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Grahf
01-15-2003, 10:15 PM
I was wondering how good a PB&J sandwhich is for breakfast. I don't have any natty PB so I use Skippy and Organic WW Bread.

I'm questioning the overall nutrition of PB. I'm sorta trying to bulk, but trying to do it as lean as possible. I was wondering if the stuff is worth all the fat etc.

BTW, I'm 15, 5"6/5"7 and 135 lbs.

Isaac Wilkins
01-15-2003, 10:29 PM
PB is awesome for getting calories in to your diet. Since you're bulking, you're probably looking for calorie-dense food sources. This is where the fat comes in.

You must understand that fat is not bad for you as a nutrient. Many bulking diets include around 30% or even more calories from fat. It is essential.

That said, natty pb is better for you than Skippy, simply because the fats are quality fats, not the nasty trans fats. Natty pb doesn't have added sugar, which a lot of processed peanut butters do (I honestly don't know about Skippy, but I assume it's similar).

Grahf
01-15-2003, 10:34 PM
Thanks for the reply. I heard that there are very small amounts of trans fat in the commercial brands of PB, just enough to hold it together. Anyone can confirm this for me?

Also, does anyone have any suggestions for some nutritious and quick breakfasts other than whey and oatmeal (I'm getting awfully sick of it).

Manveet
01-15-2003, 10:35 PM
Natty is better. Don't know about the jelly though. Why not try some oats? Or have 3 large whole eggs, 2 peices of w.w. bread, 2 scoops of whey and 160z of 1% milk. That's what I have every morning, and it's damn good.

Grahf
01-15-2003, 10:39 PM
Wow, this place is awesome! I get such helpful replies so damn quickly ^__^

I'm not really using jelly, I use E.D Smith No Sugar Added Strawberry Jam. Manveet, your idea sounds great. But, I'm inexperienced with eggs. Can you tell me how I can make em'? Heh, sorry for the newbieness, but I'm new to weightlifting, nutrition and cooking etc.

Manveet
01-15-2003, 10:44 PM
Take 3 whole eggs ( I use extra large or large).

Crack eggs into bowl, use fork to whip/beat them up.

Have a hot frying pan of some sort ready, usually add a table spoon of olive oil or something so the egg won't stick. Or if you are lucky, you will have a non stick pan.

Pour whipped/beaten eggs onto the hot pan.

Flip over omelette, each side takes about a minute

Voila, you're done.

bradley
01-16-2003, 03:10 AM
Or you could just boil them. Either way eggs are good and easy to cook.

Mik
01-16-2003, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by bradley
Or you could just boil them. Either way eggs are good and easy to cook.

I never have time for breakfast when I first get up So I boil a few and have them when I get to work. I gotta start raising chickens!:D

steveo
01-16-2003, 01:14 PM
I Love PB&J use the All Natural PB it taste 100x better. I usually have a pb&j at bed time with a protein shake or between meals.

Shao-LiN
01-17-2003, 02:20 AM
If you don't want all the fat, use a smaller portion. Nothing saying you have to use a specific amount.

HANSEL
01-17-2003, 09:55 AM
Natty Unsalted PB and Smuckers Sugar Free Jam are very good and I feel on WW bread this would be a very good breakfast. Probably even better in a WW Pita, then you can drive with it.

For my Breakfast, I just pour some eggwhites in a bowl and Microwave it for a few Mins and have with a MultiV and Fish oil. I can be eating within 5 Mins of waking.

Grahf
01-17-2003, 04:50 PM
Thanks all for the helpful tips and info, it's much appreciated. I just went out and got some natty pb today (adam's) and I was wonderin, is it ok if I pour out some of the oil that has separated on top to reduce the fat by a little bit?

Budiak
01-17-2003, 04:54 PM
My bulking diet breakfast was 4 whole eggs and 3 whites, four pieces of toast with a olive oil based margerine spread,a cup of pork and beans, a quart of 1% milk, and a big effing spoonful of Peanut butter. I actually had peanut butter throughout the day, I'd just take random spoons of the ****. Yes it was hard to eat but hell, did I gain weight!

