First cycle

[Kayak_boy]

I was reading through ST's post again on the rules of this game...

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26753

... and it got me thinking about my first cycle. It really has me thinking.

But I thought I'd ask some of you guys about your first cycles.

What were your experiences?

Do you feel like you planned it well?

Would you have done anything different then with the knowledge you have now?

What cycles did you try?

Side effects?

I think that ST's post was really important and has made me focus a lot more on my reasons for wanting to try AAS. I thought if some of you guys could share your experiences it would also help out a lot of the guys on here who are about to embark on their first cycles, or even for some guyswho have made the jump but who are still on early cycles.

[Kayak_boy]

I'll bump this back up with the hope that someone might get the ball rolling.

I thought it would make for a good thread.... simingly not!;)

[captain piddles]

I havent had a first cycle, but I will keep it bumped for ya

[Kayak_boy]

One more bump...... up ya go!!!!


:)

[Calipso]

I wish I had a first cycle. :(

[dirtyvest]

Well so you have at least 1 answer...

Test at 500mg pw, deca at 400mg pw, dbol at 30mg for 4 weeks and winny at 50mg for the last 5 weeks.

Got much stronger and bigger. Loads of water retention but no other noticable sides.

The only thing I would do differently is perhaps a lighter cycle. It was a very good cycle and the compounds complemented each other perfectly but I don't think I really needed such a big 1st one.

My 2nd cycle was test only and my gains were not much less than those made on my 1st.

3rd cycle starts soon ;)

Dirty

[Kayak_boy]

LOL!!

Thanks Dirty.

That's the kinda thing I was looking for, to see if guys would have done things differently and that info could help first timers.

So how much test did you use for the second cycle?

[Bigwhiteboy123]

this was my first cycle...
PROS and CONS
ok here we go... i did ara-test 500 a week for ten weeks... really really should have waited longer.... gains of 27 pounds.. bench press went to me working out with my max.... squat went to working out with 350 compared to my max being 315 before i started... to maxing 465 my last wees... my cheeks got chubby i lost a tad bit of hair or maybe i was just paranoid.... i got ****in rock hard zits the size of kansas on my back that i needed to pop with plyers.. which i just recently got calmed down but it moved to my chest now.... went tanning to even it out chest is getting better though ..... ummm lets see... really small balls ... dick looks bigger.... it was 8 weeks ago since i finished and i lost 12 of the pounds of the 27... ooo and the biggest thing that i regret is that im 18.... i should of waited i had alot more potential naturally.... but what am i doing in 2 weeks.... deca 300 test 400 dbol 40mg winstrol for 4 weeks... so all in all i guess i enjoyed it lol.... i hope this helped ya out...

id say wait untill your sure that this is what you want because itll be with you untill you die..

[dirtyvest]

Originally posted by Kayak_boy
LOL!!

Thanks Dirty......

....So how much test did you use for the second cycle?

I actually went for 750mg pw as I was on a single compound, if I had done a lighter 1st cycle I would have had a lighter 2nd. My 3rd will be a stacked cycle so I'll drop back down to 500mg of test for that one.

[Kayak_boy]

So with the benefit of hindsight, what would your first cycle have been, something like 500mg test per week?

[Brawl]

1st cycle was 15 years ago --- 250mg test PW and 200mg deca PW . Way to little to do much , gained a little , got a little stronger kept about 10lbs on .

6 months later did 500mg test PW , 200mg deca PW and 30 mg dbol PD . Pretty good gains , a little acne, some water . Kept abput 10 - 15 lbs on .

Did pretty much the same cycle two more times but added some EQ , over a year and a half period . Total gains from 175lbs to about 220 lbs . I think I should note that I lifted HARD drug free for about 2 years before getting on the program . I started at 19 years old .

Quit for 12 years , back about a year and a half seriously now .
I pretty much stick with tren , test and some deca . I stay about 220 lbs at 13 % bf . Soon to be about 220 lbs at 7 or 8 % bf , it's a bitch when you get older .

[dirtyvest]

Originally posted by Kayak_boy
So with the benefit of hindsight, what would your first cycle have been, something like 500mg test per week?

with the benefit of hindsight I would say exactly something like that TBH. Although my 1st is an acceptable 1st timer cycle I just feel now that there was no real need to go for such a stack mainly because despite all the reaerch etc you are never 100% sure how your body will react and recover and a lighter start would have made coming off much easier both mentally and physically.

[JohnnyB]

My first was test enan at 500mg with eq at 400mg and I added femara. I wish I would of just went with the test only without the femara. Really didn't need to stack that much. The femara screwed up my lipid profile.

Now I know that with virgin receptors, I didn't need to do that much. Just finished my second I went 350mg of test enan and 300mg of eq. I felt better during the cycle and lipid profile was better.

JohnnyB

[Kayak_boy]

Seems to be a pretty common theme that you would go a lot lighter on dosages if you had your first cycle again. And maybe even not stack with other compounds.

Now this is the kinda info I was after, some actual experince from guys who've been there. Cheers guys:thumbup:

[JohnnyB]

It would seem that way, but when I was doing my research at the time guys were recommending doses with an anti-e. Which caused sides I didn't care for, now after doing more research and the first hand experience I realized, if I'm doing that much gear that I need to take some to stop the conversion of my gear to a side effect, then I'm taking to much.

We try to get to much out of one cycle. I see it all the time, "I want to gain as much as I can, then cut the last 4 or 6 weeks" We need to realize that to get to where want to be takes time and were going to be some places we don't want to be, but we need to go there to get to where we want to be.

If you want to stay lean and gain LBM then don't expect to gain 15-20lbs on a cycle. Take want the cycle gives you, be happy and don't think well if I up the doses I'll gain more. Most people when upping doses up water retention and sides so keep it simple, go slow you'll gain quality muscle. There is no microwave steroid, one cycle isn't going to get you where you want to be, it takes years not months.

JohnnyB

[Kayak_boy]

Very good post Johnny.

Just a point you made, do you reckon if one was to take something like 500 mg of test per week that they would not require an anti-e.

I think I'd error on the side of caution... gyno terrifies me!

[dirtyvest]

Nolv is too cheap not to have to hand, especially if it's your 1st cycle, you never know when gyno could rear it's ugly head....

[Kayak_boy]

I'd agree 100% with you there Dirty.