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Maki Riddington
08-20-2001, 03:46 PM
If it says "SUGAR FREE," on the label, DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!

Article written by Nancy Markle

I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on
"ASPARTAME" marketed as 'NutraSweet', 'Equal', and 'Spoonful'. In the
keynote address by the EPA, it was announced that in the United States in
2001 there is an epidemic of multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus, that it
was hard to understand what toxin was causing this to be rampant. I stood up
and said that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject.

I will explain why Aspartame is so dangerous: When the temperature of this
sweetener exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME converts to
formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic
acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants).

The methanol toxicity mimics among other conditions multiple sclerosis.
People were being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. The
multiple >sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is!
Systemic lupus has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially
with Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. The victim usually does not know that
the aspartame is the culprit. He or she continues its use, aggravating the
lupus to such a degree that it may become life-threatening. We have seen
patients with systemic lupus become asymptomatic once taken off diet sodas.
In the case of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, (when in reality, the
disease is methanol toxicity), most of the symptoms disappear. We've seen
many cases where vision returned and hearing improved markedly.

This also applies to cases of tinnitus. During a lecture I said "If you are
using ASPARTAME (NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc.) and you suffer from
fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting pains, numbness in your legs, cramps,
vertigo, dizziness, headaches, tinnitus, joint pain, depression, anxiety
attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss-you probably have
ASPARTAME DISEASE!"

People were jumping up during the lecture saying, "I've got some of these
symptoms: Is it reversible?" Yes! Not drinking diet sodas and keeping an eye
out for aspartame on food labels, yes!

We have a very serious problem. A stranger came up to Dr. Espisto (one of my
speakers) and me and said: "Could you tell me why so many people seem to be
coming down with MS?" During a visit to a hospice, a nurse said that six of
her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been diagnosed with
MS. This is beyond coincidence!

Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi etc. IS NOT A DIET PRODUCT! The Congressional Record
states that it makes you crave carbohydrates and will make you FAT. The
formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs.
Once off these products with no significant increase in exercise etc., Dr.
Roberts in his lecture stated that he had patient who lost an average of 19
pounds over a trial period.

Aspartame is especially dangerous for diabetics. We found that physicians
would believe that they have a patient with retinopathy, when in fact the
symptoms are caused by aspartame. The aspartame drives the blood sugar out of
control. Thus diabetics may suffer acute memory loss due to the fact that
aspartic acid and phenylalanine are neurotoxic without the other amino acids
found in protein. Thus it passes the blood brain barrier and deteriorates
the neurons of the brain, causing in diabetics (as well as in patients not
suffering from diabetes) various kinds of brain damage, seizures, depression,
manic depression, panic attacks, rage, violence. (The aspartame in thousands
of pallets of diet Coke and diet Pepsi consumed by men and women fighting in
the Gulf War, may be partially to blame for the well-known Gulf War
Syndrome.)

Dr Roberts warns that it can cause birth defects i.e. mental retardation if
taken at the time of conception and early pregnancy. Children are especially
at risk for neurological disorders and should NOT be given NutraSweet. I can
relate different case histories of children having mal seizures and other
disturbances being on NutraSweet. Unfortunately it is not always easy to
convince a mother that aspartame is to blame for her child's illness. Only by
trial and success will she be able to warn other mothers to take their
children's health in their own hands.

Stevia, a sweet herb, NOT A MANUFACTURED ADDITIVE, which helps in the
metabolism of sugar (which would be ideal for diabetics) has now been
approved as a dietary supplement by the FDA. For years the FDA has outlawed
this sweet food because of their loyalty to MONSANTO.

Books on this subject are available: EXCITOTOXINS: THE TASTE THAT KILLS -
written by Dr. Russell Blayblock (Health Press 1-800-643-2665) and DEFENSE
AGAINST ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE - written by Dr.. H. J. Roberts, also a diabetic
specialist. These two doctors will be posting a position paper with some case
histories on the deadly effects of Aspartame on the Internet. According to
the Conference of the American College of Physicians "we are talking about a
plague of neurological diseases caused by this deadly poison."

Here is the problem: There were Congressional Hearings when aspartame was
included in 100 different products. Since this initial hearing, there have
been two subsequent hearings, but to no avail. Nothing has been done.

