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Common
02-14-2003, 09:49 PM
I've heard a little, very little, about this... Spiking insulin?? Simple carbs?

Does anyone know of some good articles about manipulating natural steroid levels?

socrates
02-15-2003, 12:33 AM
Well Ia m not sure if you were implying that insuline is a steroid, cause it is not. It is anabolic in nature, but not a steroid.

There are many ways to elevate and spike insulin levels but I feel the issue is over rated with the exceptionin the case for post work out recovery, and anti-catabolic properties.

I am not aware way to "manipulate"natural steroid levels such as Testosterone, DHT, Nandralone...ect But maintaining a diet with a sufficient level of fats and cholesterol will ensure optimum natural test' levels.

With the exception of HCG(Human Chorionic Gonadtropin) or tribulus there is little you can do for your self...Ther are ways to ensure positive test/estrogen partioning..but thats an article in its self..

bradley
02-15-2003, 05:08 AM
I don't know if anyway to naturally "manipulate" your hormones. I would think that the best thing you could do would be to and keep your diet and training levels at some level to optimize your natural hormonal profile. What I mean is by taking in the rate amounts of fats (and other macrnoutrients) and not overtraining. I read "The Testosterone Advantage Plan" and this is basically what it all boiled down to. The authors recommend a diet that consisted of 1g of protein per lb. of bw and the remaining cals split evenly between carbs and fat. I am not saying this would be the ideal diet, just thought it might be worth mentioning;)

Tank23
02-15-2003, 06:10 AM
I find this topic of bodybuilding very interesting. Look up the ABCDE diet, it claims to give very good results by manipulating your body's own supply of hormones.

-Tank

Common
02-15-2003, 09:27 AM
What's a good level of fats and cholestoral to have? What foods have the good fats and cholestoral?

So that author suggests 1g of protein per lb? I'm 170lbs.. that would mean 170gs protein, how many carbs and fats should I take in? I want to go for around 2800 calories to start---isnt it like 4 grams of protein is a calorie or something?

HANSEL
02-15-2003, 09:28 AM
Alot of Beef, Squats and, Saw Palmetto have given me good results, dunno if it increased my test or what but its working.:confused:

HANSEL
02-15-2003, 09:28 AM
I was thinking, maybe all the hormones they inject into cattle is whats helping.

Shao-LiN
02-15-2003, 09:54 AM
No Common, it's more like 1 gram of protein is 4 calories.

bradley
02-15-2003, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by Common
What's a good level of fats and cholestoral to have? What foods have the good fats and cholestoral?

So that author suggests 1g of protein per lb? I'm 170lbs.. that would mean 170gs protein, how many carbs and fats should I take in? I want to go for around 2800 calories to start---isnt it like 4 grams of protein is a calorie or something?

I personally try and get 1g per lb of bw in protein, approx 30% of daily cals from fat, and let carbs make up the rest of my daily cals. I really don't worry about cholesterol.

1g protein=4 cals
1g carbohydrate=4 cals
1g fat=9 cals

There are many opinions on what the macronutrient ratio should be. You can get healthy fats from things like nuts, flax oil, fish oil, natural peanut butter etc. Try running a search on EFA's and you will get a lot of info.

Common
02-15-2003, 05:10 PM
So that would be 680 calories from protein for me.....
Which would mean, if split evenly I should get 1060 calories from fat and carbs...?

bradley
02-16-2003, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by Common
So that would be 680 calories from protein for me.....
Which would mean, if split evenly I should get 1060 calories from fat and carbs...?

170g protein=680 cals
265g carbs=1060
118g fat=1062

2802 cals total
24% p/38% carbs/38% f

That would be the breakdown if you were following the Testosterone Advantage plan.

socrates
02-16-2003, 10:22 AM
Bradley in my opinion, you would gain more fat following a diet such as that....Even isocaloric diets you have to be watchful of.

bradley
02-16-2003, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by socrates
Bradley in my opinion, you would gain more fat following a diet such as that....Even isocaloric diets you have to be watchful of.


I am not saying this would be the ideal diet, just thought it might be worth mentioning

Like I said in my other post I am not advocating this diet, but he wanted to know the breakdown.