my next cycle...

[gandolf]

whats up guys. what do you think.

weeks1-10 700mg test prop, 600mg deca, 50mg winny ED and run t-3 for 60 days.

and since id be running the winny Ed would nolva be an issue, or would the winny cancel everything out. and would enanthate at 1 gram per week be a better way to go intsead od the prop? if you have any ideas please let me hear them. and of course i always use clomids post cycle.

[Spiderman]

IMO, I think Enanthate or Cypionate would be much better than the prop. Then we have the winny issue... I don't recommend using winny for 10 weeks bro. Thats kinda scary.... I'll assume this is a mass cycle, so if you want, hit the winny at 50mg ED startin week 8 and goin through to week 12.

[gandolf]

so you how about this,

week 1-10 1 gram enanthate, 600mg deca, t3 ( elevateing to high dose quickly then taper off slowly for 60 days )

week 8-12 50 mg winny Ed
clomids post cycle.

[Ozzymt]

hiw many cycles have you done? 1 gram a week is quite a lot of test when you can more than likely make the same gains on 50-750mg/week

[gandolf]

yeah, i can handle it. im using a gram of aratest per week right now. id rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. its just that i plan on using t3, so id like to keep the dosages high. plus i can get a 50ml bottle of enanthate for next to nothing. so its not like im forking over a ton of money. its the deca and win that are the problem.

[Spiderman]

Thats a good cycle Gandolf, now add in some a-bombs at the begining like this...

wk1:50mg/day
wk2:100mg/day
wk3:100mg/day
wk4:100mg/day
wk5:50mg/day

And take .5mg of liquidex or arimidex starting day one and running through the whole cycle and you'll be golden. :thumbup:

[Ozzymt]

why taper the abombs? just use at 100 mg/ed throughout. i would run for a max of 4 weeks as well.

If you want to use a gram of test then do so. If you are running enth then i would run for 1 week long than the deca as it has a half life of about 1 week less than the deca. That way the test and deca would drop out the system at the same time roughly.

I would run the winny for 6 weeks from 7-13 which will take you right up to clomid after the deca and test.

[Spiderman]

Why taper? Well, in my experience, and with many others I've spoken too, when you DO NOT taper a-bombs or d-bol, the strength kinda gets turned off like a light switch. Its there, then its gone. If he has the ability to do so, hell, I recommend to go to week 6 on a-bombs at 25mg/day.

[gandolf]

spiderman....sounds good, although instead of the drol id rather use dbol. maybe for the first 4-6 weeks at least.

[Severed Ties]

If you are going to use dbol or drol you need to drop the winny.

Far to much time on 17AA's


ST

[gandolf]

yeah, thats what i was thinking. maybe i should just run enanthate at a gram and deca at 600mg and use the t3 for the first 60 days. then start using the winny during week 7 like you said before. i think that would do the trick. then follow up with clomids. by the way, spiderman, check your PMs

[gandolf]

or how about this, do a 30 day t3 sprint right before my next cycle. id love to loose some of this 18%BF that i have before i start up again. see, ive never used t3 before and am curious to see whats up. so if thats the case, then id go with an oral at the beginning of my next cycle. i just like to get feedback from you guys, two eyes are better than one. thanks.

[Ozzymt]

don't run T3 without any AAS. It is to catabolic.

[Spiderman]

Originally posted by Ozzymt
don't run T3 without any AAS. It is to catabolic.

:withstupi

[gandolf]

yeah thats what i read. so maybe i should just run the test and deca along with t3 for the first 60 days then throw in winny weeks 7-13. instead of using dbol for the first 6 weeks. id like to put some mas on, but at the same time, leaning out a tad. i know its one or the other, but its worth a shot.

[Ozzymt]

if you run T3 make sure you use a sensible taper for it.

Begin small at like 25 mcg/day and add 25 mcg every 3-4 days until you reach a maximum of say 100 mcg. Stay on that for perhaps a week and then reduce the dosage by 12.5 mcg every 3-4 days until you hit 50 mcg and then you reduce by 12.5 mcg ever 6-7 days until you hit 12.5 mcg and then come off for at least 8 weeks.

When running T3 it is a good idea to up your protein intake even further as protein synthesis will be phenominal.

with test/deca/winny and T3 i think you will get very nice gains.