The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Now there are over
5,000 products containing this chemical, and the PATENT HAS EXPIRED!!! I
assure you, MONSANTO, the creator of Aspartame knows how deadly it is. They
fund among others, the American Diabetes Association, the American Dietetic
Association, the Conference of the American College of Physicians. This has
been exposed in the New York Times - to no avail. These Associations cannot
criticize any additives or convey their link to MONSANTO because they take
money from the food industry and have to endorse their products.

Senator Howard Hetzenbaum wrote a bill that would have warned all infants,
pregnant mothers and children of the dangers of aspartame. The bill would
have also instituted independent studies on the problems existing in the
population (seizures, changes in brain chemistry, changes neurological and
behavioral; symptoms). It was killed by the powerful drug and chemical
lobbies, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting
public.


*** Just curious as I remember Tryska was badgering Cack about
this. I believe that Aspartame is evil. This stems from what happened to my dad. He was a avid diet cola drinker as well as partaking in anything that contained Aspartame. Since he is a diabetic he was limited to what he could eat or drink as a way to satisfy his sugar cravings. Anyways he ended up with some sort of degeneration of the retna or something and had to endure some painful laser surgery. These appointments helped only for a brief while. These episodes continued until he stumbled across a article on a news group raving about the dangers of Aspartame. Well sure enough he decided to cut all Aspartame out and voila what do you know his eye sight was restored to normal. To this day he is fine.
So the moral of this story is beware of Aspartame!!

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Cackerot69
08-20-2001, 05:19 PM
Bollox.

Tryska
08-20-2001, 05:45 PM
*pulls cack's mullet*

told you so gooface.

but that's cool..live in denial...everyone thought i was a fringe looney 10 years ago when i was on about free radicals. Now it's a Medical catch-phrase.



great article maki mak! ;)

Cackerot69
08-20-2001, 06:09 PM
I could dig up an article that contradicts everything you just said, too....but I'm too lazy.

*drinks diet coke*

Frankster
08-20-2001, 06:19 PM
:eek: CAck!

Don't drink that.. that's motor oil!


See .. you vision is already damaged.

Maki Riddington
08-20-2001, 06:20 PM
Cackerot, I think you're missing the point.............
The point is that you should be wary of artificial sweetners.
I used a great example of my dad.

It's not about digging up articles and attempting to dispell what has been said.

Note the moral was"Beware" not it is a proven fact.

Cackerot69
08-20-2001, 06:22 PM
OK.

*Carefully inspects diet coke then drinks it*

BTW, good that you're dad is fine now :)

Maki Riddington
08-20-2001, 06:23 PM
Thank you.:)

Frankster
08-20-2001, 06:24 PM
I don't know how you keep drinking that motor oil.

Cackerot69
08-20-2001, 06:37 PM
BTW, I see where this is from..... ;)

Pup
08-20-2001, 08:18 PM
bah

Hercules
08-20-2001, 10:56 PM
formaldehyde, mmmmm, i'm a well preserved person. lol.

this kid at work tells me not to drink diet coke cause of this so i tell him not to drink coke due to the poison known as processed sugar which it contains way more of than my little diet coke. i don't drink that much diet soda(a few a day, the rest water) but i still don't think people should tell me not to drink something they feel is not good for you while they poison their bodies with all the processed carbohydrates they eat and drink. sorry folks but i think that will kill you faster than my 2 or 3 diets drinks a day, that don't ever get 80+ degrees, if they do i dump them out.

good topic though, maki.

c_8nOM
08-21-2001, 08:17 AM
When the temperature of this
sweetener exceeds 86 degrees F


Today's lesson:
Dont drink Diet coke heated.....

hemants
08-21-2001, 12:30 PM
Well, I've also heard that aspartame causes permanent loss to your short term memory and that the effects are cumulative.

As long as your not drinking 5 cans a day DC should be fine. But then again, who needs it?

"Looks at tall non-fat latte and takes a sip"

The_Chicken_Daddy
08-21-2001, 01:19 PM
gotta admit folks, since i'm only gonna be on this planet for an average of about 70 years or so, i ain't gonna really concern myself about artificial sweetners and diet coke...

Craig James
08-21-2001, 01:27 PM
I have 2 questions:

1. How do you know that your diet coke has not been heated over 86 degrees? Here in Phoenix, it is almost a given that at some point in the transportation process, the diet coke will break the 90 degree barrier...

2. Hemants, you said, "As long as your not drinking 5 cans a day DC should be fine. " Well, if aspartame is indeed bad, then how can you determine what the cutoff is for how many diet cokes one can drink before it becomes bad? 5? 4? 3? 678? Just curious.

