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Andre Avigdor
07-19-2003, 09:38 PM
Like the title says, I went on a pretty hardcore 'Ketogenic' diet back on Feb 4th of this year. I am 5'10" and was 255lbs with a 40" waist... 4 months later I was 177lbs with a 32" waist and a legit 9% BF. I can post the details of my diet if anyone is interested.

I feel much better now :D What do y'all think?

http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/montage%202x1000.jpg
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/montage%201b%20no%20BF2.jpg
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/body%20parts%202%20x1000.jpg
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/9%25.jpg

p_t
07-19-2003, 10:20 PM
well if It's all realy just since february. All I have to say is welcome to "THE" club

harryhoudini66
07-19-2003, 11:14 PM
I am very interested, but based on your layout I cant help the feeling that you are setting everything up for a sale. Checked out your website. Looks like you have many hobbies, which is a similar characteristic I have. I dive in to many things and when I do, I become very passionate about them. Well anyway, I await with anticipation your diet. Give us the whole break down. I hope your next post will not request funds through PayPal or something. If you are legit, I give you all props man. That is an awesome metamorphosis.


Edit: I forgot to welcome you. Still checking out your site. Lots of cool stuff on there. Currently viewing your diet notes. I noticed on some days you kept your calories below 1000 per day. Had many carbs too so I am sure that is not your Keto diet. I must say you are a super organized person.

Andre Avigdor
07-20-2003, 07:02 AM
"I am very interested, but based on your layout I cant help the feeling that you are setting everything up for a sale."
Not sure why you would say this?!?

Here's my diet brocken down into months 1+2 @ 750 calories, month 3 @ 1000 calories, month 4 @ 1500 calories and my current 3000 calorie program... I am trying to put on a couple lbs of lean mass, I would like to get up to 200lbs of lean mass & keep my 32" waist. On a side note, I was monitored by a doctor on a weekly basis while dieting & I am starting to do some personal training & nutritional counseling here in Montreal.

http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/750%20cals.jpg
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/1000%20cals.jpg
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/1500%20cals.jpg
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/3000%20cals.jpg

SoulOfKoRea
07-20-2003, 08:38 AM
holy cow, that's truly amazing! did you use any supplements or was it purely diet?(other than the bars...)

JustinASU
07-20-2003, 12:28 PM
A transformation like that in 4 months???? Good Lord man:eek: ANd there was no vitamin 'S' involved?

Rock
07-20-2003, 01:32 PM
I think you look great, and your obviously worked hard as hell, all honor to that, but I do think you used steroids, because of the amount of time you mention, thats a lee priest like transformation.

harryhoudini66
07-20-2003, 01:34 PM
Thanks for the diet man. I saw it on your site but was not sure if it was the one you were referring to. Since you said it was a keto diet, I expected the carbs to be minimal. Looks like you eat allot of carbs. Also, the amount of calories you took the first month is excessively low. I cannot believe you did not loose that much muscle when you very 700 calories. Was this the first time you ever really worked out? I am tempted to trying your diet, but the calories seem just way to low. When I was taking in 1400 calories per day, I did not get as good results as when I started with 2600. Well awesome work man. Love the home theatre too.

ryan1117
07-20-2003, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by Rock
I think you look great, and your obviously worked hard as hell, all honor to that, but I do think you used steroids, because of the amount of time you mention, thats a lee priest like transformation.
:withstupi
It's impressive even with steroids though. Admitting it will avoid plenty of flames from others.

steveo
07-20-2003, 02:34 PM
That is some awesome work. Did you have help with your diet or did you have prior experience with dieting?

Pipimo
07-20-2003, 02:43 PM
w00t montreal!

harryhoudini66
07-20-2003, 03:51 PM
Well since he was seeing a doctor on a weekly basis and the results are just awe inspiring I would say that steroids were used. I cannot believe he took 700 calories per day for a full month and did not loose so much muscle. Also, I hate to press the subject but what I understand of a keto diet is that it involves minimal carbohydrates. Based on his diet, it looks like most of his calories came from carbs and proteins. Looking at his pics it reminds me of the first time I worked out. Since it was the first time, I had incredible gains. Looking at some of the pics I saw on his websites shows a dramatic increase in acne too (maybe razor burns from shaving though) so I am guessing use of steroids. By the way, I hope I am not coming across as a skeptic asshole. I just think that the results are just crazy. Like I said before, if it all was done naturally only with exercise and extreme diet, I bow down to you.

