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kalashnikov83
11-19-2002, 08:29 PM
Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President

by Neil Mackay; Sunday Herald - 15 September 2002; September 17, 2002


A secret blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.

The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'

The PNAC document supports a 'blueprint for maintaining global US pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests'.

This 'American grand strategy' must be advanced for 'as far into the future as possible', the report says. It also calls for the US to 'fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars' as a 'core mission'.

The report describes American armed forces abroad as 'the cavalry on the new American frontier'. The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document written by Wolfowitz and Libby that said the US must 'discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role'.

The PNAC report also:

* refers to key allies such as the UK as 'the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership';
* describes peace-keeping missions as 'demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations'; *
reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA;
* says 'even should Saddam pass from the scene' bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as 'Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has';
* spotlights China for 'regime change' saying 'it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia'. This, it says, may lead to 'American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China';
* calls for the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US;hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: 'New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool'
* and pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system'.

Tam Dalyell, the Labour MP, father of the House of Commons and one of the leading rebel voices against war with Iraq, said:

'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war.

'This is a blueprint for US world domination -- a new world order of their making. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world. I am appalled that a British Labour Prime Minister should have got into bed with a crew which has this moral standing.'

kalashnikov83
11-19-2002, 08:30 PM
http://www.progressive.org/oct02/zinn1002.html check that too

BCC
11-19-2002, 08:47 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

PowerManDL
11-19-2002, 08:50 PM
I agree with the four rolling-eye guys.

steveo
11-19-2002, 08:52 PM
Keep your politics to yourself. What are you trying to do here, inform us.

Man O Steel
11-19-2002, 08:59 PM
I agree. Keep it to yourself. We can all make our own judgements. No need for persuasion.

BCC
11-19-2002, 09:02 PM
More than persuasion. Pure propaganda.

orbital
11-19-2002, 09:04 PM
I remember when this report came out a few months ago. It was reported in the mainstream media, which was unreal in itself, however the reports didn't go into as much detail as this. Thanks for posting it. Its kinda scary when the "vast right wing conspiracy" guys are right.

DoubleGulp
11-19-2002, 09:05 PM
If there's a new world order hopefully you can still buy me a burrito! :eek:

steveo
11-19-2002, 09:05 PM
who are you anyways some sort goverment insider trying brainwash us with political issues.

Are you Al Gore, sore loser.

BCC
11-19-2002, 09:07 PM
heh

GonePostal
11-19-2002, 09:59 PM
Triple p not even close to funny. Plz keep it in good taste.

WillKuenzel
11-19-2002, 10:00 PM
A secret blueprint for US global domination reveals I quit reading after that.

David
11-19-2002, 10:00 PM
I beg you're pardon?

Frozenmoses
11-19-2002, 10:01 PM
How can you not like Buddy Christ?

kalashnikov83
11-20-2002, 12:19 PM
I am not trying to force my opinion on anyone, I just thought some of you would like to read this because it isnt something you will find in the mainstream media. Take from it what you want.

Rastaman
11-20-2002, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by kalashnikov83
I am not trying to force my opinion on anyone, I just thought some of you would like to read this because it isnt something you will find in the mainstream media. Take from it what you want.

Hey, thanks for posting it, I found it interesting. I have no idea why anyone would complain about you posting that? If you're Pro-Bush 4-LIFE just don't read it, ignorance is bliss.

:angel:

G-B
11-20-2002, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Rastaman

ignorance is bliss.

Wow...maybe you should read your own comment.

Rastaman
11-21-2002, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by G-B


Wow...maybe you should read your own comment.


Hyuk, hyuk. GOOD ONE!

:rolleyes:

Delphi
11-21-2002, 10:26 PM
"I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids. - Gen. Jack D. Ripper


Gentlemen, no fighting in the War Room. How I love these conspiracy theories.

TreeTrunks
11-21-2002, 11:19 PM
Is there no rest to the liberal conspiracy theorists?

Is that all liberals can do is speculate? They can't prove anything. Go read "Slander: Liberal Lies" by Ann Coulter.

Delphi, I weep with joy when I read that quote. Very good. Signature material.

kalashnikov83
11-21-2002, 11:20 PM
Well I guess I am a huge communist, that is if communists want to look further into things, not just believe what they read or are told on tv, and most importantly want to keep from having a war that will slaughter thousands.