Maki, interesting article, but I have to think that there would be some sort of inquiry into this product if there was this much of a problem!

All I can say is - I never did like that diet crap anyway...

Tryska
08-21-2001, 01:30 PM
i'm with you craig.....actually i've always been allergic to aspartame, so i never did get into that whole diet thing.....plus, i don't actually drink sodas or juices anyway...so i don't really need that sweet fix....

but i'm guessing it hasn't "come to light" for the same reasons that the USFDA advocates low protein high carb diets...."t'wouldn't be prudent at this juncture" for the big money backers.

actually the studies have been around.....they've just been swept under the rugs for whatever (financial) reasons.....

hemants
08-21-2001, 01:51 PM
Maybe it's a naive way to approach things but if it's on the market then it's probably ok in moderation.

That being said I never touch the diet stuff. Besides the fact that it has an aftertaste from hell (like Colgate mouthwash or something), I only drink Coke with Pizza which is at most twice a month and even then I'm lucky if I finish one can.

Yes, yes, I know Pizza

tuttut hehe

The_Chicken_Daddy
08-21-2001, 01:55 PM
Hemants, i disagree...


Pizza :thumbup:

Craig James
08-21-2001, 01:57 PM
I hear you, Hemants. I personally am battling an awful addiction to Dr. Pepper and Hand-tossed Pepperoni, Sausage, and Pineapple pizzas... Lord, please help me to abstain!!!!!!!!!!!

Tryska
08-21-2001, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Craig James
I hear you, Hemants. I personally am battling an awful addiction to Dr. Pepper and Hand-tossed Pepperoni, Sausage, and Pineapple pizzas... Lord, please help me to abstain!!!!!!!!!!!


damn....that actually sounds good today......must be hormonal.

hemants
08-21-2001, 02:18 PM
Just be glad you don't live in Canada.

Goddam Tim Horton's Timbits :help:

Cackerot69
08-21-2001, 03:19 PM
Well I wasn't going to do this, but it's always best to get both sides of a story....

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Industry Insider Vol. 6:


Aspartame: Cutting Through the Controversy


By Guest Writer Sandra Marshall for Iron Magazine Online - Issue 3 - October 14, 2000.




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Perhaps more than any other dietary supplement, aspartame has born the brunt of more criticism and debauchery than it deserves. Quacks and lunatics from all walks of society have come out of the woodwork to proclaim its death causing effects. "Aspartame Disease" is what they call it, and symptoms include headaches, dizziness, change of mood, vomiting and well pretty much every other minor thing that could be perceived as wrong with the human body. In fact according to aspartame naysayers, there are literally thousands of case studies of aspartame use being linked to numerous "diseases" and disorders. Some are beginning to believe that just mentioning the word aspartame is enough to induce a seizure!

Is all of this true? Or is it simply a scare tactic put out by the powerful arm of the sugar industry who feel they are losing money to aspartame-based products?

Well, let's take a look at aspartame and see just what it is.

Aspartame is the methyl ester of the dipeptide aspartyl-phenylalanine. This compound is known by many synonyms and trade names including Equal, Nutrasweet, L-Phenylalanine, N-L-alpha-aspartyl-1-methyl ester, and L-Aspartyl-L-phenylalanine methyl ester. The molecular weight of the compound is 294.31g and the empirical formula is C14H18N2O5.



It was discovered in 1965 by G. Searle Laboratories by James Schlatter. Schlatter is a chemist who was working to find an inhibitor of gastrin with possible applications as an anti-ulcer agent. The story is well known by now, but in short Schlatter spilled some of the aspartame solution, and upon licking his fingers to pick up a piece of paper, he noticed they had a sweet taste. He traced the sweetness back to the flask and the rest is history. Surprisingly aspartame is one of the most studied compounds out there. Numerous studies were performed throughout the 60's and 70's and by 1981 is was proclaimed as safe as an alternative to sugar. It was first marketed in dry goods, but by 1983, it was approved to be used in carbonated beverages. Now it's used in hundreds more applications and in most diet products.

So what happens to aspartame once it gets ingested?

