Creatine and Cuts (Newbie)

[harryhoudini66]

I have two questions for you guys. The first question is, is it okay to take Creatine and Fat burners at the same time? I have seen this posted before but the answer did not seem too clear. I just started taking Creatine today and also have been taking Extreme Ripped Fuel for about one month. However, I have recently ordered Xenadrine RFA-1 and will be taking that from now on. I realize that Xenadrine is some powerful stuff and that is why I am doubtful if I should mix it with Creatine.

Now the second question is kind of weird. I am not sure if I am imagining this or the Creatine is that good. A few minutes after I took Creatine, I felt my muscle spasm a bit (I worked out pretty hard yesterday so it may be that). I don’t know how to quite explain it but I feel my muscle fill-up. Almost like the blood flow has increased. At this point I cannot distinguish if the effects I am feeling are due to the Ripped Fuel or the Creatine. Any insight you guys have to offer is greatly appreciated.

By the way, I have been lurking these forums for about a month and really like it.

[harryhoudini66]

I see you guys do not have much love for us newbies. I will go back to lurking and research things myself. I guess it is better that way since I am not much for instant gratification anyways.

[Holto]

Originally posted by harryhoudini66
I have two questions for you guys. The first question is, is it okay to take Creatine and Fat burners at the same time?

*** Yes

A few minutes after I took Creatine, I felt my muscle spasm

*** couldn't have possibly reached muscle in a few minutes


to me creatine is like protein...

I constantly need it...I constantly take it

some of the contraversy about creatine and thermo's has to do with taking them at the same time and physically absorbing them both and some believe you should take them at different times

[harryhoudini66]

Thanks for the response. I will take them at separate times. I also only have about one more days worth of Ripped Fuel and expect to receive my Xenadrine on June 3.


Now I know that sounded like too quick, but I swear I feel my muscles fill up. The veins in my shoulders and arms are kind of bulging. I think that would be attributed to the cuts though. Anyway, I am happy with the results so far. I have only been working out for one month and I feel great and have seen changes. I only need to stop avoiding cardio. That is the only way I will loose my gut and bring out my abs. I am also doing everything else correctly. Taking one gram of protein for each pound I weight. Eating six times per day and started with my Creatine today. I think I am off to a good start.

Anyway, thanks again for the advice.

[AtomicXY]

I took ripped fule this past summer to get rid of the last bit of baby fat on my abs and I was on creatine at the same time and I was fine, but than again everyone is different.

[GIS]

They don't have similar characteristics whatsoever and react in different ways within the body. The only similarity is that you swallow them.

Just make sure to drink pleanty of water (ie 1+ gallon/day) and you'll be fine.

[Xmann]

i'm taking creatine and ripped fuel together and i've lost 13 pounds in 3 weeks in my cut. i would say take them together, i havent noticed any problems except the fact i am really loosing weight nicely (which i wouldnt call a problem).

[harryhoudini66]

Thank you all for your feedback. This has helped me greatly and hopefully will help other newbies. I am drinking a gallon of water a day. I don’t drink anything else during the week except on my free day. I really like the taste of the creatine.

On another note, I already bought a five month supply of Xenadrine RFA-1 and will buy another five month supply this Friday. I want to make sure I have enough for the year. I used to use Ripped Fuel a lot before and it always granted me results. In fact I got a lot of people hooked on the stuff, but since visiting these forums I see many people stating that Xenadrine is far better and with the news that ECA products possibly becoming illegal, I need to make sure I am covered. Once they are pulled from the shelves then I will make my own.

[Workhorse]

Cycle an ECA for 10 weeks on... 4 weeks off. Don't take it non-stop for a year.

[harryhoudini66]

That is right. I think the label also says not to use it for more then 12 weeks straight. Thanks for reminding me.

[Fenbay]

I'm taking something similiar plus a couple other supps.

I get the same kind of feeling from creatine. I don't visibly see it, but I def get the fullness in my muscles feeling.

If you scroll down a bit you'll see my OMG HELP thread where I had some unreal muscle spasms/cramps. I am attributing this to the creatine due to timing etc.

