Super One+ Questions ..more!

[Fenbay]

These topics just don't go away do they...

I did a cycle of 1-AD and had good results. I am cutting (again) and looking at the Super ONE+ product from 1fast400.

Here's the breakdown. Basically I wanted one of you guys in the know to tell me if the doseages look good. I think it's 6 squirts total twice daily. Her'es the breakdown.

Super ONE+ has 3.375g of 1-Testosterone added to ONE+, which makes Super ONE+ 6g of 1-test and 9.375g of 4AD. Each squirt would supply you with 16.66mg of 1-Testosterone and 26.04mg of 4AD. At six squirts 2x per day, it will last you a month.

[Beast]

Lots of beginners start with 6 squirts twice a day, but I believe most people see the best results from 10-12 squirts twice per day.

[AdamGberg]

i am very interested in that or the T-1 from from powernutrition.net....$90

"10 grams of 1-test and 5 grams 4-AD in 240 mL topical solution."

or

ONE+ from 1fast400.com....$55

"Each 8oz bottle contains 2.625 grams of 1-Testosterone and 9.375 grams of 4-androstenediol and lasts 15-30 days."


ugh..decisions...where to drop

[icanrace]

Go with the One+ or SO+ Adam.
As far as dosing I would do 8 squirts 2x a day, but that's just me.

[bradley]

Originally posted by icanrace
Go with the One+ or SO+ Adam.
As far as dosing I would do 8 squirts 2x a day, but that's just me.

From what I understand you would want more 1-test and less 4-AD when cutting, right? Both of the products mentioned above contain larger amounts of 4-AD.

[the doc]

well not necessarily, the 1test can make some lethargic and loss of sex drive (due to diminishing endogenous test production) and the 4 ad can really help to counteract this

[1Fast400]

SuperOne+ is much better than One+ when you look at the feedback from the product. 200mg of 1-Test transdermally done during the day is plenty. You could always up the dose, but the cost/benefit factor starts to come into play.

[AdamGberg]

so doc and bradley, the SUPER ONE+ is $76 is it worth the extra 22bones over teh ONE+?

i would wanna bulk, i mis-read fenbay's opening post...

thanks guys...

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by Fenbay
These topics just don't go away do they...

I did a cycle of 1-AD and had good results. I am cutting (again) and looking at the Super ONE+ product from 1fast400.

Here's the breakdown. Basically I wanted one of you guys in the know to tell me if the doseages look good. I think it's 6 squirts total twice daily. Her'es the breakdown.

Super ONE+ has 3.375g of 1-Testosterone added to ONE+, which makes Super ONE+ 6g of 1-test and 9.375g of 4AD. Each squirt would supply you with 16.66mg of 1-Testosterone and 26.04mg of 4AD. At six squirts 2x per day, it will last you a month.

If you are cutting this isn't even a contest. Get BDC's T1 Pro. 10gs 1-test & 5gs 4-AD. Stack some 1,4 DIOL or DIONE in there and you have a great stack. In fact that is what I am doing right now. You could also buy BDC's PH gel and buy the raw powders from 1fast and make your own for even less. Going with the Super One+ is not the best idea IMO. You have way too much 4-AD in there for a cut. The 1-test will give you leaner gains. The 1,4 DIOL will increase your appetite and make you more vascular. The 4-AD in T1 Pro is just enough to combat the lethargy. You may want to get an ECA while on cycle as well. Go with whatever you want though and if you have any questions on either product I'll be glad to help.

[JustinASU]

NPursuit is making sense. FOr a cut you want twice as much 1-test as you have in 4-AD. 1-test causes much leaner gains and the 4-AD is just thrown in there to combat lethargy and loss of libido. 4-AD causes water retention so its harder to gauge progress if you're taking a large amount of it. I would go with a 1:2 ratio of 4-AD to 1-test if you are cutting and the opposite if you are bulking.