Aspartame breaks down in the body as diketopiperzaine (DKP), methanol and aspartyl-phenylalanine. When heated similar breakdowns occur (which is why it loses sweetness when heated). The controversy surround aspartame concerns what happens once aspartame is broken down in the body. Methonol is converted to alcohol dehydrogenase to formaldehyde, which is converted to formic acid with metabolism taking place largely in the gastrointestinal tract. This might seem very undesirable, however researchers haven't found an increase in blood methanol or fomic acid elevations in the bloodstream of aspartame users. A study done at the Harvard Medical School showed that subject ingesting aspartame had only higher phenylalanine (which is an essential amino acid) levels, but no increase in methanol or formaldehyde.

Another claim made by anti-aspartame websites and literature, is that aspartame has been linked to increases in the risk of seizures and other impaired brain functions. In a controlled study that tested the effects of aspartame on neuropsychologic and neurophysiologic function, researchers sought to determine whether aspartame can disrupt cognitive (learning, thinking, and knowing), neurophysiologic (relationship between neurological function and behavior), or behavioral functioning in normal individuals. By testing these functions, brain dysfunction and central nervous system disorders can be evaluated. Mood, aggression and selected cognitive functions were tested during this study in which some of the subjects consumed doses of aspartame nearly 20 times the daily amount taken by the majority of the general population. During a four-month period, subjects received either aspartame, sugar or a placebo and underwent physical and psychological testing. For aspartame, the people were assigned to either a high or low dose. The high dose was equal to 45mg per kilogram of body weight--the equivalent of 17 to 24 12-ounce diet beverages for males and 14 to 19 12-ounce drinks for females. The "low" dose was equal to 15mg per kilogram of body weight. In the general population, most Americans who consume aspartame take in 3 milligrams per kilogram of body weight a day, the equivalent of one or less 12-ounce diet beverage. Despite the high consumption of aspartame, the 48 normal subjects in this study showed no changes in mood, memory, behavior, electroencephalograms (which record the electrical signals of the brain) or physiology that related to aspartame. Although some subjects reported headaches, fatigue, nausea and acne, the same number of incidences was reported by subjects taking placebo and sugar as those taking aspartame. Therefore, even large daily doses of aspartame had no adverse effect on the subjects' health and well being.

Another major concern regarding aspartame consumption is cancer. Aspartame, according to some, has carcinogenic effects. They site the fact that there has been increase in the incidence of brain tumors in human patients since aspartame was approved for use in the U.S. food supply (1981). Though it should be noted that the trend of higher occurrences of brain tumors has been going on since the 1970's, and that the increase in the number of reported brain tumors could be attributed to the technological advances that have been made in diagnosis.

Others claim that the FDA in the United States is covering up studies and knowledge that aspartame is unsafe. However, the U.K. Committee on Toxicity of Chemicals in Food, Consumer Products and the Environment (COT) fully reviewed aspartame in 1982, when it was classified as acceptable for use in food. Since 1982, the COT has reviewed issues related to the safety of aspartame in the scientific literature. The U.K. COT has stated that the reviews of literature has not caused them to change their advice that aspartame is safe. The COT has studied the potential effects of high doses of aspartame on brain neurotransmitters and behavior. They found that adverse neurochemical or neurobehavioral effects have only been seen in animal studies using exposures to aspartame, which far exceed extreme intake figures for the U.K. They attest that "at current intake levels no neurotoxic effects have been observed or would be expected." They also reviewed results of the extensive tolerance and pharmacokinetic (the action of drugs in the body over a long period of time) studies on aspartame in humans. The data indicates no adverse effects in various human subpopulations following exposure to aspartame at doses up to 75mg/kg body weight each day for 24 weeks or up to 135mg/kg body weight a day for a shorter period. Pharmacokinetic studies have established that both large doses and repeated doses of aspartame result in plasma levels of its components, which are considered safe.

So is there anything wrong at all with aspartame? Well the most common complaint with aspartame is reported headaches, which accounted for approximately 20% of all complaints in the U.S. The results of two studies that have investigated the relationship between aspartame and headache differed markedly from each other. The conclusions from one were that the incidence of headache from aspartame and placebo was equivalent. In the second study only 11 of 25 subjects, all who reportedly suffered from migraine, and all of who presupposed that they were adversely affected by aspartame, finished the study. Because of the high dropout rate, the conclusions of this study are tentative. However, it was considered that the ingestion of aspartame by migraine sufferers might cause a statistical increase in the frequency of migraines in some subjects. It might be advisable for migraine sufferers to avoid aspartame or at least lower your daily intake.

