"Good Fat" Phobia

[JohnnyAutoParts]

I forget what type of car the commercial is for, but the point of the commercial is to demonstrate that with this particular car, it drives so perfect that your mind is free to think about other things. In the particular example I am recalling, the girl driving says to the other, "How come you never see a fat squirrel? Nuts are so fatty."....Her friend's answer: "Because they do a lot of cardio". OKAYYYYYYYYY.

My point is this: Most people still cannot comprehend the truth behind "fat". Do any of you guys even bother to explain to your friends that splurging on olive oil, nuts, and natty pb can be beneficial? In college, probably all of the 20 people that saw me drinking from the olive oil bottle would say "ewww you're drinking all fat!!! what are you trying to get fat?" I didn't exactly go to an idiot school either. I hope most of you understand how difficult it is to explain healthy fat to a random person. It's like drinking water with a fork.

Even the bodybuilding industry is still fightings the realities of fat. (Here's where I get to why I posted this in the supplement forum). Except for strictly fat supplements, you will RARELY see fat in any other product. Obviously, you don't want fat in your whey protein or creatine, but what about MRPs? If its replacing a meal, wouldn't you want the P/C/F ratios to be somewhat balanced? I believe Muscle Meals by Muscle Link and Micellean by VPX are two of the only meal replacements that have made an attempt to add a substantial amount of dietary fat to their concoction. Why is this? Is it because their products would be too expensive? Maybe. But my speculation is that its because sales would tumble because those who are still 1980s-style label readers (and this makes up a huge percentage of the supplement buyers) will gasp at the first line of nutrition facts. When will people finally learn!!???!!

[bradley]

Originally posted by JohnnyAutoParts
Except for strictly fat supplements, you will RARELY see fat in any other product. Obviously, you don't want fat in your whey protein or creatine, but what about MRPs? If its replacing a meal, wouldn't you want the P/C/F ratios to be somewhat balanced? I believe Muscle Meals by Muscle Link and Micellean by VPX are two of the only meal replacements that have made an attempt to add a substantial amount of dietary fat to their concoction. Why is this? Is it because their products would be too expensive? Maybe. But my speculation is that its because sales would tumble because those who are still 1980s-style label readers (and this makes up a huge percentage of the supplement buyers) will gasp at the first line of nutrition facts. When will people finally learn!!???!!

I would imagine the main reason you do not see fats such as the healthy omega 3 fats is because they are too sensitive to heat and light to be used in supplements such as MRPs. Also the cost issue is probably another good reason.

Some supplements such as Muscle Milk do contain a good amount of fat, but the fat that is contained in that particular product is not what I would consider beneficial.

You make a good point, but I personally do not want the supplement companies adding fats to the supplements I use. The main reason being is that they would probably use a lower quality oil, or an oil that has been heated/processed to the point of being useless. The quality of oils is much more important IMO than say the quality of protein.

[JohnnyAutoParts]

thanks for the response bradley. i always seem to learn something new everytime i read one of your posts:thumbup:

[LAM]

the fats in Muscle Milk are Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCT's) they are shorter chained fatty acids and are not metabolized the same as longer chained fats dietary fats(olive oil, etc). they are metabolized almost like sugars w/o the related increase in serum glucose or insulin. due to the short chains it is very hard for them to be combined with glycerol and stored in adipose tissue.

they are used to bring up the amount of calories per serving in that supplement. MCT's can be a great help to those who follow keto type diets...

[the doc]

Mct s are extremely useful for keto diets.

Johnny, I tried to explain these very concepts to a supposed personal trainer at my gym the other night. the blank stare i received was priceless.

[bradley]

Originally posted by LAM
the fats in Muscle Milk are Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCT's) they are shorter chained fatty acids and are not metabolized the same as longer chained fats dietary fats(olive oil, etc). they are metabolized almost like sugars w/o the related increase in serum glucose or insulin. due to the short chains it is very hard for them to be combined with glycerol and stored in adipose tissue.

they are used to bring up the amount of calories per serving in that supplement. MCT's can be a great help to those who follow keto type diets...

I agree that MCTs can be beneficial, but I was referring more to the other fat sources that are contained in the product, and other than the MCTs the rest of the fats would not be considered very beneficial IMO.

The MCTs make up 80% of the 8g of saturated fat, which comes out to be roughly 6.4g of MCTs and the rest of the 18 grams of fat comes from the sources listed below.


Here are the ingredients that make up the fat in Muscle Milk.
LEANLIPIDS« Lipid complex selected for thermogenic and unique energy properties (Canola Oil, Sunflower Oil, Enzyme Engineered Polyunsaturated Long-Chain Vegetable Oils, MCTs, L-Carnitine),

[JohnnyAutoParts]

Originally posted by the doc


Johnny, I tried to explain these very concepts to a supposed personal trainer at my gym the other night. the blank stare i received was priceless.

It's unbelievable isn't it. Explaining that fat doesn't necessarily make you fat is easily the most difficult concept for people to absorb. It's incredible how many people don't and refuse to understand.

[the doc]

people are just not interested in really learning about their bodies, but rather rely on the media to give the one sentence blurb on what they should know

well this guy was trying to sell me some of these detour bars. THey had one cut up for people to sample (which i did). "pretty good," i said, "tastes like snickers"
He says "yeah they are only 32 dollars a box (LMAO!) and they are way better for you". what a rip off considering even GNC has em for 19 dollars a box w/ gold card
I said, "no they are not, they are loaded with vegetable shortening!"... blank stare.... "dont you know what trans-fats are?" I asked... blank stare
this is where i proceeded to waste a good 10 min of my time

[LAM]

Originally posted by the doc
people are just not interested in really learning about their bodies, but rather rely on the media to give the one sentence blurb on what they should know

well this guy was trying to sell me some of these detour bars. THey had one cut up for people to sample (which i did). "pretty good," i said, "tastes like snickers"
He says "yeah they are only 32 dollars a box (LMAO!) and they are way better for you". what a rip off considering even GNC has em for 19 dollars a box w/ gold card
I said, "no they are not, they are loaded with vegetable shortening!"... blank stare.... "dont you know what trans-fats are?" I asked... blank stare
this is where i proceeded to waste a good 10 min of my time

lol doc !

that is all too true about the media and so called "health advice". most people do not want to put forth any real effort to learn about exercise and nutrition. I bet 90% of my friends haven't read a book since they graduated college...

[dirty-c]

I read somewher that canola, sunflower, soybean, and most of the vegetable oils aren't very good for you. Should I try to avoid ranch/caesar dressing then since they are mostly soybean oil?

[bradley]

Originally posted by dirty-c
I read somewher that canola, sunflower, soybean, and most of the vegetable oils aren't very good for you. Should I try to avoid ranch/caesar dressing then since they are mostly soybean oil?

Most people get plenty of n-3 fats through diet alone, and the oils mentioned above all contain mostly n-6 fats. Oil such as canola and vegetable oils have usually been processed a great deal which could lead to the oils containing free radicals.

I definitely think there are better oils out there than the ones mentioned above. If you are looking for an oil based salad dressing, I would recommend looking for one that contained mostly olive oil.