EQ\dbol cycle-ST,others respond

[tony touch]

how does this sound for a 2nd cycle:

weeks 1-10: 400 mg of EQ
weeks 1-5: 30 mg of dbol per day
weeks 10-13: 10mg od dbol A.M. only
finish up w\clomid therapy


goals are to bulk up and put on some hardcore muscle.

currently 5'5 170. hope to hit about 185 with this but if i can squeeze more outa of it, the better.

question is, should i stick with the EQ or should i wait and grab test.

[the doc]

i am not an expert here but i think there should be some test there or aren't you going to have some sexual problems until your normal test is restored right?

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

I would run a cycle like this:
weeks 1-10 500mg of Sust or Enanthate
weeks 1-10 300-400mg of EQ
weeks 1-4 (or 5 if you really want) 30mg d-bol ED
weeks 1-14 Arimidex at .5mg EOD
Then your basic post-cycle therapy 2weeks HCG then 3 weeks Clomid.

I see no point in running the D-bol at the end of the cycle it probably just bloat you up more then anything. I ain't no expert though

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

See me and the DOC are on the same page here

[Severed Ties]

I don't really like EQ and dbol together from a blood pressure stand point. I'd prefer Test to the dbol, even at a low dose like 250mg/week. You avoid any liver or sexual complications and the rate of aromatization is probably slightly less.

ST

[tony touch]

sexual side effects wit EQ really aren't something to worry about. i can see where u are coming from with the EQ and dbol blood pressure side effects point of view tho. def. something to consider.

i might just drop the EQ and go with test\dbol

o by the way, the little dbol bridge at the end, is to help maintain mass during the 3 weeks after my last shot. 10 mg in the morning is enough for maintence and shouldn't supress a healing system too much

[tony touch]

o by the way, the dbol at the end works if anyboy was wondering. tried and true

[tony touch]

http://www.musclezine.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=2562

[tony touch]

this is a copy-paste from another board (special thanks to hhajdo for the help ) and was written by fonz

The Dianabol Bridge Explained
by Fonz

I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.

Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.

Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.

The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest?

Answer: In the AM thats when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

Lets take Subject X.

He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.



He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

Here is where things get interesting.

The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)

5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.

Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, here's the scenario summed up:

Beginning: LOW LH and test.

Adding the 10mgs dball.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.