have not said if you wrote the article... tuttut

Blindfaith
11-12-2002, 08:43 PM
i did not write this article...it was writen by Kakdiesel from Elitefitness.com

I have been following this article and way of cutting off and on for about a year and a half.

On other boards many people have been struggling with this diet and i thought that i should post it here if anyone had any inclinations of giving this type of diet a try...that is also why i gave out several links to other sources so that people could get other opinions or styles of this kind of diet.

i just wanted to add something...if you want to debate this issue further than send me a PM...lets not waste board space on this.

But if you have any questions on how to do the ckd or any kind of low carb diet i will do my best to answer them or im sure some of you knowledgable folks out there could too!

And for the record one more time...I DID NOT WRITE THIS ARTICLE!

cheers

perfecto
11-12-2002, 09:05 PM
Nah thanx for that article blindfaith and those links, much appreciated and very detailed :)

Tank23
11-13-2002, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by Blood&Iron

Read this for some ideas:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=HST+and+CKD+Lyle+McDonald+group:misc.fitness.weights&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3C446A77.6B3C7D0F%40onr.com&rnum=3

thanks mate

Paul Stagg
11-13-2002, 10:02 AM
BBing.com will pretty much put anything up as an article, won't they?

The following statements are either incorrect or oversimplified:

My opinion for those who practice Atkins is that while they do lose fat, there is much water loss and most importantly muscle loss.

One advantage to this diet is that there is no true restrictions on food. One may eat anything labeled a "food"!

When the body is fed fat and protein, it will use dietary fat along with bodyfat for energy with protein going towards repair.

As a side note, there is another reason why this diet makes the most sense to use while keeping muscle. When one follows a high carbohydrate, low-fat, reduced-calorie diet, thereís a point when some bodyfat is burned, but when the body is still in a carbohydrate burning metabolism while trying to lose "weight," it will strip down precious body protein to convert to glucose for energy.

Your one and a half days of "freedom" allow you to do two things: First, reward your carb cravings from the previous days, allowing you to enjoy pleasures like pizza, pasta, breads, etc.

So what about dietary fat? I know youíre reminding yourself, "Didnít this guy mention pizza?" Yes, I did. And hereís why. During the first 24-30 hours of carbing up, the body will use all dietary carbohydrates to refill glycogen, protein for rebuilding, and get this: fat for energy. Still?

Just like the previous five and a half days. Makes sense. When all the carbohydrates are being used for more important functions (muscle), what else is there to be used? However, you canít just eat all the fat you want. Keep grams of fat intake below your body weight in kilograms. Again, here our example will keep is fat below 73 during the carb-fest.

So hereís how it breaks down during the week: Sunday through Friday afternoon , you will follow the low carb diet outlined above. Eat fat and protein all day everyday except on workout days because after workouts, you will need to consume strictly just proteinóno fat or carbs.



If you want to learn about keto dieting, get Lyle's book.

Blindfaith
11-13-2002, 03:39 PM
sure you cut and pasted a couple of paragraphs...at least make an arguement about them to back yourself up...this may not be exactly what lyle has in his book...but not everyone has a credit card and is willing to pay 30 bones for it.

Paul Stagg
11-13-2002, 03:59 PM
If someone can not clearly communicate or doesn't understand the basics of how and why the diet is effective, they shouldn't be writing articles where they try to do so.

Blindfaith
11-14-2002, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by Paul Stagg
If someone can not clearly communicate or doesn't understand the basics of how and why the diet is effective, they shouldn't be writing articles where they try to do so.

thats great Paul! but what is your argument?!?!?! You think the article is simplistic etc etc! you did a great job cutting and pasting a few paragraphs...now make your point already!

Pup
11-14-2002, 11:15 AM
Paul pretty much nailed it...but i want to add something, you can train legs at a high intensity with little to no carbs, it just takes adjustment, i know this because i'm doing it.

Paul Stagg
11-14-2002, 11:26 AM
My point? That there are mistakes and oversimplifications in teh article. I gave examples.

That was my point.

If you want to find clearer explanations, I suggest you do some reading on the web - I'd suggest finding stuff written by Lyle. There are also some CKD articles on wannabebig.com.

I'm not going to rewrite the article to fix it.

Blindfaith
11-14-2002, 02:10 PM
trust me bro...i know my **** when it comes to the ckd...ive been doing it for quite awhile and i do own a copy of Lyle's book....i posted this for a resource. This article gives the basics of the diet and an example program....thats all...it was not meant to delve deep into the essential foundations and intricacies of the diet.

Alot of people on other boards are curious about the diet....so i posted this article...it gives the basics of the diet and that is all its meant for.

Paul Stagg
11-14-2002, 02:46 PM
There are far better resources out there for someone looking for the basics of CKDs.

That's all I'm saying.

Blindfaith
11-14-2002, 11:10 PM
and thats why i also included about 5 or 6 links to other sites for those who wanted more info and other opinions etc.

and if you know of any other resources that are better than what i have posted...why dont you post some stuff! i wouldnt mind seeing some other resources for myself. You can never have too much information.

cheers

Paul Stagg
11-15-2002, 09:20 AM
www.solid.net/lowcarb (I don't know if this link still works or not)

www.wannabebig.com (nutrition articles)

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-15-2002, 10:14 AM
http://low-carb.org/lylemcd/

Maki Riddington
11-15-2002, 07:39 PM
The last two links are the best ones so far.

Roxie
11-15-2002, 08:57 PM
Blindfaith..

Your doing a great job in helping out.....You did great helping me on the other board.


Roxie :)

Blindfaith
11-20-2002, 07:09 PM
thanx Roxie!

oh and by the way...i did post those last few links as well!

FrusWeighted
11-21-2002, 12:05 PM
The program you just described is Dan Duchaine's "Body Opus".


I tried it out a few years ago. I really works when you get it right, but it's ****in' hard to get it right every week. It's really rough on your body.