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MonStar
12-11-2002, 05:50 PM
Which exercise do you think is the BEST all around strength movement?

Bench seems to be what everyone THINKS it is. But I have known quite a few guys who had a good bench but were scrawny, and weak as hell.

What do you guys think?

Deadlifts?

PowerManDL
12-11-2002, 05:51 PM
Clean & Jerk

MonStar
12-11-2002, 05:59 PM
Wow, never thought an Olympic movement would come up. That exercise is a B*TCH. I used to do them for football, I think that my personal best ever was something like 185.. :(:(

GonePostal
12-11-2002, 06:13 PM
Strength is a subjective term. Too hard to measure one's "strength" with 1 exercise IMO. Much better to take a wholistic approach and look at all lifts.

AdamGberg
12-11-2002, 06:19 PM
maybe running with weights in your hands?!?!

Saturday Fever
12-11-2002, 07:11 PM
Well, people seem to put up the most weight on squats. Chuck Voegelpohl at Westside weighs 220 and puts up a 1075 squat.

But I agree with the idea that no one lift can be the judge. That's why I like the powerlifting stuff. Let the 3 lifts speak for you.

beastin v6
12-11-2002, 07:26 PM
Squat are good, but you need more then one!

pastdoubt
12-11-2002, 08:27 PM
Handstand push-ups under an extended vertical leg press machine while extending the legs at the end are my favorite.

Sayiajin Prince
12-11-2002, 09:46 PM
kickbacks

fatsoPanda
12-11-2002, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Sayiajin Prince
kickbacks

tricep kickbacks.....hahahahahh:D

Titan
12-11-2002, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by pastdoubt
Handstand push-ups under an extended vertical leg press machine while extending the legs at the end are my favorite.

Are you kidding me?

Scooby-Doo
12-11-2002, 10:06 PM
Snatch? I would think it would be an olymipic lift. Hard to measure ones strenght just by one lift.

Alex.V
12-11-2002, 10:22 PM
Deadlift.

tallnskinny
12-11-2002, 10:25 PM
standing military press would be the best test of ones strength IMO. especilay since it brings practicly every muscle in your body into play

the doc
12-11-2002, 10:33 PM
deadlift or clean & jerk are clear winners

Otter
12-11-2002, 10:42 PM
I would say either the deadlift or the SOHP, so I'll combine them and agree that it's the clean & jerk, hands down.

Shark
12-12-2002, 02:28 AM
Deadlift

WillKuenzel
12-12-2002, 03:18 AM
Sure you gotta be strong to pick the weight up off the floor but to pick it up and put it over you head. Now that's strength.

clean & jerk

gino
12-12-2002, 09:04 AM
Clean & Jerk is the best overall power movement by far. I can't think of a muscle group that isn't somehow used in that movement when it's done correctly.

millertime
12-12-2002, 09:20 AM
A Snatch or Clean & Jerk.

Alex.V
12-12-2002, 09:27 AM
Clean & jerk (snatch too, for that matter) involves far too much technique to be a measure of absolute brute strength, in my opinion. A much 'weaker' lifter with superior technique can easily out C&J a stronger one with poor form and no knowledge of how to do the lift.

Deadlift has technique involved as well, but, well, look at the poundages people often do their first time trying them. Trained lifters can often pull 4 plates or more their first time out. On the other hand, being able to C&J a 'good' amount may take months of practice.

benchmonster
12-12-2002, 09:52 AM
Can't go with Olympic movements on this one, too techincal. It is very difficult for even an athletic, and weight trained person to put up any kind of numbers at all in clean and jerk.

Bench is definately out. No legs involved.

Deadlift is a good choice, except for the fact that a very skinny relatively weak person with long arms and legs and a short torso will very often outlift by a large amount, a squattier person with a bigger torso, and relatively short arms and legs.

Now this thicker person may outdo that skinny guy in every other lift imaginable, but be a poor deadlifter because of his build.

So really, I don't think there is any just single lift out there that you can point to as the definitive test for overall body strength. Strength is made up of many different things. Some are great pullers, some are great pressers, while some can walk a long ways carrying heavy objects. Just different.

B.

Tryska
12-12-2002, 09:57 AM
deadlift was my first thought.

TMan
12-12-2002, 10:11 AM
Atlas stone lifting.

Berserker
12-12-2002, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by benchmonster


Deadlift is a good choice, except for the fact that a very skinny relatively weak person with long arms and legs and a short torso will very often outlift by a large amount, a squattier person with a bigger torso, and relatively short arms and legs.



B.

Thanks for bursting my bubble. I thought atleast theres one thing I am good at. Now I don't even have that.

F40
12-12-2002, 11:12 AM
I agree Kickbacks are excellent for strength/mass building. :)

If you find them too hard : DEADLIFT.

fatsoPanda
12-12-2002, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by benchmonster
Can't go with Olympic movements on this one, too techincal. It is very difficult for even an athletic, and weight trained person to put up any kind of numbers at all in clean and jerk.

Bench is definately out. No legs involved.

Deadlift is a good choice, except for the fact that a very skinny relatively weak person with long arms and legs and a short torso will very often outlift by a large amount, a squattier person with a bigger torso, and relatively short arms and legs.

Now this thicker person may outdo that skinny guy in every other lift imaginable, but be a poor deadlifter because of his build.

