anti e help

[anabolicdrive]

ive been takin 300 mgs deca a week and 30 mgs of winny v a day for the past 9 weeks and i just recently started takin 500mgs of test enanthate a week. i have one more week of the deca and winny. im starting proviron next week also. im using the deca at 500mgs for the next 3 weeks then im moving up to 750 for 5 week and then 1000mg's for 4 weeks. when should i start taking nolvadex. also the week before i start 1000mg's of test im going to stack in tren. i just want to know what kinda of anti estrogens i should take. also any suggestions. i always like to hear different ideas!

[Paul Stagg]

You've been on for 9 weeks, and you are planning on 12 more?

And you ask NOW what anti e's to take?

[PowerManDL]

I'm just wondering why the hell he's moving the dosage of Deca up, after starting the test so late.

This cycle confus0rz me.

[anabolicdrive]

let me try and explain this a little clearer.
starting out

week 1-10:
deca 300mgs/week
winstrol v 30mgs/day 3tabs

week 8-12
test enanthate 500mgs/week

week 12-16
test enanthate 750mgs/week

week 16-20
test enanthate 1000mg's week


im currently on week 11. i want to stack in some tren around week 14. im currently also takin 25mgs proviron a day. NOW can i get some advice on when to start takin nolvadex please??

[twisteddendrite]

Thats a hefty cycle, start nolva now and throw in some arimidex, you are planning clomid post?

[PowerManDL]

That's what I don't get. Why are you tapering *up* a long-acting ester? Why didn't you run the test with the deca, for that matter? And ten weeks on an oral? Then you want to throw in tren, I guess just for the hell of it?

I mean, c'mon dude....did you look into this at all?

[the doc]

:scratch:

[anabolicdrive]

well i didnt want to start out with anytthing really heavy. as i progress i wanted to move up gradually. i didnt want to take deca with the test since one is anabolic and the other is androgenic. i wanted to start out with something that would help me build a good base without a high risk of side effects.

[JustinASU]

So why didnt you start with straight test and run it with some dbol ED? That is a simple cycle. Check out doc's mention in the post below. It's a simple and straightforward cycle. Plus you're running a rather long and heavy cycle.

[PowerManDL]

Originally posted by anabolicdrive
well i didnt want to start out with anytthing really heavy. as i progress i wanted to move up gradually. i didnt want to take deca with the test since one is anabolic and the other is androgenic. i wanted to start out with something that would help me build a good base without a high risk of side effects.

Errr.....oh boy.

They're *both* anabolic and androgenic. All of the androgenic-anabolic steroids are, hence the name. To varying degrees yes, but they are.

Deca has some properties that make it particularly sucky if taken alone, which is why its generally a good idea to take it with test, if at all.

Build a good base? Of what?

Doing what you're doing isn't a good idea at all....300mg of deca by itself isn't going to do much for ya, first of all, and a long-acting ester of test needs a few weeks to build up in your system, so it makes no sense to start low and move to higher levels.

If you're worried about sides, run some arimidex or nolvadex during the cycle; .5mg or 10mg EOD, respectively, should be fine for 500mg of test.

In all honesty though, its not like your body's just going to become "suited" to testosterone just because you ran a low dose of deca first. The only way to counter the sides is with ancillary drugs like I mentioned above.

And I really hope you're taking something for your poor liver....10 weeks on winny hasn't done your body good, I'm sure.

That said....about all I could suggest for now is to go ahead and finish out @ 500mg; if you're dead set on ramping up the doses, do it now and drop it down. Start on the nolva ~two weeks after your last injection.

You should seriously think about getting some HCG and clomid for post cycle as well, if you don't already.

Even so, I think you wasted a good cycle.

[anabolicdrive]

well i might as well put on my frowny face now. but i have seen some remarkable gains. i started out at a chubby 150 and now i weigh a very lean and defined 170. thank you for all of your advice and you will hear from me soon for more advice.

also my current stats are:

weight: 169
height: 5'6
bf: i dont have a caliper, but i have veins in my abs so id imagine it is low
waist: 30in
chest: 41 in
quads: 25in
biceps: 16 in

[handler]

only use nolvadex if needed,are you exhibiting signs of gyno? itchy swollen nipples?

[anabolicdrive]

sometimes they feel kinda sore

[BUFF STUFF]

use the novla then

man this cycle could of really kicked ass so much better if you stacked deca+test at same time.

a 20 week cycle first time is to much,8-10 is fine

oh well live n learn,

any newbies reading, go & reasearch!