My next cycle Look Out!!!

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

Alright Bro's I got the bulk of my cycle together I am going to give you guys an idea of what I am going to do and you come clean it up for me. Also despite my low T levels I am going on with this cycle and am just going to post-cycle my ass off afterwards. My current states are 6'2 248lbs 17%BF this will be my third cycle

Weeks 1-10: 1,250mg of Pakistan Sust for the first 2 weeks then 750mg every week after that.
Weeks 1-10: 1,000mg of Blacklabel EQ first 2 weeks then 500mg every week after that.
Weeks 1-4: 40mg of Anabol D-bol Every Day
Weeks ???: 150mg of homemade trenbolone EOD

Anti-E and Post Cycle therapy:
weeks 1-15: 1mg of ANA Arimidex EOD
weeks ???: 10,000IU of HCG (not so sure how to do this here)
weeks ???: Clomid post cycle

Supplements: ALOT
2-3g of ALA
some Liv-52 and milkthistle
2 multi vitamins, 1,000mg B-12, 1,000mg vit. C, 1,000IU vit E
Post work-out shake- 75-100g of maltodextrin, 60g whey protien, 10g of Glutamine, 1g of vit C, and 500mg ALA, flaxseed oil

My diet will be fairly clean, I am going to I am going to go for 6,000 calories a day with a 3-1-1 ratio (carbs, protien, fat) lots of chicken and lean red meat some pork tons of dairy ( I can eat a 24ounce container of cottage cheese no problem) fish, tuna, potatos, brown rice, some fresh fruit mostly pinnapples, wheat bread.

Alright Bro's now it's time for you to help me out I got a bunch of questions and need some anwers. please feel free to critique anything on here. Thank You

1) Can this be a big mistake given that my natural T levels are low? I quit smoking weed and drinking so that should help conisdering I was smoking weed ED and drinking twice a week. My T levels were at 184 if you were wondering and ST anything I should ask my Dr. or have him do? I have an appointment with him in a week.
2) ST when what should I start doing for my post cycle I'm kinda stuck here I never used Sust before plus I imagine I am going to need a big jump start afterwards so it probably won't be your basic post cycle therapy.
3) How should I run this Tren in the beggining or the end or what?
4) Are my doses way to high if so how would you do them and how should I cut them back. I don't want to be wasting gear
5) With my job I have a hard time sleeping enough and i'm always waking up in the middle of the night to piss (about 2 times)how many hours of sleep should I get minimum to get the most out of this cycle.
6) Anybody tried Blacklabel EQ yet if so how was it?
7) Any other drugs do you recommend adding to this cycle Proviron or anything like that?
8) From your guys experience while on gear how many sets do you do per bodypart I usually keep it going as long as I have a good pump since it's pretty damn hard to overtrain whil on all this gear.
9) Any other supps or anything I should add to this I think I got just about everything covered.

Well that's all that I can come up with for right now if I think of any other questions I will ask and to all that help me out thank you very much.

[MemphisRAGe]

****...thats alot of sust.... start recovery cycle 1wk after last injection...get at least 8hrs sleep

[Budiak]

Holy effing ish, thats a big frontload, man. Plus the HGH? Any specific reason besides getting 'swole' because that **** is just way too expensive to warrant me ever really approving of a cycle of it unless you're pro, or old. Or trying to fix yer bad back :D (God, I hate emotes)

Anyways, I cant answer all of those questions, but I do have a few things to say.

First off, your bodyfat seems awfully high to be starting a bulk cycle. I started mine at around 14% and I reckon I'll end up around 20%. Might you think about at least a very short cut, maybe a 6 weeker before you bulk up?

As for Blacklabel's EQ- i have no idea. My friend is using their other test products right now and if it is any sign of the quality, their EQ should be excellent.

Sleep- You dont need to sleep. My friend doesnt!!

More to come. Teacher's coming.

[Fudomyo]

HCG != HGH

Most of the fina crowd run it 8 weeks. So 2-10 when the sust will start kicking in. I'd front load it for the first 4 days, which gets it right to good levels. I'm sure you'd be fine at 75mg EOD, that's about the equivalent of 500mg of test, but jump right in if you must.

Fudo

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

Where the hell did u see Growth Budiak? HCG not HGH Bro. As far as the fina goes i will only run it 6 weeks just not sure when and I have used it before. Also I have never had my BF% tested before so 17% is just a guess and I really ain't all about bulking during this cycle I will be riding the stationary bike for 30-45min, 3-4 times a week and right now I am burning 1,000 calories in 25min so I am going to drop fat on this cycle I guarantee.