TreeTrunks
11-21-2002, 11:24 PM
First off you can't be looking too hard into anything if you believe something you read off the internet. Second yeah they'll kill thousands of people, thousands of our enemies. Whats wrong with elimanting the people that want us killed before they have the opportunity to destroy us?

Accipiter
11-21-2002, 11:29 PM
Um, that was a real article, and those quotes were authenticated I believe. I dont' know why everyone's jumping on him.

Actually I do. From psychology: The Just World Theorem. That when presented with information that makes the world seem like it is less of a fair place, we discount it. This is why most of society will treat a rape victim with incredulity at first, for instance. Or several years ago a crowd watching a man beat his girlfriend and throw her off of a bridge. No matter how extreme, we'd rather think someone deserved what they got, or that the rumors we hear about things are false.

TreeTrunks
11-21-2002, 11:31 PM
If this article was factual the more liberal media outlets such as CBS, NBC, and ABC would be all over this article. This is the first I have heard of it.

Delphi
11-21-2002, 11:33 PM
I'm not jumping on him. Just reminded me of some funny lines from Dr Strangelove. It's a Peter Sellers movie from the Cold War days.

_-_v_-_
11-21-2002, 11:36 PM
LMAO. Thanks, Delphi. I needed that.

kalashnikov83
11-21-2002, 11:39 PM
If you look, I said I dont believe everything I read. Thankyou Accipitter yes those quotes were authenticated. And by the way I do not see them as enemies I see them as people the same as me or you. It is the leaders on both sides that are the problem, both of them are terrorists, they both want power and money.

kalashnikov83
11-21-2002, 11:41 PM
Treetrunks I'll let you figure out for yourself why this isn't in the mainstream media.

TreeTrunks
11-21-2002, 11:43 PM
Bush doesn't want any more money, he has no need for money he's rich as is. Power? He's the leader of the free world, thats about as powerful as you can get.

If you don't beleive the article why post it?

TreeTrunks
11-21-2002, 11:45 PM
I know this isn't the mainstream media. But if it were factual all the more liberal media outlets would love to jump on that article and present it in there news shows. So far it hasn't.

orbital
11-21-2002, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by TreeTrunks
If this article was factual the more liberal media outlets such as CBS, NBC, and ABC would be all over this article. This is the first I have heard of it.

Either AP or Reuters (can't remember which one) did a story about this when it first came out, so yes, the mainstream press did cover it. From what I saw they did not go into this much detail though.

The article quotes and paraphrases a report written in the Fall of 2000 for several of the current key players in the Bush administration by a research institute, Project for the New American Century. Now, unless they are simply making this report up and publically committing gross journalistic malpractice it would seem that the article is in fact, factual. Take whatever you want from the article but to dismiss it as non-factual doesn't make much sense.

TreeTrunks
11-21-2002, 11:53 PM
Find it from AP and/or Reuters and i'll shut up. I find it hard to believe that liberal journalist (who will report anything to bash a republican president) have not reported it on the big 3 networks. Republican journalists do the same.

orbital
11-22-2002, 12:23 AM
You know I can't seem to find it as an AP or Reuters story. And the majors, NBC, CNN, NyTimes don't yield a trace of its existence either. I must have been thinking of another report, I stand corrected. Even better reason to post something like this then, the mainstream media has seemingly stonewalled this story.

The actual document can be dl'ed in PDF format at:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Interestingly, if you check out the "project participants" at the end of the report it lists Lewis Libby and Paul Wolfowitz, two of the people that the Herald story lists the report as being drawn up for! lol, now thats the way to get some independent input!

TreeTrunks
11-22-2002, 01:09 AM
wow thanks for the research man. That is odd that the story never made it that far. :scratch: Maybe there going to wait and do a big feature on it *shrug*

Rastaman
11-22-2002, 01:18 AM
Nevermind.

orbital
11-22-2002, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by TreeTrunks
wow thanks for the research man. That is odd that the story never made it that far. :scratch: Maybe there going to wait and do a big feature on it *shrug*

Heh, just a google search, not really research. Big feature, lol, I wouldn't hold my breath. Obviously the story looks bad on some members of the Bush administration. You would think that somewhere, even as a last page filler story, a responsible media would have reported on this.