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Mic Soloist
06-10-2003, 12:54 PM
I usually take in about

165g Protein
130g Protein
45g Fat


However I sometimes end up with 150-160g of protein due to extra bread with tuna or something. Is 160 carbs per day to much while trying to gain LBW and keep off fat??

I eat between 1600-1700 calories per day and that is why I try to keep it around 130 carbs, but that is tough on some days.


-peace-

Behemoth
06-10-2003, 01:53 PM
165g Protein
130g Protein
45g Fat


first off fix your typo:)

secondly, your eating 1600-1700kcals at a weight of 160lbs? Although formulas are crap, thats 10x bodyweight. I weigh 170 and am DIETING on 2300kcals. I think you need to up your protein, carbs and fat signifigantly if you want to gain any mass whatsoever.

bradley
06-10-2003, 02:32 PM
The amount of carbs in your diet is really insignificant. Make sure that you are getting adequate protein and EFAs in your diet and then worry about overall calories, not carbs. Carbs are not evil:D

Mic Soloist
06-10-2003, 02:38 PM
But don't they block fat from being burned?

Backdraft
06-10-2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Mic Soloist
But don't they block fat from being burned?

It's a misconception. Carbs are extremely important to daily function. In the book "Power Eating" they recommend 8 grams of carbs per kilogram of body weight. (take your weight in lbs., divide by 2.2 to get kilograms, and multiply that by 8). My number is 690 grams of carbs which I feel is a little on the high side for trying to lose fat. I try to get 450-500 and now that I do, I have started to lose fat.

SoulOfKoRea
06-10-2003, 05:10 PM
carbs don't "block" fat from being burned, but when carbs aren't available, THEN fats and proteins are burned for energy instead

carbs aren't evil, you need them.

bradley
06-10-2003, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Backdraft
Carbs are extremely important to daily function. In the book "Power Eating" they recommend 8 grams of carbs per kilogram of body weight. (take your weight in lbs., divide by 2.2 to get grams, and multiply that by 8). My number is 690 grams of carbs which I feel is a little on the high side for trying to lose fat. I try to get 450-500 and now that I do, I have started to lose fat.

You can function just fine without carbohydrates. Granted exercise performance might suffer (low glycogen levels) but as far as daily function they are not necessary. The body needs protein and EFAs hence the terms essential amino acids and essential fatty acids. There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.

IMO formulas like the one described above would have most people well over maintenance calories. According to that formula my carbs are supposed to ~781:eek:

Just make sure that you are getting in adequate protein and EFAs and then if fill in the rest of your daily cals with carbs.

bradley
06-10-2003, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Mic Soloist
But don't they block fat from being burned?

Insulin can block fat burning, but overall calorie balance at the end of the day is what determines if you lose weight. The amount of carbs you eat is insignificant assuming you are eating adequate amounts of protein and EFAs.

SoulOfKoRea
06-10-2003, 05:17 PM
Bradley would be eating 3124 Calories just from carbs alone :eek:

Mic Soloist
06-10-2003, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Backdraft


It's a misconception. Carbs are extremely important to daily function. In the book "Power Eating" they recommend 8 grams of carbs per kilogram of body weight. (take your weight in lbs., divide by 2.2 to get grams, and multiply that by 8). My number is 690 grams of carbs which I feel is a little on the high side for trying to lose fat. I try to get 450-500 and now that I do, I have started to lose fat.

:eek:



Mine said 589.... I would be a fukkin blimp if I ate that much.


How many calories do u eat per day?


-peace-

Mic Soloist
06-10-2003, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by bradley


Insulin can block fat burning, but overall calorie balance at the end of the day is what determines if you lose weight. The amount of carbs you eat is insignificant assuming you are eating adequate amounts of protein and EFAs.


At 162(I gained another pound:))

How many EFA's do u think I need?


I try to get 25% of my total calories in EFA's, which is usually between 45-55.


Is that str8?



-peace-

Backdraft
06-10-2003, 06:18 PM
450 grams carbs x 4 cal/gram = 1800
130 grams protein x 4 cal/gram = 520
45 grams fat x 9 cal/gram = 405

2725 total calories, give or take.

pinoy
06-10-2003, 07:48 PM
you're gaining weight eating 1600 cals a day? holy moly

GhettoSmurf
06-10-2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Mic Soloist



At 162(I gained another pound:))

How many EFA's do u think I need?


I try to get 25% of my total calories in EFA's, which is usually between 45-55.


Is that str8?



-peace-

try to get around 20-30% from fats. just that isnt much on a 1600 calories diet. in other words EAT MORE!

Mic Soloist
06-10-2003, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by pinoy
you're gaining weight eating 1600 cals a day? holy moly

Thats my point. I was maintaining weight and gaining a little on 1500 calories per day. With the 1600-1700 I'm eating now I am gaining a lot. I have gained 5 pounds in the last 1.5 weeks. Around May 25 I was 156 and now I am 162 and I really haven't gained much on my waist. It doesn't take much at all for me to gain weight. That is why I can't eat more.

Y2A
06-10-2003, 08:45 PM
Your metabolism is probably crashed. Bump up your calories slowly... you probably maintain in the low-mid 2000's, but you are in conserve mode.

Mic Soloist
06-10-2003, 09:03 PM
How can I be in conserve mode when I eat every two hours and I am always full?

bradley
06-11-2003, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by Mic Soloist



At 162(I gained another pound:))

How many EFA's do u think I need?


I try to get 25% of my total calories in EFA's, which is usually between 45-55.


Is that str8?



25-30% of cals from fat is fine IMO, but you need to make sure that you are getting both omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids. Most people get plenty of omega 6 fatty acids through their diet, so I am sure you are getting plenty of those. Omega 3 fatty acids would come from things like oily fish (salmon for example), fish oil, flax oil, etc. Most people do not get adequate amounts of omega 3s in their diet which is why supplementing with fish oil or flax oil can be beneficial.

bradley
06-11-2003, 03:09 AM
Originally posted by GhettoSmurf


try to get around 20-30% from fats. just that isnt much on a 1600 calories diet. in other words EAT MORE!

If he is gaining weight by eating 1600cals a day then I would recommend staying at that current calorie intake until he stops gaining weight. Just saying eat more when he is already gaining is just going to put on bf more than likely.

Slowly adding weight (LBM) will help increase his metabolism due to the increase in muscle mass.