[Budiak]

Oh...word, then. I saw that 10,000ius and went NUTS. I then wanted to ask you for money.

[MemphisRAGe]

ya....10k iu of hgh....is bout 107k$....

[Budiak]

I dont know, the dude could be loaded as hell.

Plus when he's done with a 10,000 iu cycle he'd have four new heads.

[galileo]

Originally posted by Budiak
Plus when he's done with a 10,000 iu cycle he'd have four new heads.

I wonder if I could grow 4 new brains too...

[tony touch]

no need to frontload the sust if you're running dbols in the beginning also. run 750 mg of sust straight through the entire cycle. dbol weeks 1-5. run EQ 400-600 mg straight through also.

if i were you, i'd save the fina for spring or summer and runher a fina\winny or fina\EQ cycle and get real ripped.

it seems as if u really have ur mind set tho on getting que large (evidenced by the dosages and products desired to use), I would run a test\fina\ECA or clen stack and get real tight and youll probably gain another 10 lbs. just my opinion tho.

weeks 1-10:750 mg of test
weeks 1-8 (if you can bear 8 weeks of fina): 75 mg of fina ED
weeks 8-12: something thermogenic

clean up with thwe regulars.

also keep the ALA dosage up there real high, you'll like it from wut ive been told.

[Belial]

I still say the test frontload is a good idea.

BPP, it's a solid cycle, man. It's definitely a nice mass cycle... I don't the the fina is necessary either, but... hell. You're a big boy. And you could probably make use of it.

HOWEVER. If your natural test is already having problems, I'd stay away from fina. Fina, deca, and anadrol are three types of gear you should never touch again. Way too suppressive, all of them.

And the first thing I would do is make sure your natural test is back up there. If it isn't, you may be looking at a lifetime of HRT once you come off this monster cycle.

Think about the long term, bro.

[tony touch]

belial u got an important point bro. big poppa u should lsiten

[Spiderman]

IMO, I'd say start the clomid one week BEFORE your last injection. That way its already in your system startin to get things back in order. Then, hit it with HCG in a manner sorta like... 5,000 i.u. every 3 days, 3 injections. (15,000 i.u. total) Then another 5,000 i.u. administered every 5 days at 3 injections. (another 15,000 i.u.)

[house]

big cycle , good luck with it and keep us informed on your gains bro

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

OK Bro's I like the comments I am getting in return so far plus I have been talking with friends around here so I may have a few changes and of course some more questions. If my everything goes as planned my cycle should look like this.

Week 1-10: 1,000mg of sust weeks 1-2 and 750 every weeks after that.
Week 1-4: 50mg of propinate EOD (My reason for doing this is to try and stabalize my blood levels and so I can take full advantage of the prop in the sust for the first few weeks until the long acting esters in the sust start to kick in)
Week 1-10: 600mg of EQ strait through I am going to dump the frontload on the EQ
Week 1-5: 40mg of Anabol D-bol ED

Everything else is going to stay the same, meaning the supplements, dieting, Anit-E anf Post-Cycle Therapy and all of that. I am also going to take Belial's advice and drop the Tren in hopes of not screwing up my natural Test levels for good.

QUESTIONS:
1) I need ST to set up my Post-cycle therapy for me being I have messed up T-levels as it is I have at the moment (or I should say will have) 27,000IU of HCG and 120 50mg tabs of Clomid and 60 1mg tabs of ANA Arimidex.

2) Seriously I think my T -levels were screwed up by my recent 4 months abuse of weed and alcohol I was smoking weed ED and getting drunk twice a week and my thyroid levels being out of line. After I came off of my cycle and did my post cycle therapy I was feeling great even with a blown out knee I was still very motivated in the gym and energetic and my libido was out of control only recently since my surgury did I start to feel these low test effects and this is when I started using drugs to feel bad for myself.

3) Belial and ST, Am I really at serious risk of needing permanent HRT for the rest of my life just by doing this cycle?

4) How long is Tren good for after u make it?

5) Is my propinate idea a good one?

6) ST I am relying on you to write out my post-cycle therapy so help me out bro.

Thanks alot fellas as always you are a great help.

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

BUMP

Damn it feels good to be a Gangsta....

[tony touch]

forget the fina bro, the more i think about it. shuts u down real hard. harder than deca. ur situation doesnt need that

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

Good call Tony if you check out my revamped cycle (towards the bottom) I dropped the Tren it ain't worth it. If I get my natural levels back up thier nice after this cycle i'll use it to cut in the summer.

[Belial]

BPP, every time you do a cycle you put your endocrine system at SOME risk... you apparently already have a predisposition towards low testosterone.. whether its a problem that would have occured without outside influence, I don't know. I think it would pay to have your levels checked again ASAP, and not start until you're POSITIVE they're back to normal.