[1Fast400]

Stack some 1,4 DIOL or DIONE in there and you have a great stack.

Diol is crap which is nobody makes it really. On top of that, 3 hormones is overkill. Save the money and use it towards something else. If you can't gain off 1-T and 4AD then your just screwed.

The 4-AD in T1 Pro is just enough to combat the lethargy.

That is not true as this side effect varies from person to person. Often times Super One+ will still have people complaining of decreased energy, even when it has twice as much 4AD in it.

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by 1Fast400


Diol is crap which is nobody makes it really. On top of that, 3 hormones is overkill. Save the money and use it towards something else. If you can't gain off 1-T and 4AD then your just screwed.



That is not true as this side effect varies from person to person. Often times Super One+ will still have people complaining of decreased energy, even when it has twice as much 4AD in it.


I'm interested in hearing why you think Diol is crap. Could you post something to back that up?

As far as combating the lethargy with 4AD let me rephrase. More times than not the 4AD is enough to combat the lethargy. To boot I am on a T1 Pro, 1,4 DIOL cycle right now and I am experiencing no lethargy just excellent gains.

[Beast]

Personally, unless the transdermal is by Ergopharm, Avant Labs, or 1fast400, I wouldn't use it. Stick with the brands that get the best reviews. I'd say SO+ is the best to get.

[captnjosh]

i was looking into SuperOne+ myself. Do you need an anti-e after the cycle, or does the 4AD help in that regard?

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by NDBeast
Personally, unless the transdermal is by Ergopharm, Avant Labs, or 1fast400, I wouldn't use it. Stick with the brands that get the best reviews. I'd say SO+ is the best to get.

You really just showed your ignorance on the topic of transdermal PHs. This is the only board that isn't cluttered with BDC transdermal reviews, questions, answers, and cycle info.

Everyone feel free to slop yourself with 12 squirts a day of Avant's transdermals. I'm just trying to help you guys get good results for less money. I've even suggested homebrewing or buying a gel and adding your powders of choice.

Next you guys are going to say you better go with 60X0 post cycle over Clomid.

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by captnjosh
i was looking into SuperOne+ myself. Do you need an anti-e after the cycle, or does the 4AD help in that regard?

Yes you need post cycle supps. Get yourself some clomid, nolvadex or worst case 60X0. Keep cals, training, and flax oil use high post cycle as well. Adding creatine into the mix is a good option as well.

[Fenbay]

Thanks for all the replys. So the 4AD will do nothing for me in terms of helping the cut, might even hinder it, but SHOULD combat lethargy ..theoretically leading to more intensive workouts and thus more cals burned?

P.S. This kinda doesn't go here, but if one were to also get some clen to go with this would just 1-AD be even better or still toss in some 4-AD in some level of dosage?

[1Fast400]

If you do a 4 week cycle post cycle isn't always needed, however if you have the money, I'd invest in 6oxo. What do you think people were taking before 6oxo was out? While some went to clomid and other things, a lot of people did have access to such and were fine.

[PowerManDL]

I'm not sure why you guys are knocking 6-OXO, unless you've used it with poor effect.

Its a steroidal suicidal inhibitor, which puts it in the same category as exemestane. Granted I've seen no literature besides Ergopharm's study to show its efficacy(and I agree, 6 people really isn't a large enough sample), but even so, it seems promising.

Not quite the same beast as clomid, nolva, or adex, in any event.

[1Fast400]

Everyone feel free to slop yourself with 12 squirts a day of Avant's transdermals


Do BDC's not use 12 squirts a day as well? As far as the diol quesiton, I challenge you to find 5 positive reviews outside of the BDC group. Don't you think there is a reason a patent was applied to a dione version vs diol? This argument was hashed out months ago, you should be able to do a search on bb.com under my name or bill L's and come up with that thread.

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by PowerManDL
I'm not sure why you guys are knocking 6-OXO, unless you've used it with poor effect.

