Need Some Info On Supplements...

[Harrison486]

Hey guys! Whats up? Well Im relatively new to weight-lifting. I have begun to work on WBB Routine #1. I am looking to add some supplements into my diet. My main short-term goal is to lose some weight, but my long-term goal would be to put on some muscle. Im thinking I should be taking some sort of protein and creatine. Right? Any suggestions? Also, I was thinking about taking Cell-Tech, Nitro-Tech, and Hydroxycut. Is this a bad idea? Please give me some guidance! Thanks.

[raniali]

if you are new to weight-lifting, i think adding supplements is a no where near as important as getting your diet together. more gains can be made from proper diet than anything else. additionally, you have the "newbie effect" on your side -- meaning that you are likely to see more significant changes early on from lifting and exercise. supplements should be added when your gains start to stagnate AND you have a proper diet.

[ElPietro]

If you are going to supplement, just do it with protein, powders or bars. But realize that it still is food, so consider it a snack or meal when you take them. Otherwise, don't sweat it. Alibaba is correct. Hey, is that your face in your avatar??? :confused: :p

[restless]

Use a protein supplement to get to the gr per pound of bodyweight guideline and possibly some creatine and some liquid carbs for post workout. Nitrotech is too expensive, you can do a lot better than that.

[Harrison486]

Well along with doing WBB Routine #1 and getting a personal trainer at my gym, I have been changing my diet and fixing any problems with that... Im just looking for the some extra help.

[raniali]

el p is correct.
too bad i couldn't find a :p pic to post in reply though.

[raniali]

what does your diet look like?
remember - you are already likely to see massive changes just because you are new. save the supplements till u need them.
the perfect body does NOT come overnight or from a bottle of pills.

[Harrison486]

What do you mean what does my diet look like? Do you want me to post my food log so far?

[NPursuit]

In order of importance
1. Diet
2. Training
3. Sleep
4. Supplements

With that said though I don't even consider a post workout protein/carb shake supplementing. That is a staple of bodybuilding. Same goes for a multi vitamin, and EFAs.

Optimum proteins are a decent cheap choice. Stay away from Muscletech. The only decent product they ever made was Hydroxycut and now that it's ephedra free it's junk.

[raniali]

Originally posted by Harrison486
What do you mean what does my diet look like? Do you want me to post my food log so far?
yes

[ElPietro]

She is quite demanding isn't she...

[Relentless]

the very nature of the word 'supplement' underscores the point ElP and rani are making, dude... these things are designed to be added to an existing regimen of diet and training to help you achieve even greater results

but they won't replace the fundamentals, which need to be sound for you to progress

if you want to get relevant advice from the many knowledgeable and friendly peeps on this board, I'd recommend you go a step further than posting your diet; why not start a journal and post your workouts AND your diet daily?

[Harrison486]

Maybe I will start an online journal. Never really considered it.

LOL..Demanding she is...Its alright though I need it ;)

Here is my food log from the beginning (I just started the 3rd):

7/03/03

10:00 am
3 slices of 7 grain bread w/ Peanut Butter
1 orange
Water

1:30 pm
1 Bowl of vegetable soup
Tuna salad in ½ of whole-wheat pita
1 cup of black tea

5:00 pm
1 Apple

8:30 pm
3 pieces of barbecued chicken
1 pickle
Water

10:30 pm
½ bagel w/ cream cheese
1 cup of black tea

7/04/03

10:00 am
2 eggs on whole-wheat bread
1 slice of bacon
1 cup black coffee

1:30 pm
1 Natural peanut butter sandwich on whole-wheat
1 Apple
Water

7:00 pm
2 Hot Dogs
1 bowl homemade, fresh fruit salad
1 small slice cheesecake
Water

7/05/03

8:30 am
Whole-wheat bagel w/ cream cheese
Orange juice

1:30 pm
Garden salad w/ grilled chicken in tortilla bowl
Water

7:00 pm
Beef stir-fry
Cup of chicken rice soup
Water

7/06/03

11:30 am
2 slices of whole-wheat w/ natural peanut butter
1 cup of black coffee

1:30 pm
Chicken caesar salad
Unsweetened ice tea

3:00 pm
1 granola bar

6:00 pm
2 Pork ribs
Mashed potatoes and green beans
Water

10:00 pm
1 cup homemade, fresh fruit salad
1 apple w/ natural peanut butter

7/07/03

10:00 am
2 slices of whole-wheat w/ natural peanut butter
1 cup of black tea

1:30 pm
Boca Soy Burger on whole-wheat pita
Water

Just as a Note: Im 5'10 179lbs with about 22% BF right now

[raniali]

well - for starters -- where's the beef?!?!?!?
your protein is low, i think -- and there are better sources than hot dogs for protein.
you might want to log ur stuff into fitday.com and get an idea of your macrobreakdown and total cals (unless you know and are holding back on us).

i suggest working on your diet before dropping money on "supplements".


yes - i am demanding! like you guys didn't already know that.

[Harrison486]

No...I dont know my macrobreakdown and all that stuff. :help:

[ElPietro]

Uh oh, this is where she gets out the whip! :eek:

[LAM]

Originally posted by NPursuit
In order of importance
1. Diet
2. Training
3. Sleep
4. Supplements

With that said though I don't even consider a post workout protein/carb shake supplementing. That is a staple of bodybuilding. Same goes for a multi vitamin, and EFAs.

Optimum proteins are a decent cheap choice. Stay away from Muscletech. The only decent product they ever made was Hydroxycut and now that it's ephedra free it's junk.

EXACTLY !!!!

[raniali]

Originally posted by ElPietro
Uh oh, this is where she gets out the whip! :eek:

this thread is not about your fetishes, mister!

[Harrison486]

OK I put all my stuff into fitday and this is what my macronutrient junk is (I hope this is what you were looking for)

July 3rd:
1465 cals
37% fat - 59g
33% carbs - 138g
29% protein - 104g

July 4th:
1847 cals
58% fat - 118g
28% carbs - 144g
14% protein - 65g

July 5th:
948 cals
24% fat - 25g
49% carbs - 123g
26% protein - 61g

July 6th:
1619 cals
44% fat - 77g
35% carbs - 161g
21% protein - 82g

[raniali]

you're starving
eat more
eat better

minimum 1g protein/lb of bodyweight
adequate EFAs (good fats)
fill in rest with carbs