I think you may want to add in some calcium and mineral supps. My current logic is that the ECA stack causing a bit of a diuretic effect plus the creatine uptake of phosphate that binds up calcium ions leads to my muscle cramps.

Just a heads-up for you cause I started off with twitches too. Then all hell broke loose the other day with muscle spasms I wouldn't wish on my worse enemy.

[Holto]

no reason you can't take ECA for six months +

all clinical studies with that kind of duration show increased thermogenic benefits and de-creased side effects over time

[Workhorse]

Fenbay... DRINK MORE WATER.

Holto... I believe I read numerous studies that say the actual effectiveness declines over time... if I get some spare time, I'l do a search for them. Could you post links to those clinical studies you mentioned?

[ElPietro]

You don't need to cycle ECA stacks. There is no research showing this is ideal, and in fact there is much to suggest it is much more effective when taken long term.

[Workhorse]

Please post this research... I'm interested in reading it. :)

[Holto]

just go back to whatever you were reading Workhorse

if you managed to find several studies you will notice the majority of them if not all of them show what we mentioded...

everything I read was in print...

[bradley]

Originally posted by Workhorse
Please post this research... I'm interested in reading it. :)

Found this, and thought it would be worth posting:)http://nbaf.com/nbaf/mr6pd.htm

[Workhorse]

Thanks Bradley... at least someone was willing to post a link they had found...

[bradley]

Originally posted by Workhorse
Thanks Bradley... at least someone was willing to post a link they had found...

There is a lot of info on it if you run a search on google. I think it is also mentioned in the interview with L. McDonald on the WBB main page.

[Uirapuru]

hummmmm, I would say you can not gain muscle and loss fat at the same time. I have read that if you are fat first lose fat and then start training to gain muscle. Perhaps I am in a mistake and I should take all these supplements, plus something for my stomach not to collapse with all that stuff inside :)

[bradley]

Originally posted by Uirapuru
hummmmm, I would say you can not gain muscle and loss fat at the same time.

It is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. People who are new to training are the most likely for this to happen, or individuals using AAS. As far as an experienced trainer goes you are better off focusing on one goal (losing/gaining weight).

[Belial]

Uirapuru, for somebody who clearly knows very little about all supplements, bodybuilding, and the like (both admittedly, and from easy observation), you are extremely opinionated. If your views are not based on fact, then what the hell ARE they based on?

[Workhorse]

Ok, I did a bunch of research and these are the conclusions I've come to:
1. If you're making your own ECA stack... just take EC, the A does not affect the operation of the EC stack. A is not necessary.
2. After 24 weeks, thats when a decline in potency and effectiveness was noticed in studies done on ECA stacks. Taking it up until then is no problem. They recomend that you take 8 weeks off after the 24 weeks, and then go ahead and start again if you want.

:D

[Holto]

good post


24wks would be one hell of a cut

[stewbaby44]

dude are you taking your creatine and xenadrine on the same day everyday???

[harryhoudini66]

I am about to. I got my Xenadrine yesterday. I plan on taking both starting today.

[stewbaby44]

what type of dosages are you going to take them in

[harryhoudini66]

Well since I was using Extreme Ripped Fuel up until Thursday (got headaches when I ran out), I will take six per day. I already know that I have a good enough tolerance. As for the Creatine, I will only take 5 grams after my workout, although I am contemplating taking half before and the other half afterwards.

[bradley]

Originally posted by harryhoudini66
As for the Creatine, I will only take 5 grams after my workout, although I am contemplating taking half before and the other half afterwards.

I would just go with 5g postworkout along with some high GI carbs.


Well since I was using Extreme Ripped Fuel up until Thursday (got headaches when I ran out), I will take six per day. I already know that I have a good enough tolerance.

Just because you do not feel the effects of the ECA does not mean that it is not working. I would be careful about increasing the dosage and I recommend following the manufacturer's suggestions as far as dosing is concerned.

[harryhoudini66]

I assumed that the recommended dosage was six per day like Ripped Fuel. I did read the bottle earlier and realized that it is four. I will take four as recommended. I don’t want to end up like the idiots that don’t read instructions.