Its a steroidal suicidal inhibitor, which puts it in the same category as exemestane. Granted I've seen no literature besides Ergopharm's study to show its efficacy(and I agree, 6 people really isn't a large enough sample), but even so, it seems promising.

Not quite the same beast as clomid, nolva, or adex, in any event.

60X0 is good stuff. I'm not knocking it. All I am saying is that clomid and nolvadex are better and cheaper. I recommend 60X0 to people that do not want to deal with getting clomid or nolva.

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by 1Fast400



Do BDC's not use 12 squirts a day as well? As far as the diol quesiton, I challenge you to find 5 positive reviews outside of the BDC group. Don't you think there is a reason a patent was applied to a dione version vs diol? This argument was hashed out months ago, you should be able to do a search on bb.com under my name or bill L's and come up with that thread.

Not even close to 12 squirts a day.

T1 Pro dosing
Moderate dosing 1 squirt 2 times/day
Heavy dosing 1.5 squirts 2 times/day
Lost your mind dosing 2 squirts 2 times/day

1fast I figured you would know this. You hang out @ AM quite often.

I will check out that study @ bb.com thanks for the heads up. I find it hard to believe that Chemo would use anything but the best.

[Fenbay]

1fast/whoever ...

Is there an oral option for 1AD and 4AD? All I see on your website for instance is the topical stuff which I'm not too thrilled about using even though it might be better for me.

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by Fenbay
Thanks for all the replys. So the 4AD will do nothing for me in terms of helping the cut, might even hinder it, but SHOULD combat lethargy ..theoretically leading to more intensive workouts and thus more cals burned?

P.S. This kinda doesn't go here, but if one were to also get some clen to go with this would just 1-AD be even better or still toss in some 4-AD in some level of dosage?

Like I said too much 4AD on a cut is not a good choice. Having a small amount will/may help combat lethargy. The 1-Test will give you good lean muscle gains.

If you wanted to go with 1-AD at a high dosage you would want to add some 4AD to the mix.

Straight from the Prohormone FAQ @ bb.com. Thanks Pogue!

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1AD is by far the most popular prohormone. It is considered to be the most effective taken orally, and has resounding user feedback. It is best stacked with 4AD to reduce side effects, the most common of which include lethargy and reduced libido. 1AD should not be used transdermally, and could be used sublingually, although there are few products with this delivery system used. 1AD is commonly stacked with 4AD and shouldn’t be stacked with nordiol, or the DHT precursors.

4-6 week cycles are best taken at anywhere from 300-900mg daily. Take in divided doses throughout the day to keep blood levels elevated.

4AD

4AD is the next best. It is almost always used with other hormones due also to its resounding user feedback and adding large amounts of mass from increases in testosterone and estrogen. 4AD can be taken orally, transdermally, or sublingually.
2-6 week cycles are generally used. 4AD can be stacked with just about anything.

Oral:
300-1500mg daily. Oral is probably the worst way to take this, but if you are simply looking to reduce sides of 1AD, etc – it works. Take in divided doses to ensure elevated blood levels.

Transdermal:
400-600mg daily with two applications in morning at night.

Sublingual:
Probably 15-50mg at a time, 3 times or more daily in divided doses.
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FYI if you do decide to go with 1-AD. LegalGear.com is offering a sweet deal on 1-AD & 60X0. 3 bottles of 1-AD & 2 bottles of 60X0 for $159.

[Fenbay]

Good thread even though hashing out some of the old stuff in the sticky.

Like I stated originally I had great results with just 1-AD and 6-oxo post cycle. But if I could eliminate the lethargic feeling I got from the 1-AD I'd have found the perfect legal combo for my cut.

I'm thinking about going with the combo on 1fast that has the 3 bottles of 1-AD and 1 bottle of 6-OXO and then finding 4-AD by itself to mix in with my 1-AD doses.