Once you come off this cycle (And, though it's riskier than a cycle would be for most people, I think you should be okay), stay off for at least a good six months. Do some serious post-cycle therapy, stay away from the booze and weed, drop your workout frequency down a notch, and otherwise give your body a big fat break. Because that's what it needs right now.

Oh, and re: the prop.. it'll be good for a kick start, but don't think that the prop in the sust is "useless". Even though there's not much in there, it's still building muscle for you. You don't need to keep even levels of prop to have the prop do work for ya. It's all just test, eh?

[Severed Ties]

Originally posted by Belial

Oh, and re: the prop.. it'll be good for a kick start, but don't think that the prop in the sust is "useless". Even though there's not much in there, it's still building muscle for you. You don't need to keep even levels of prop to have the prop do work for ya. It's all just test, eh?

Dam right B...Test is never useless. When guys were using prop weeks before comps but still needed to keep their T:epiT levels within the 6:1 they injected every 3rd day, thats about how frequnetly sust is injected. Whever started the BS about the prop going to waste if it's not injected ED or EOD is an idiot.




Originally posted by BIG POPPA PUMP

QUESTIONS:
1) I need ST to set up my Post-cycle therapy for me being I have messed up T-levels as it is I have at the moment (or I should say will have) 27,000IU of HCG and 120 50mg tabs of Clomid and 60 1mg tabs of ANA Arimidex.

2) Seriously I think my T -levels were screwed up by my recent 4 months abuse of weed and alcohol I was smoking weed ED and getting drunk twice a week and my thyroid levels being out of line. After I came off of my cycle and did my post cycle therapy I was feeling great even with a blown out knee I was still very motivated in the gym and energetic and my libido was out of control only recently since my surgury did I start to feel these low test effects and this is when I started using drugs to feel bad for myself.

3) Belial and ST, Am I really at serious risk of needing permanent HRT for the rest of my life just by doing this cycle?

4) How long is Tren good for after u make it?

5) Is my propinate idea a good one?

6) ST I am relying on you to write out my post-cycle therapy so help me out bro.

Thanks alot fellas as always you are a great help.


1- Since you have so much HCG use 5 injections of 1000iu's EOD at the start of week 5 for a total of 5000iu's.

Post cycle HCG is taken EOD
2500iu's- taken with your last injection
1500iu's
1000iu's
1000iu's
1000iu's
500iu's
500iu's
500iu's
500iu's Start Clomid here 100mg's for 5 day then 50mg's ED
500iu's
500ius- end HCG

Arimidex .5mg's EOD throughout

Remain on clomid and Arimidex for 8 weeks. Take two weeks off then get a complete hormone profile done. No weed or alcohol until your T levels come back normal.

2- It is certainly a posibility.

3- You may already be screwed up, you really shouldn't be doing a cycle unless your T levels retest normal. If your hormones are out of balance you may compound the problem with another cycle. Also if you did end up on HRT you'll have to wonder for the rest of your life.

I plan on going on HRT in a distant lifetime when I've had children, until then I wouldn't take the risk. I'd clean up your drug use, get back in gym, be sure to eat and sleep properly then get another hormone profile done in 4-6 weeks. If they come back normal do your cycle, if not I'd see a well qualified Doc and shelf the idea of AS possibly forever.

4- Quite a while, I imagine a few years if you store it in a cool place.

5- I prefer just to frontload Sust as I would the EQ.

6- Your wish is my command :rolleyes:

ST

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

ST, Belial and to everybody else who helped thank you very much.

first off I am going back to the doctor friday I will have him preform all the test you told me to have done (Low T levels post)
he probably won't have that great of an idea of what's goingon since he is just my family DR. so I may have to see an endocrinologist.

Second I can almost guarantee you that my recent drug use is behind the problem and along with my thyroid levels being unbalanced. I have not smoked weed or drank (with the exception of Friday because my good friend came home from Hawaii and well you know) in 1 1/2 weeks.

Let me get this strait right now I am not a pot head dumbass burnout I just got really stupid and was feeling bad for myself after blowing ou my ACL so I pitied myself and look where it's got me.

Belive it or not I can alredy feel a change in my body I am getting morning wood and more hard-ons throughout the day and have been acting a little more hyper and a little less tired. I belive these are all good signs.

More to come

[babyboy]

If your trying to be constructive learn to articlate better, If your trying to be an ass get out of this forum

ST

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

WTF you mean I look bad you ain't never even seen me? don't come on this board talking **** to people