A note on daily intake. Americans consume an average daily intake less than 2 percent of the FDA guideline. The most frequent consumers of aspartame are consuming only 4 percent to 7 percent of the allowable daily intake. Children consume larger amounts of all food ingredients than adults in relation to their body weight. Therefore, since children are smaller in size they consume slightly more per kilogram of weight. The average consumption of aspartame in children between the ages of 2 and 5 is 3 percent of the ADI. Children who consume aspartame most frequently have been found to consume from 4 percent to 16 percent of the ADI. Quite simply, aspartame consumption simply isn't high enough to cause any adverse reactions, at least not the thousands that it is portrayed to have caused.

Unbiased information on aspartame is very hard to find. There are many sources which are anti-aspartame, which have their standard-issued propaganda, and similarly, many pro-Nutra Sweet organizations which have the standard form on aspartame as well. However based on all the unbiased information I came across, I could find no studies that confirmed that aspartame had any adverse reactions in healthy people. This leads me to conclude that the bad press on aspartame has a more sinister goal, one other than the safety of people potentially consuming it.

Consult your medical library anytime you are unsure about a compound or dietary supplement. Doing research will give you the "heads up" and allow you to be an informed consumer, capable of making smart purchases.



Sandra is a certified personal trainer from Sacramento, California, and has a background in Exercise Science. If you have any questions for Sandra, please visit our message board.



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Maki Riddington
08-21-2001, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by Craig James
ad? 5? 4? 3? 678? Just curious.

Maki, interesting article, but I have to think that there would be some sort of inquiry into this product if there was this much of a problem!




*** My dad is just one example. There are many others as well as some of his freinds that suffered as well.

Anyways if someone was to bring a legal suit against the makers I believe it would be one of the biggest law suits in the history of the beverage industry.
Too bad that they probally have covered their butts so well that any attempt to learn the truth would be futile.

Tryska
08-21-2001, 07:04 PM
all the studies in the world can't beat real-world evidence.

Cackerot69
08-21-2001, 07:06 PM
Exactly.

How many people drink diet coke/aspartame containing products?

How many people get fucked up from them?

....

Maki Riddington
08-21-2001, 07:21 PM
Obviously there is something that needs to be done about products that are artificial.

Even though there are millions drinking these products that contain this sweetner there are still enough cases that have shown that there may be in fact something odd about this product.

Tryska
08-21-2001, 07:30 PM
it's sweet....but not cuz it's a sugar of some sort.

something very wierd/unnatural about that.

it causes 2% of the population to have seizures. ao it affects the brain/CNS some kinda way.

that should be a heads up.....

but nevermind.

Hercules
08-22-2001, 01:17 AM
ok, so bann the stuff like everything else. then people like me who have drank diet drinks all their lives will have to drink those poison drinks called regular sodas. i drink water but man now and then you need something different. name me a safer artificial sweetner and let's get it used intstead. saccarine, where did it go, lost out to aspartame, which when i was in nutrition class at the university of south alabama, our instructor( a phd in nutrition) says it's the safest of the sweetners out there. i'm not saying he's the ultimate authority but i do respect his opinion except when he says follow the food guide pyramid. anyway, we dieters have to have something. you skinny folk want to take it all away and sue people. again you wanna sue for something you chose or someone else chose to do, bollox as they say. take responsibility for your own friggin actions and deal with it. i can't sue macky d's for their nuggets making me fat, i have to stay away from them and move on. by the way, they did'nt i was just using that as an example.

sorry, got a bit ranty there.

Tryska
08-22-2001, 04:23 AM
stevia, followed by sucralose.


i still thik you'd be better off weaning off the sweet tooth, but if you must, those are the two sweeteners i would use, although the jury is still out on sucralose as far as i'm concerned, so i would use it very sparingly.

Cackerot69
08-22-2001, 06:49 AM
I say aspartame is the safest out there.

It's been tested more than just about anything, with people always trying to come to the conclusion that it's unsafe....and they can never prove ****, thus it's still out on the market. There's never been any conclusive evidence that aspartame caused anything bad to those who consumed it (humans)...that article Maki posted was written by some aspartame hating freak, kinda like the notmilk guys...

Some other **** this guy has said...