So really, I don't think there is any just single lift out there that you can point to as the definitive test for overall body strength. Strength is made up of many different things. Some are great pullers, some are great pressers, while some can walk a long ways carrying heavy objects. Just different.

B.

:thumbup: Well said

I know the topic is on one single exercise but to me a combination of the bench, squat, and deadlift would be enough to determine someones overall strength.

aidano
12-12-2002, 12:09 PM
Tossing the Caber!

gino
12-12-2002, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by MonStar
Which exercise do you think is the BEST all around strength movement?



I translate the question as for what movement was the best for building all around strength, not which lift was the best measure of strength.

GeneticallyGifted
12-12-2002, 12:58 PM
what about pinky presses????

Would that count?

G'd Up!

loyd christmas
12-14-2002, 01:21 AM
its gotta be squats man...........something about squats increases the amount of testosterone produced by the body and this benefits the body all round. secondly they work everything from the lower back down and u have to have a perma shrug to keep the bar from breakin your neck, so its gotta be squats man, just gotta be

Santiago
12-14-2002, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by Saturday Fever
Well, people seem to put up the most weight on squats. Chuck Voegelpohl at Westside weighs 220 and puts up a 1075 squat.



Brent Mikesell "put up" a 1075 squat once....Chuck did a 1003...still very amazing, but not quite Brent's all time record..

I'm going to have to say the dead...I don't like to get into equipment issues....but I'll leave it that if everyone squatted raw, I highly doubt anyone would squat Andy Bolton's 926 raw dead # ...

Plus with the dead there's no wasted energy on the walkout, you can't make excuses like racks were set up wrong, nobody can say you didn't squat it deep enough, etc. You pull it or you don't. (Unless you're at a USAPL meet :mad: ) lol

Alex.V
12-14-2002, 10:08 AM
Hasn't chuck hit 1025, santiago?

Tiare
12-14-2002, 10:26 AM
That the olympic lifts require a great deal of training and skill should not exclude them. Even lifts as simple as the bench press are dramatically improved with proper form and training.

Remember when you first started doing bench press, you had amazing progress for the first several months but you weren't actually getting stronger, your neural pathways were simply learning to adjust to a new movement.

As far as measuring overall strength though, I think explosive sleds (the football blocking sled) would be the best measure :)

gino
12-14-2002, 11:19 AM
Again though...how about the best exercise for building overall strength?

starks713
12-14-2002, 03:18 PM
Best exercise for building overall strength is jogging with some pink ankle weights strapped on and a plate hanging from your neck

Delphi
12-14-2002, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by gino
Again though...how about the best exercise for building overall strength?

On the Olympic side, Clean and Jerk or Snatch.

On the Powerlifting side, BLDL or TBDL.

Thor
12-14-2002, 10:55 PM
deadlifts

Santiago
12-15-2002, 06:23 PM
Maybe dude, if he did that rocks....last I heard he's "only" done 1003 lol, I didn't even total that my first meet. It will be sick if he passes Mikesell while in the 220's or even 242's....I think if Coan or Capt Kirk got into canvas they'd beat him to it tho...Kirk did 1003 USAPL :o

Steve Williams
12-15-2002, 10:28 PM
I was going to say squats, but they don't do arms...

So I'll go with deadlifts. They do your legs, back and arms.

Steve

Adam
12-16-2002, 06:28 PM
For best test of strenght i'll go with zerchers starting with the bar at knee level. I had some trained and untrained guys go at them and you can pull as hard as you can without too much technique getting involved.I also find that with these zerchers there isn't much of a mechanical advantage to long arms/legs.

loyd christmas
12-17-2002, 11:37 PM
sitting on the couch lifting potatoe chips to your mouth works your ass, your arms and your abs everytime u burp! thats y all of the best athletes are sitting infront of TV's :lurk:

Saturday Fever
12-18-2002, 12:16 AM
1 Vogelpohl Chuck 1025 220

I apologize, it was 1025@220 for Vogelpohl.

Alex.V
12-18-2002, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by Belial
Hasn't chuck hit 1025, santiago?

WHO'S THE MAN?????


That would be chuck.


But I'm pretty close, for calling that one.

Santiago
12-18-2002, 05:27 PM
You're right. I regret to admit I don't know it all, like I previously thought. :(

Monster Muscle
12-18-2002, 10:41 PM
Squats

Saturday Fever
12-19-2002, 04:38 PM
I wanna squat 1000+ at 220.

benchmonster
12-19-2002, 04:55 PM
Good luck with that one Saturday Fever.

So far only one man has done it. But somebody has to be second. Maybe that someone is you.

B.

Saturday Fever
12-20-2002, 11:04 AM
Oh it would be a far cry from where I am now. I'd say it's a goal, but more accurate would be to say it's a dream. :)

Lettuce Face
12-21-2002, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by starks713
Best exercise for building overall strength is jogging with some pink ankle weights strapped on and a plate hanging from your neck

I agree with starks. I've been doing this jogging workout for a few months now and I've noticed some incredible gains in my squat and deadlift.

Most of you guys are thinking "Why is this such an incredible exercise?"

Well... It's due to the enormous amount of stress on your neck muscle from the plate yanking on it with every stride. You just can't stress your neck muscle like this with your ordinary compound movements. That's why this is a far superior exercise.

Blitzforce
12-21-2002, 01:15 AM
snatch grip deadlift on a 4 inch block