ONE and ONE+

[gettinjackT]

I have a couple of questions about this products. I knoe ONE+ contains 4AD. I always thought diols couldn't convert to estrogen, but what I've read about 4AD is that it does. But this is a good thing (????). It supposedly increases sex drive and energy levels. When using 1-test(ONE) by itself there is a negative effect on sex drive and energy levels. But why? I don't understand, estrogen is good for your sex drive and test is bad for it? And the same goes for energy levels?

Also, what do people take post-cycle when using these products?

Just curious, thanx in advance

[kinetixtrainer]

4 ad can convert to estrogen but it depends on several factors. (cycle length and dosage)

Im currently doing a cycle of 1-t ethers and it is going great. The sides ive seen have been lowering of sex drive and acne. Neither of which are noticable. A few extra zits on my face but none on my back or arms, I expected the opposite because of my age. (26)

Bigassdan is currently doing a cycle of the 4ad transdermal and the only sides ive heard him speak of is a slight case of testicle shrinkage. (we are workout partners) if you'er wondering how i know! But ive seen his weight go from 203 to 216 in 3 1/2 weeks.(NO BS) As far as estrogen blocker for post cycle we are both going to take 6oxo (seems to be the best) and Z-Mass PM to help support natural test production.

As far as my own results with the 1-ts before cycle I weight in at 170lbs, 9.6% bf, 5'11", 16" arms pumped and flexed.
Now with one week left in cycle 187lbs,12%bf,5'11" 16 1/2" arms flexed and pumped.

I hope some of this helped man.

[PowerManDL]

1-Test isn't androgenic, so if you take enough to suppress natural test production, you'll see a dropoff in sex drive. 4AD is androgenic and it does convert into testosterone, which would alleviate that effect. The estrogen increase is responsible for water retention etc.

[gettinjackT]

Ok, so it is not the estrogen (from 4AD) causing the increase in sex drive, but the testosterone? Is the estrogen increase a natural reaction from the testosterone increase or does the 4AD aromatize? The way it is described on the 1fast400 site, the estrogen from 4AD is a good thing.

[PowerManDL]

I don't believe the 4AD aromatizes on its own, but I could be mistaken.

[Blood&Iron]

Originally posted by PowerManDL
1-Test isn't androgenic, so if you take enough to suppress natural test production, you'll see a dropoff in sex drive. 4AD is androgenic and it does convert into testosterone, which would alleviate that effect. The estrogen increase is responsible for water retention etc.
You're getting some terms mixed up here.

1-test is quite androgenic--meaning it causes the development and/or maintenance of secondary male sexual characteristics.

Aromatization (the conversion of testosterone to estrogen) is something else. 1-test does not aromatize.

4-AD does aromatize.

Estrogen is necessary to maintain sex drive and seems to help combat the lethargy and/or joint problems that can come with 1-test usage. When I used One, I also used ErgoPharm's Androspray and had no problems One+ already contains 4-AD.

Post-cycle (if you go more than 2 weeks) 6-oxo or Formasin (or both) would be your best bets--if you're keeping things OTC. There has been extensive (and fairly vitriolic) discussion of these two on the Avant boards, by Patrick Arnold and William Llewellyn.

BTW, you better pick up your One soon, as it's going to be pulled witin the next couple weeks (if not sooner) due to the FDA's intercession.

[PowerManDL]

Then why does it blunt sex drive?

[Blood&Iron]

Originally posted by PowerManDL
Then why does it blunt sex drive?
I edited my post.

Basically, estrogen is necessary even for the male libido.

[PowerManDL]

Still, if it causes development of sexual characteristics......"sex drive" is a sexual characteristic, yes?

[gettinjackT]

So increasing test is bad for the sex drive unless you increase estrogen as well?

[Blood&Iron]

I'm not expert on this subject. But here's an excerpt from an article over on
www.mesomorphosis.com

From 'Androgens, Libidio, and Sexual Function' by Patrick Arnold
Aromatase is the enzyme that catalyzes the conversion of androgens (androstenedione, testosterone) to estrogens. It also is found in certain areas of the brain in high concentration (often in conjunction with 5-alpha reductase), specifically in areas that are essential for the neuroendocrine control of gonadotropin secretion and sexual behavior. Androgens are well known to be essential to sexuality, but without the concomitant presence of estrogens they are essentially without effect. Studies have demonstrated that the abolition of estrogen formation through the use of aromatase inhibitors, or resulting from a congenital aromatase defect, greatly reduces sexual desire and function despite the presence of normal or high androgen levels.

[gettinjackT]

hmmm, so then I'm assuming when someone is on gear AND using an aromatize inhibitor(ex. arimidex), there sex drive isn't really increased, maybe even decreased because of the lack of estrogen.

[Delphi]

So does 6oxo decrease sex drive while at the same time decreasing the chance for gyno during a cycle, and restarting test production after a cycle?

[gettinjackT]

Originally posted by Delphi
So does 6oxo decrease sex drive while at the same time decreasing the chance for gyno during a cycle, and restarting test production after a cycle?

I would assume so, if this stuff really works as an aromatize inhibitor.