"The world's health is hostage to this covert, devious and
persistent sellout of public interests to corporate gold. If
you value your life and the health of your family get off this
poison immediately, return all aspartame products to the
supermarket and sound a cry of alarm and umbrage to be heard
'round this broad planet. Only thus can we influence the conscienceless moguls of mayhem and their bureaucratic buddies
gifted with less civic concern than common crooks." [08/18/97]

"So don't try to make people think aspartame doesn't cause cancer, because it caused brain tumors, ovarian tumors, mammary tumors, uterine tumors, etc." [08/10/97]

"Dear Heather: I take it you do not recognize aspartame as poison. When a deadly drug blinds and kills I would call it a poison."[08/01/96]

Basically, the guy is fookin psycho conspiracy theorist.

BadKarma
02-14-2003, 07:44 AM
Originally posted by Hercules
i drink water but man now and then you need something different.

BEER!

HANSEL
02-14-2003, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by Tryska
all the studies in the world can't beat real-world evidence.

The famous Mr. X claims to eat 40packets (at least) a day of Equal for like, the last ten years and hes fine....dunno what thats worth but hey.

HANSEL
02-14-2003, 08:32 AM
FDA Alert: Current Legal Regulations Regarding the Use of Stevia
As of September 2000, the use of Stevia as an ingredient in consumable foods has been disapproved in the following geographical areas:
North America
Central America
South America
European Union (EU)
These laws have been enacted recently and over the past few years by the FDA and the governing bodies of the EU. In the United States, any consumable food or drink that contains Stevia is considered "adulterated." Stevia may be used in the United States as a stand alone "dietary supplement" or an herb, but not as a sweetener.
Potential Toxicity and Side Effects of Stevia Ingestion
Currently, Canada and the European Union do not allow food companies to add Stevia to their products. In 1998 and 1999 the EU food safety scientific review panel concluded that Stevioside is "not acceptable" as a sweetener due to unresolved concerns about its toxicity. The United Nations expert panel came to the same conclusion. European scientists concluded that Stevioside "seems to affect the male reproductive organ system." In research studies (a)(b), animals fed high doses of Stevioside or steviol for 22 months experienced:
Reduced sperm production
Increase in cell proliferation in the testicles (which can cause infertility)
Decline in the weight of seminal vesicles (which produce seminal fluid)
Reduced birth weight in offspring and birth of fewer and smaller offspring
In humans, anecdotal evidence and scientific data (Planas an Kuc, 1968) show Stevia to be an anti-fertility agent. The effects of Stevia on reproduction were observed in the Paraguayan Matto Grosso Indians, who have used the leaves and stems of Stevia Rebaudiana in the form of a tea, as a contraceptive. Further, an anti-fertility effect was evidenced in both male and female rats following ingestion of a 5% Stevia Rebaudiana extract (10 ml). The anti-fertility effect lasted for periods up to two months.
In the laboratory, steviol (a derivative of Stevioside) can be converted into a mutagenic compound, which may promote cancer by causing mutations in the cells' genetic DNA material (c). According to toxicologist Ryan Huxtable of the University of Arizona, the possible relationship between cancer in humans and Stevioside "clearly needs to be resolved." Huxtable is further concerned with the issue of children ingesting Stevioside because large amounts of Stevioside can interfere with the absorption of carbohydrates in animals and disrupt the conversion of food into energy within the cells (c).

Berserker
02-14-2003, 11:42 AM
I don't have the ambition to read the whole thread, but do have some passive interest. When it says that aphetamine(sp) gets heated the wood alcohol or whatever becomes bad. Does it goback to normal after cooled? So just avoid drinking it warm. Or what about pop left in the car in the summer, is then bad? How do you know it was never heated during shipping or storage?

Rastaman
02-14-2003, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by HANSEL


The famous Mr. X claims to eat 40packets (at least) a day of Equal for like, the last ten years and hes fine....dunno what thats worth but hey.

There are also people that smoke all their life but never suffer from Lung Cancer. Does that mean that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer? You can't tell anything from a single case.

PeaceBeWithYou
02-15-2003, 01:04 AM
Causes cancer...end of story.

I never use that ****...why don't you just use C&H Pure Cane sugar?

_-_v_-_
02-15-2003, 08:40 AM
Aspartame does NOT cause cancer.

Geez. Can NOBODY read studies here?

Reinier
01-04-2004, 04:26 AM
well for one thing the study cackerot posted looks more reliable and serious than the one maki posted. then again I have no trouble imagining that if the sweeteners WERE poison, it might not come out easily if at all if there is a large interest in it...

since im into bb friends often ask me nutrition questions and the sweetener questions have been common and i really dont know what to day. I do know I eat ****loads of them and im fine, but as has been sayd, thats no proof.

cacks article looks better though....