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DowntoBusiness
05-08-2003, 03:39 PM
Ok, I'm at 1800-2000 a day on my CKD. On my Carb up day i'm planning to bump up to around 2400-2500 on saturday and 2200 (1/2 the day carb up).

Quick question, I'm taking in all complex carbs except maybe a donut. I've read that on carb ups you can really splurge and go all out, so maybe add another donut(s) or would this just increase the risk of higher fat gain :( (as usual)

I just couldnt remember if this little article I read was fact or not. I'll see if I can find it, it simply said you can eat crap on carb up days (ie fast food and sweets) just because there carbs. It sounded weird so I'm just checking :D

raniali
05-08-2003, 04:06 PM
from my past experience with CKD - i believe refeeding correctly is just as (or more) important than the keto days. refeeding should be primarily good, clean carbs, moderate protein and lower fat. your body is geared to start shoving everything it gets into the cells --- do you want it to store the extra, nonessential fat too?
one donut probably won't kill ya and there are those here who refeed with whatever they desire and still claim things work. i you want to eat crap - kids cereal, frozen yogurt, hard candies are some good, low fat choices.

SoulOfKoRea
05-08-2003, 04:22 PM
don't splurge!!!!

Brandon7775643
05-08-2003, 04:25 PM
I found this link very helpful:

http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm

If you can fit a few doughnuts into your macro breakdown, then it probably won't hurt things much.

bradley
05-08-2003, 05:37 PM
Why are you keeping cals so low during the carb up? If you are taking in 1800-2000 cals per day and losing weight then I would recommend eating more cals during the carb up. 2500 cals would put you right at maintenance or just a little above. The recommend carb intake is 8-10g of carbs per kilogram of LBM, not to mention you will need some protein and EFA's as well.

Throw in a donut it will not hurt you. Just don't eat the whole dozen:) That is one of the benefits of a CKD in that it allows you a little freedom on the carb load.

Ironman8
05-08-2003, 06:33 PM
Also, I heard it would be beneficial to start your carb up before you go to bed. But, that info's a little shaky.

bradley
05-08-2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by Ironman8
Also, I heard it would be beneficial to start your carb up before you go to bed. But, that info's a little shaky.

If your carb up is longer than one day, as his is, what would be the point?

I believe you are referring to NHE style carb ups which Faigin recommends having as the last one or two meals of the day to avoid "hormonal hunger," as he calls. This is caused by the sudden rise and fall of blood sugar levels.

Ironman8
05-08-2003, 08:20 PM
Yup, that's the refeed I heard about.

GhettoSmurf
05-08-2003, 08:42 PM
Have fun DowntoBusiness ;)

DowntoBusiness
05-08-2003, 10:17 PM
Alright I reead that article on thinkmuscle and I I'm going to take in 3200 Cals, 70% Carbs, 20% protein (or enough to hit 1g per/lb) and 10% fats. Roughly 3200-3500 cals depending if I'm working :(

bradley
05-09-2003, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by DowntoBusiness
Alright I reead that article on thinkmuscle and I I'm going to take in 3200 Cals, 70% Carbs, 20% protein (or enough to hit 1g per/lb) and 10% fats. Roughly 3200-3500 cals depending if I'm working :(

Sounds more like it. :)

Ironman8
05-09-2003, 08:26 AM
Good luck downtobusiness :)

GhettoSmurf
05-09-2003, 08:55 AM
Let me know how it goes ;)

When i cut i think ill try the CKD. Maybe ill have to come to you for some pointers ;)