[AdamGberg]

Originally posted by NPursuit


60X0 is good stuff. I'm not knocking it. All I am saying is that clomid and nolvadex are better and cheaper. I recommend 60X0 to people that do not want to deal with getting clomid or nolva.


:clap:

[1Fast400]

All I am saying is that clomid and nolvadex are better and cheaper.


Have you seen the recent study done on 6-oxo?

[1Fast400]

Chemo might have wanted to avoid dealing with Bill L and patent issues regarding 1,4 andro. I'm dealing with them now, if you aren't prepared for that type of thing it can be a bitch

[1Fast400]

T1 Pro dosing
Moderate dosing 1 squirt 2 times/day
Heavy dosing 1.5 squirts 2 times/day
Lost your mind dosing 2 squirts 2 times/day


You don't understand is the problem. Everyone is putting the same amount of hormones into various solutions. The only difference is going to be the size of the pump. If you put 6g into 240ml, then you are going to have the same dosing pattern (weather it be avant or bdc) if put into the same bottle. So basically, these products are the same in dosing schemes.

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by 1Fast400



Have you seen the recent study done on 6-oxo?

Yes.

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by 1Fast400



You don't understand is the problem. Everyone is putting the same amount of hormones into various solutions. The only difference is going to be the size of the pump. If you put 6g into 240ml, then you are going to have the same dosing pattern (weather it be avant or bdc) if put into the same bottle. So basically, these products are the same in dosing schemes.

So what is the pump size for Avant's? My bad I was reading the info wrong. I'll be the first one to admit when I am wrong.

Quick question for ya though. You can get an 8oz. bottle of T1 for $59 @ powernutrition. A bottle of Super One+ is $76 at your site correct, or am I reading that wrong too?

[1Fast400]

I have no idea, I haven't been to their site. I only think it is fair to pay more for a higher quality product.

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by 1Fast400
I have no idea, I haven't been to their site. I only think it is fair to pay more for a higher quality product.

Now now that is not fair, nor is it true. It would be nice if you offered T1 Pro for people that want a higher ratio of 1-test to 4-AD.

[bigswole30]

1fast, do you still use Avant's gel for your transdermals? I thought I heard you bought all of the Androspray gel minus the hormone from Pat? IS this true? Sorry for asking if it's false.

[Beast]

Originally posted by NPursuit


You really just showed your ignorance on the topic of transdermal PHs. This is the only board that isn't cluttered with BDC transdermal reviews, questions, answers, and cycle info.

Everyone feel free to slop yourself with 12 squirts a day of Avant's transdermals. I'm just trying to help you guys get good results for less money. I've even suggested homebrewing or buying a gel and adding your powders of choice.

Next you guys are going to say you better go with 60X0 post cycle over Clomid.
Ignorance? I don't think so. If by ignorance you mean experience, then I would agree.

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by NDBeast
Personally, unless the transdermal is by Ergopharm, Avant Labs, or 1fast400, I wouldn't use it. Stick with the brands that get the best reviews. I'd say SO+ is the best to get.

That was an ignorant statement that's all I'm saying. I didn't call you an idiot or anything. Don't take it so personal. BDC's products get excellent reviews and are very well known so my statement is true. Hell we all make mistakes I made one in this very same thread.

[AdamGberg]

Originally posted by NPursuit


Now now that is not fair, nor is it true. It would be nice if you offered T1 Pro for people that want a higher ratio of 1-test to 4-AD.

you gonna do this 1fast400? cuz i wanna do a cut sometime soon...so far everything you put out is great!

[chocko]

How many ml is in a squirt?



Originally posted by 1Fast400



You don't understand is the problem. Everyone is putting the same amount of hormones into various solutions. The only difference is going to be the size of the pump. If you put 6g into 240ml, then you are going to have the same dosing pattern (weather it be avant or bdc) if put into the same bottle. So basically, these products are the same in dosing schemes.

[bradley]

Originally posted by chocko
How many ml is in a squirt?


All of this type of information can be found on the retailers websites.