Raildog
01-17-2003, 05:03 PM
Eat Jif! I Do!

(My wife works there) :D

Raildog

Berserker
01-17-2003, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Shao-LiN
If you don't want all the fat, use a smaller portion. Nothing saying you have to use a specific amount.
smaller portion has less protein.

Whole eggs are good. If time is an issue hard boil a dozen they keep for a few days. Also making omlets the night before. Also don't have to eat breakfast foods in the morning. I used to have hamburgers. Not big on oats myself, there for horses.

HANSEL
01-17-2003, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by Grahf
Thanks all for the helpful tips and info, it's much appreciated. I just went out and got some natty pb today (adam's) and I was wonderin, is it ok if I pour out some of the oil that has separated on top to reduce the fat by a little bit?
You can pour off some oil too reduce the Cals, the PB will be a bit dry. The fat in the PB is EFA's (Good Fat) so unless your getting plenty of EFA's some other way Stir it in and enjoy.



FWIW Raildog I grew up eating Jif, it is the best. My mother still stocks it in her pantry, she claims midwesterners only eat Jif. lol

Grahf
01-17-2003, 07:45 PM
How many EFA's do you think I need? I know my dinner is usually made with 3-4 tbs of canola oil. My lunch is pretty fat less (a few grams from the WW bread).

HANSEL
01-17-2003, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by Grahf
How many EFA's do you think I need? I know my dinner is usually made with 3-4 tbs of canola oil. My lunch is pretty fat less (a few grams from the WW bread).

OK, I wish someone wouldve done this for me years ago so here goes, Ill do my best.

If your bulking "clean" its 135lbx15= 2025 Calories per day but since your 15 and probably excercise alot...I think you should eat closer to 2200-2300 Cals a day at least.

Now what Ratio do you want to run? I would think 40/30/30 since this is supposed to be best for growth. thats 40% of diet coming from Carbs, 30% Protein, 30% Fat.

Ok.

Carbs 4 cals
Pro 4 cals
Fat 9 cals per gram

So
880 of your daily Calories wil come from 220 grams of Carbs
660 calories from 165 grams of Protein per day
660 calories from 73 grams of Fat (preferably EFA's) per day


So you need at least 2200 cals in my estimation from:
220grams Carb/ 165 grams Protein/ 73 grams Fat

Essentially you want to eat 6 meals per day spaced out every 3 hours. Each meal looking something like

36 grams carb
27.5 grams protein
12 grams fat



I eat a 20%c/50%p/30%f and can still gain size but everyone is different.

Grahf
01-18-2003, 01:24 AM
Damn Hansel, that was extremely useful. I really dunno how to thank you. I wish I was here at this site earlier. Damn, this summer I ran alot and cut down my fat to like 10 grams a day. When school started I was a ****ing twig. It's weird, I noticed that when I consumed low calories/fat, my sex drive plummetted and I become less interested in porn. Also I noticed that I stopped growing (in height).

Shows how important cals and fat are to the typical teenage male.

bradley
01-18-2003, 05:08 AM
Originally posted by HANSEL

You can pour off some oil too reduce the Cals, the PB will be a bit dry. The fat in the PB is EFA's (Good Fat) so unless your getting plenty of EFA's some other way Stir it in and enjoy.


I usually stir it up after first opening it and then turn it upside down in the fridge. Works pretty well at distributing the oil evenly throuhgout the jar, and you won't get stuck with thin pb on the top and thick on the bottom.

AJ_11
01-19-2003, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by HANSEL

The fat in the PB is EFA's (Good Fat) so unless your getting plenty of EFA's some other way Stir it in and enjoy.



I would try to get some fish oils, walnuts and Flax seeds as well, as PB has a low Omega3 count. It is good for mono, and has a greater 6:3 ratio.

All fats are important to maintain a healthy lifestyle.