Clen Question

[Big J]

I did a search and read a lot of different opinions on Clenbuteral. I noticed that Severed Ties doesn't like it.

I'm going to be starting my first cycle within a month's time, & I was wondering if I should take Clen - if so, When?

My cycle will be 400mg Test Enthanate for 10 weeks straight & 210mg D-Bol for the first 5 weeks. I'll start the clomid therapy 2 weeks after the last injection. I was thinking about getting 2 cycles of Clen in. The first 2-week cycle right after I finish the gear. Right after that will be time for the Clomid. After the 2 weeks of Clomid, do another 2-week cycle of Clen.

What does everyone think? I figure running it like that will allow me to still eat a lot, without packing on the fat after the gear. Is that a good idea? I want to keep most of my size & strength gains without adding on too much fat.

Thanks in Advance -- J

[Budiak]

With all I've read about the stuff, to my knowledge the difference between the effect of Clen and the effect of ECA is negligible, so IMO I'd stick with ECA on this one. Besides, do whatever you want, diet and exercise controls weight loss or gain during a cycle.

With the test and Dbol, you'll lose all the fat you want in that timeframe if diet and training is in order, you may actually throw on a pound or two.

[Maki Riddington]

I think that the clen experience is an individual one. I have heard great stories from people who have made sure that their diet and training was dead on. Then once they wanted to hit the hard to hit % it got them there. Of course an ECA stack would do wonders but I just think that if you know what you're doing then clen can be an amazing supplement.

[Big J]

Originally posted by Budiak


With the test and Dbol, you'll lose all the fat you want in that timeframe if diet and training is in order, you may actually throw on a pound or two.

Well I'm hopin to throw on more than that - I'm shootin for 12-15 pounds of lean mass. 20 pounds would be nice. The Clen is just mainly to let me continue to eat heavily without adding any fat while I'm off of the gear. Let my test levels come back up, before I lessen my eating.

[tony touch]

dont go with Super Clen b\c youll gain weight with it.

if u choose to use clen, go 2 weeks on,then 2 weeks with ECA.

i prefer ECA tho b\c its so much cheaper, just as effective and doesnt have as long of a half life, meaning i can sleep at night

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Originally posted by tony touch
dont go with Super Clen b\c youll gain weight with it.

if u choose to use clen, go 2 weeks on,then 2 weeks with ECA.



Where did you get that first sentence from?

Clen works specifically on B-2 receptors, whereas EC promotes catecholamine release which works on all receptors (but different types at different thresholds - low: alpha, high: beta), so doing 2 weeks on clen, 2 weeks on EC isn't gonna allow for beta-receptor downregulation to improve much at all.

The only way you might get away with it, is if you use ketofen (or however it is spelt) in conjunction with the clen to prevent the receptor downreg.

If you're gonna use clen, just save it for the last couple of weeks of your diet.

Otherwise, just use EC throughout. This is, of course, providing you're using it to help shed fat. if you're using it as part of your post cycle therapy i'd tell you there are much better alternatives available.

[Big J]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy



If you're gonna use clen, just save it for the last couple of weeks of your diet.

Otherwise, just use EC throughout. This is, of course, providing you're using it to help shed fat. if you're using it as part of your post cycle therapy i'd tell you there are much better alternatives available.

That's what I plan do do - save it until the end of the cycle. I'm hopin this will help shed some fat, or at least keep me from adding on any fat, after I finish the cycle. I'll continue to eat a lot until after my Clomid. Once my test levels are back up, then slowly go back down to eating regular. I'm hoping I can keep at least 80% of the gains I get.

Maybe I'm expecting too much - 15 pound lean mass gain & kepp 80% of both strength & size gains???

Anyway - thx for the help.

[tony touch]

the ketofen in superclen is the cause of weightgain. the creator of superclen readily admits that this product is not meant for weightloss

[tony touch]

i believe its the ketofen(spelling?), i forget, but im pretty sure its that

[Budiak]

Well, depends on diet, duder. With a decent amount of test, and the dbol, you can have a pretty high caloric deficit and keep your muscle (thats why I mentioned only a pound or two). Whereas with an ECA stack alone, obviously, too large a deficit will result in catabolism.


slowly go back down to eating regular

Ok, do that, if you want to get back down to 'regular' size. Notice how big guys stay the same weight but they eat a lot? If they stop eating, they shrink. With the added mass, it is imperative to adjust your diet accordingly in order to keep your gains.

[Big J]

Well It's not like I'm gonna stop eating. I'm gonna keep diet at least 2500 calories & keep up the 1.5 grams of protein per body weight as I do know.

I just heard you eat like a horse while on the gear. Always hungry. I was just saying that if I'm eating say 4000 cals a day while on the gear, I could slowly come back down to 2500 when I'm off. The Clen should help keep the fat off.

I'm 190 pounds now. Say I add on 10 pound of lean mass after the 10 weeks. 200 pounds - if I up my protein intake up to 300 grams & keep the 2500 calories, I should be able to keep most of the gains right?

I was just thinkin in advance. I geuss I wont know how hungry I get or how much food I eat until I start my cycle.

[Budiak]

My very good friend gained nearly 40lbs while on cycle. Diet was fairly loose for BB standards, but most days he ate pretty clean. About 22lbs of that was muscle, the rest water and fat. He was always a fatass and fully expected to gain a bunch of fat so he didnt freak out too badly. Right after his cycle he dropped 10lbs (in about 3 weeks) of water and a little fat. He's back to eating 'normal' meaning 1, 1.25 grams of protein per pound and he's kept all the muscle (and unfortunately, most of the fat). Of course, since his body isnt brimming with androgens he has lost a bit of size and a little strength, but still came out far on top of what he used to have.

So yes, if you are going to eat the same proportions then I guess you'll be fine.

I guess.

[Big J]

Geuss there's only one way to find out. I'll be sure to post results & if I ever get my scanner hooked up - before & after pics.

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

umm...wasn't refering to you, man.

[Severed Ties]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Sounds like a virgin too.

haha.


LMAO




ST

[Budiak]

[quote]Sounds like a virgin too.[/v]


Yeah, so?


*******s.

[Big J]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
umm...wasn't refering to you, man.

LMAO Chicken Daddy - I was talking about theres only one way to find out of the Clen & gear are work.....

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

Hey, if the cap fits...

[BUFF STUFF]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Sounds like a virgin too.

haha.

LOL:D

[tony touch]

Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
dieting.

[Budiak]

I got a quession. If ECA causes problems, like I notice that when I'm on a 'cutting' dose (2 times per day, full doses), I find it hard to breath sometimes, like its constricting my air passages. Really makes it hard to do good, heavy lifting. I get the same problem when I drink too much coffee, and I believe its the reason my asthmatic mother stopped consuming caffiene altogether.

Would clen, in that case, be a good alternative to ECA?

[LAM]

I have nothing but good things to say about IP superclen. I tried an ECA stack but the caffeine fuks with my sleep so that is not an option for me...