Stabber
07-20-2003, 04:14 PM
someone raise the flag

Andre Avigdor
07-20-2003, 08:27 PM
Sorry for not responding sooner... I went away to my buddy’s country place for the weekend. There are some SERIOUS skeptics here! I would like to set the record straight on a couple of things.

1) I have been training 5 days a week for the past 6 years, my routine was mostly based on 'powerlifting' but with higher reps. I may have been fat, but I was strong :) 405lb DL 10 reps & 380lb BP 10 reps. I used to think to be strong like a horse, I had to eat like a horse... that's how ended up weighing as much as a horse. Under all that blubber I had a serious 'base'... this is me with King Kong Bundy 2 years ago. I never said I started training in February of this year, what I said was that I started dieting in February. Losing fat is quick and simple, gaining mass is a little more complicated and takes MUCH more time!
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/bundy.jpg
2) I am 31 years old and I did a cycle of D-bol when I was in college, when my cycle ended I was not mentally prepared for the off cycle effects and that explains the gap in my training between then and 6 years ago when I started training again. That was my one and only cycle (for now). I have nothing against 'the juice' but I don't think it's necessary to get some pretty serious results. I think that the reason most people are so impressed with it is because of the way people change their diets when on it… it’s actually the change in diet that is responsible for 75% of the gains. If you eat like you are juicing and train like you are juicing, I really believe you will see 75% of the results.

3) My wife has been struggling with weight issues (like 90% of all women) and after last New Years she decided that she had enough and wanted to do something radical about it. We found a diet called the ‘Protein Sparring Modified Fast’ that was developed by Dr. George Blackburn back in the 70’s. This is the basis of how people eat after a ‘gastric bypass’ operation and this ultimately how they lose weight so fast. Here’s a brief blurb about Blackburn and his PSMF diet “George L. Blackburn, M.D., Ph.D., is an internationally renowned expert in the fields of obesity and clinical nutrition. He earned his medical degree from Kansas Medical School and his doctorate in nutritional biochemistry from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Dr. Blackburn currently holds the following appointments and positions at Harvard Medical School: S. Daniel Abraham Chair of Nutrition Medicine, Associate Professor of Surgery, and Associate Director of Nutrition, Division of Nutrition. He is also Director of Nutrition Support Services, Chief of the Nutritional/Metabolism Laboratory, and Director of the Center for the Study of Nutrition and Medicine at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. Dr. Blackburn is President of the North American Association for the Study of Obesity, and immediate Past President of the American Society for Clinical Nutrition. A Fellow in the American College of Surgery, he chairs the Massachusetts Medical Society Committee on Nutrition, and the Scientific Advisory Committee for Shape Up America! (Koop Foundation).
The protein-sparing modified fast (PSMF) diet was developed in the 1970s by George Blackburn, MD, PhD, associate professor of surgery and nutrition at Harvard Medical School. Blackburn, past president of the American Board of Nutrition and the North American Association for the Study of Obesity, found that patients required 1.2 grams of protein per kilogram of ideal body weight in order to maintain a positive protein balance, rather than the 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram that was recommended by the US Department of Agriculture . Although some high-level athletes can consume on the order of 500 grams of protein per day during high-intensity competition, it is difficult for some people to consume adequate lean protein without consuming excess calories, or to eat lean meats or fish at each meal. One solution is the development of a formula that provides a complete, nutritionally balanced diet. A formula-only plan can ensure that the patient obtains all necessary protein, vitamins, and minerals, while losing weight on a plan that can provide as little as 800 calories per day. Protocols may be supplemented with coordinated nutritional bars and/or some self-prepared foods. A physician or other knowledgeable health care professional should supervise use of nutritional formulas.
THE KETOGENTC OPTION: The Protein Fast through the induction of triglyceride catabolism, encourages the oxidation of free fatty acids at the hepatic level and provokes the famous physiological phenomenon of compensated acidoketosis that BLACKBURN called KETOGENESIS. The constant and controlled presence of ketone bodies in the body shows the perfect adaptation of the human system when subjected to a fast supplied with a precise amount of amino-acids.
As long as the human body has an excess of fat that should be eliminated through ketogenesis and mainly through the Protein Fast, the effects of ketogenesis persist during this diet and supply the body with most of the energy it needs.
All these metabolic reactions that take place during the Protein Fast and that Blackburn carefully described in his many books and articles, are absolutely safe.
As a matter of fact, this method is based on strict scientific data and its application should be made according to a precise protocol.
The Protein Fast has specific advantages that no other diet offers whether it is the low-calories or the dissociated diet. “

