Zinc

[Berserker]

If you get pissy about the search function please skip this thread.

I bought some zinc today at Walmart 100 50mg for $4. I read about increasing test levels. I figured what the heck its cheap. Maybe it will put some more lead in my pencil.
Just wondering what people though about and what doses they took.
I read on a site that it can leach copper from your system. My vitamins contain 2mg of copper. Is this enough?
Looked at flax and fish oil, seemed decent price too.
Thanks.

[BUFF STUFF]

zinc can help reduce estrogen too :nod:

[Delphi]

Use the search function. *gets pissy* ;)

Seriously though...

Zinc's supposed to be taken with magnesium. ZMA has aspirin in it, but the aspirin's not necessary. ZMA's supposed to be taken just before bedtime, on the theory that you'll be raising test or HGH levels or whatever during sleep, which is when growth and repair are supposed to occur.

If you take your vitamin in the morning and the zinc at night you probably won't have any problems. Very few people have copper deficiencies to begin with.

[Tryska]

don't take more than 50mg additional a day. you're not supposed to take more than 100mg total, (including what's in your diet) otherwise it has detrimental affects on your immune response.

[pusher]

I thought the A in ZMA was for aspartate(sp)...is this aspirin? Delphi?

Berserker: I don't think copper will be an issue for you. I took ZMA for a month, and noticed better sleep, and gains, but I cannot atrribute them to ZMA alone. I think it contained about 450mg Zinc, 30mg magnezium, and some B6.

I think it could be usefull in bringing your zinc levels up to par if you have any deficiency.

One thing though. I know you can find Zinc in different forms, like gluconate or someting of the sort. I am not sure however, which is the best form to take for our purposes.

[bradley]

Originally posted by pusher
Berserker: I don't think copper will be an issue for you. I took ZMA for a month, and noticed better sleep, and gains, but I cannot atrribute them to ZMA alone. I think it contained about 450mg Zinc, 30mg magnezium, and some B6.


I think you meant 30mg Zn and 450mg of Mg. At least I hope you are not taking 450mg of zinc:)

[Tryska]

right? the boy would be busting out in sores.

[Berserker]

Well I already bought the zinc. Should I buy magnesium too, 450mg? I got to run to town today anyways. Take them both before bed?
Thanks guys. I probably should have done more research before buying. But I don't usually get to town often and did a little research the night before and made an impulse buy.

[bradley]

Originally posted by Berserker
Well I already bought the zinc. Should I buy magnesium too, 450mg? I got to run to town today anyways. Take them both before bed?
Thanks guys. I probably should have done more research before buying. But I don't usually get to town often and did a little research the night before and made an impulse buy.

If you are trying to make you own homemade ZMA then yes I would pick up the Mg and some B6 which is the ingredients in ZMA. I believe the recommended dose is 30mg Zn, 450mg of Mg, and about 10mg of B6. The B6 and Zinc will be relatively cheap and the Mg will probably cost you a little more in comparison to the other ingredients.

Also try not to take the above with any dairy products due to the calcium.

[Tryska]

finally! someone who understands about the cal/mag competition for absorption. now someone please tell me why so many supplement companies don't understand this?

[bradley]

Originally posted by Tryska
finally! someone who understands about the cal/mag competition for absorption. now someone please tell me why so many supplement companies don't understand this?

I am sure they understand but they probably just don't care. Consumers are looking for a supplement that has everything rolled into one and don't like the idea of having to take things separately. The supplement companies will happily give them what they want even if it doesn't benefit the consumer as much. Just my .02:soapbox:

[BUFF STUFF]

Originally posted by Tryska
finally! someone who understands about the cal/mag competition for absorption. now someone please tell me why so many supplement companies don't understand this?

yes I used to get

Calcium
Magnecium
Zinc

Tablets

They still make them

Usless huh

[Berserker]

So you can't take zinc and mg with diary? I was planning on taking it with my cottage cheese before bed. Now I have to rethink everything. Sucks

[pusher]

LOL at Bersie's impulse buying:)

Yes, thanks for correcting me Bradley, 450mg Mg.

The Ca/Mg thing is what I was wondering about. If I understand correctly, calcium containing magnesium tabs won't be effective?
What form of Mag is good for making homemade ZMA?

[bradley]

Originally posted by pusher


If I understand correctly, calcium containing magnesium tabs won't be effective?
What form of Mag is good for making homemade ZMA?

I was referring more to the calcium interfering with the absorption of zinc. It can interfere with the absorption of Mg but from what I understand you have to take a lot of calcium to accomplish this.

I have always seen Mg aspartate recommended.

[bradley]

Originally posted by Berserker
So you can't take zinc and mg with diary? I was planning on taking it with my cottage cheese before bed. Now I have to rethink everything. Sucks

Do you eat your cottage cheese immediately before going to bed? If so you could take the minerals about 30 minutes or so before eating which should give the caps time to digest and then eat your cottage cheese. I don't know how much difference that would make but it should help.

[Berserker]

The zinc say to take with a meal. Does it really mater? I usually have some cottage chese about a hour before bed. Does it have to be taken at night to be effective? I bought to increase test, but if it helps me sleep that would be great. I am a light sleeper.

I orginally wasn't planning on a homemade zma. Just bought the zinc. Bought the mg last night. When they run out I'll probably buy it together. But I got 100 caps. Also I got 50/500 mg.

[Tryska]

well if you have the cottage cheese and hour befor ebed, just take the zma right before bed.

[Berserker]

Thanks. I didn't realize this was gonna get so complicated, just wanted to put a little more lead in my pencil.

[bradley]

Originally posted by Berserker
Thanks. I didn't realize this was gonna get so complicated, just wanted to put a little more lead in my pencil.

How much it matters in the grand scheme of things, I don't know. T's idea sounds like a winner:D

[Uirapuru]

What about eating before going to bed?, is it not supposed to be bad, given that you are not going to use this energy, and so it will transform into fat?

[bradley]

Originally posted by Uirapuru
What about eating before going to bed?, is it not supposed to be bad, given that you are not going to use this energy, and so it will transform into fat?

That is just a myth. It comes down to overall calorie balance at the end of the day.

[Mystic Eric]

Originally posted by Uirapuru
What about eating before going to bed?, is it not supposed to be bad, given that you are not going to use this energy, and so it will transform into fat?

Just goes to show you that your claim of you being a "biologist" (though I doubt your claim highly) has no significance or backing for most of your comments.

If you sleep for 8 hours or so, your body is still repairing itself and still needs calories. The fasting puts you in a catabolic state. So not eating close to bed time would just prolong that catabolic state.