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lilkimlover69
03-28-2003, 12:27 PM
can someone please explain why carbs are bad or good? i really don't get it at all

EdgarMex
03-28-2003, 12:38 PM
Carbs aren't bad, what's bad is eating too many of them, but that applies to protein and fat too.

SoulOfKoRea
03-28-2003, 12:59 PM
carbs = basically sugar =energy (just like fats), but carbs have less calories ~4 Cals per gram whereas fats have ~9 Cals

carbs are usually used as the primary energy sources so they aren't bad when consumed in small amounts, but excessive carbs will turn to fat (because they aren't used by the body and stored as fat instead)

don't worry about eating too many carbs if you do a lot of sports and weight training as long as you don't eat too much high carb foods

Ritzol
03-28-2003, 02:02 PM
Excess carbs do NOT always turn to fat, they are stored as glycogen. When your glycogen stores are already filled, and you still have excess that is when they may in some cases turn to fat.
If you're active, it's probably not something you need to be real concerned about. All people regardless of activity should watch simple carbs, but regardless. Carbs don't make you fat, nor are they bad. Overconsumption of any type of food and not enough physical activity is what makes you fat.

bradley
03-28-2003, 02:15 PM
http://www.wannabebig.com/article.php?articleid=67&pageid=1

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24760&perpage=25&highlight=carbohydrate&pagenumber=1

The first link is an article off the WBB main page and the second is an old thread that might be of interest.

Ironman8
03-28-2003, 02:24 PM
The only reason the Atkins diet is so popular is because the people who go on it loose water weight. When they get off it and start eating regularly, they're gonna gain most of that water weight back.

Berserker
03-28-2003, 02:56 PM
Not all of it is water weight. I did it when not working out. Did ok. Takes alot of discipline and it can be expensive.

Ritzol
03-28-2003, 03:49 PM
For some people it can work..... and they do lose a lot of fat as well. The only reason they gain it all back is because they usually introduce carbs back into the diet all at once instead of gradually, and they usually aren't complex.

bradley
03-28-2003, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Ritzol
For some people it can work..... and they do lose a lot of fat as well. The only reason they gain it all back is because they usually introduce carbs back into the diet all at once instead of gradually, and they usually aren't complex.

:withstupi , The initial weight loss is due to the depletion of muscle glycogen and water weight. This is due to the fact that glycogen is stored in the body at a ratio of 3 grams of water for every 1g of carbohydrate. After this initial loss one can lose a good amount of fat following a ketogenic diet. Of course you must expect a similar weight gain when carbs are reintroduced into the diet.

Psilokan
03-29-2003, 08:15 AM
I lost 65 lbs on Atkins. Dont trash it. It works, better than low fat thats for sure.
The initial loss (in the first week) is your water storage. Then you start to burn fat right off your gut.

And many carbs are bad... read these if you dont believe me:
http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/22/sugar_calories.htm

Oh, and carbs do get converted into fat. Unless you're just coming off a low carb, your 2500 cal glycogen storage is always full, and you will spillover into your fat cells for sure.

Berserker
03-29-2003, 10:50 AM
Atkins is good for alot of people. Certain people better. The reason you get fat off any diet is going back to your old ways. After the induction period in atikins your supposed to add some carbs and do OW ongoing weight loss period then finally figure out what you can have a go on maintenance.
The main problem with it is will power. The first 2 weeks is 20g of carbs a day. All the steak you can eat but you would kill for glass of milk. First few days you might have headaches too. When i did it I gave up sugared pop, which was hard.

bradley
03-29-2003, 01:55 PM
And many carbs are bad... read these if you dont believe me:
http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/22/sugar_calories.htm

That article refers to too much sugar in the diet and not carbs in general.


Oh, and carbs do get converted into fat. Unless you're just coming off a low carb, your 2500 cal glycogen storage is always full, and you will spillover into your fat cells for sure.


Excess calories get converted into fat, not just carbs.

The amount of glycogen one can store is not a set number. Total glycogen storage capacity would be determined by muscle mass. A 150lb individual at 10%bf is obviously not going to be able to store as much muscle glycogen as a 250lb individual at 10% bf. Total glycogen storage in adults is approximately 200-500g according to Rob Faigin.

Ritzol
03-29-2003, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Psilokan



Oh, and carbs do get converted into fat. Unless you're just coming off a low carb, your 2500 cal glycogen storage is always full, and you will spillover into your fat cells for sure.

You are misinformed....... listen to bradley.

Severed Ties
03-29-2003, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by Psilokan

Oh, and carbs do get converted into fat. Unless you're just coming off a low carb, your 2500 cal glycogen storage is always full, and you will spillover into your fat cells for sure.

Only a very minimal portion of carbs you eat get stored as fat, this idea is one of the biggest myths still being perpetrated buy both BB'ing magazines and bodyfat control books. Why is it still around?...because someone wants an easy to cash in on peoples lack of knowledge, weak will, and insecurity.

I could put out a book that says "Eat Bacon not Oatmeal for a Fitter healthier you" and make MILLIONS....oh wait Atkins beat me too it...


Bottom line, carbs are important, fats are important, protein is important, EVERYTHING is important. It's when you understand the physiological roles macronutrients play in your body and the cascade of hormonal reactions they cause can you understand how to manipulate them.


ST

Ironman8
03-29-2003, 03:47 PM
Plus, look at the Japanese. Eating rice almost everyday, and look how skinny they are!

LAM
03-30-2003, 07:17 PM
The main problem with carbs is the effects that they have on serum glucose and the related insulin response. Protein, carbs and fats all stimulate an insulin response but only carbs can cause insulin to spike. Insulin spiking can cause unnecessary fat storage if it is not controlled.

noraa
03-31-2003, 01:44 AM
Man there are some real stupid people out there

The conversion of carbs to fat in humans is a relatively minor process, if you can make 10g of fat perday from carbs you are eating one absolute ass load of carbs.

This is the origonal premise of the low fat dieters, they took this fact and decided you could eat more carbs and not get fat.

Which was wrong

Just as bad as the low carb dieters who think that because they limit carbs, they can eat as much fat and protein and not get fat

which is also just as wrong.

Eat above maintenance, you will gain fat. Whether you are eating low carb or high carb.

Ironman8
03-31-2003, 07:26 AM
Well said.