Here’s a shot of me and my wife at a New Years party we attended and another shot of us on vacation in June. And no, she is not ‘juicing’ either! I am also attaching a close up of her face, before and after. She wants to lose another 35lbs…
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/us.jpg
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/nat's%20faces.jpg
4) I decided that it would be easier for her to diet, if I tried watching what I ate as well. I was also intrigued by some of the research Blackburn had done where he discovered that people could not absorb large doses of protein in one meal & that the only way to get enough protein was to eat several small meals (sound familiar?). His research pointed to 15G’s of protein being what the ‘average’ person could absorb per meal, I decided to give 20G’s per meal a try spread out over 6 meals. After the 1st month I was down 25lbs and went from a size 40 being tight to a 38 being lose… it took a couple of weeks for my body to adjust, but after the 1st month I felt like I was on a roll. I continued losing weight for the next 3 months at a rate that was close to 20lbs per month. After the 2nd month I felt like I needed some more carbs (cold fingers and nose, tired all the time, etc…) so I upped my calories to 1000 and in month 4 I went up it again to 1500 calories. The weight kept coming off and the muscles started really showing. At the beginning of May I decided to get ‘waxed’ for the 1st time, and that explains the NASTY breakout on my chest that followed and lasted for about 10 days! It was not due to juicing, as you can clearly see that all those nasty pimples vanished in the following photos. When it comes to losing fat and understanding how digest and absorb protein, Blackburn is the MAN!

5) Here’s a COMPLETE list of all the supplements I took and am currently taking.
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/supplements.jpg
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/shelf.jpg
6) On a side note, my mom who is 55 years old also started following the same diet as us. Every week the 3 of us went to the doctor to get weighed and have our vitals checked. She managed to drop 50lbs in the past 5 months and her health has dramatically improved!
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/mom%20before%20and%20after.jpg
7) That’s it… I am going to bed as I must be up @ 4AM to hit the gym!


Andre Avigdor
WWW.AVIGDOR.NET

harryhoudini66
07-20-2003, 08:48 PM
I stand corrected and commend you and your wife for the awesome change.

I was skeptic because it is very impressive. Take it kind of like a compliment though. I mean for some of us to think that, it indicates that your change was indeed significant. Now the reason why I thought that you were some sales representative is because your website layout and thread was very well organized. Every now and then sales people login and try to sell their stuff on these boards. Once I saw your website, I realized that you are well organized. I hope I did not offend you since I know how it feels to be accused. People thought the same thing about me when I started posting because of my writing style and fervor about certain things.

Glad to have you aboard man!

PS let me be the first to say this, “Show us your wheels”.

Andre Avigdor
07-20-2003, 09:00 PM
This is my wife and I on our bikes. We sent X-Mas cards out with this photo on it :) These are the world's 2 fastest bikes (Busa & ZX-12R)
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/my%20bikes/IMG_7002.jpg
And this is me with my car on the dyno (437.6HP & 527.7lb/ft @ the wheels or 514.8HP & 620.8lb/ft @ the crank)
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/z28/a.jpg

AdamGberg
07-20-2003, 09:09 PM
is this an ad for something?

but nonetheless, damn, cell-tech poster child!

you had a damn strong base, but still great...congrats!

Andre Avigdor
07-20-2003, 09:11 PM
"cell-tech poster child!"
Why do you say that... and what could I possibly be selling??? I am just telling my story and if there are people out there that are trying to drop a couple of lbs this might just help them!

2hrd4u
07-20-2003, 09:49 PM
You look great! Hard Work and Dedication payin' off! :D

AdamGberg
07-20-2003, 10:01 PM
callin' u a poster child for cell-tech is a compliment!! you did a damn great job and just amazing!!

made your wife great (hot) and same with the mom (healthier) ...

you seem to be one hell of a personal trainer/motivator!

steveo
07-21-2003, 01:09 AM
Cell tech is an inside joke around here. It's not bad it's what we call great transformations like yours.

Herc
07-21-2003, 08:06 AM
"cell-tech poster child"

Is actually a correct analysis. As Andre pointed out his transfromation was mainly fat loss. If you look at the progress pics you can see that even before dieting at all, Andree had a lot of muscle "hiding" under fat. Many of the suplement companies use the same principal for less than honest reasons.

Unfortunately, we've been trained by supplement companies to believe that transformations like this are remarkable, but actually represent an old fashoned "extreme" bulk and cut.

Andre's transformation is great and I give him all the props he deserves. We are the ones who need to break out of the cycle of advertising and propganda and keep ourselves from always shouting vitamin "S" and not seeing what is right infromt of our eyes. A big guy who got big through training and diet then got cut through training and diet. It can actually happen, believe it or not - just not as often these days as it used to be.

:thumbup:

Andre Avigdor
07-21-2003, 08:15 AM
Well said, Herc... Thanks!

Plastik
07-21-2003, 08:58 AM
http://z31.com/unsorted/bs.jpg

Andre Avigdor
07-21-2003, 10:19 AM
Plastik. what part do you think is BS? The shot of me beating King Kong Bundy in an armwrestle?

WillKuenzel
07-21-2003, 10:28 AM
Did you get your bodyfat tested prior to losing the weight? If so what was it?

How is your strength now?

And don't you think benching 380 and only dl'ing 405 is a little unproportionate?

Andre Avigdor
07-21-2003, 10:58 AM
I did not get it tested prior to my diet... I did not think I would lose as much weight as I did... I wish I had looking back! The only thing I could say is that I was fat :) I do not have the same strength I had at 255lbs, it's coming back though... slowly. My training was something I like to call 'powerbuilding'... I combined core movements with higher reps. My goal was never to be a competitive lifter :)

WillKuenzel
07-21-2003, 11:05 AM
I was just wondering about how much LBM you lost during that diet. Those calories just seemed a little excessivly low.

Tryska
07-21-2003, 11:31 AM
hee hee.

nice wheels! :thumbup:

great transformation as well.

The_Chicken_Daddy
07-21-2003, 01:09 PM
I assumed drug use also, not just from the transformation, but i saw the break-out on your chest in the 193lbs photo.

Andre Avigdor
07-21-2003, 01:20 PM
The breakout was due to getting waxed for the 1st time in my life... 10 days later no more pimples... you know what happens when you assume things! I am clean... I did a single cycle of D-bol when I was in college, I am 31 years old now and have not touched the stuff since then.

WillKuenzel
07-21-2003, 01:34 PM
So what did your workouts look like during this time?

Andre Avigdor
07-21-2003, 01:53 PM
Here's what my routine looked like... month 1-2 where at 5 sets of 10 reps all at the same weight... months 3-4 where at 10 sets of 10 reps all at the same weight :)

Mon & Thurs Chest & Tris
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/chest.jpg
Tues & Fri Back & Bis
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/back.jpg
Wed Legs
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/legs.jpg
Cardio
month 1 5 days week 1hr
month 2-3 7 days week 1.5hrs (2 X45mins)
Month 4 5 days week 30 mins

WillKuenzel
07-21-2003, 01:56 PM
You would do 10 sets for each exercise? I would have thought that a bit of overkill.

What was your rest time inbetween sets like?

Andre Avigdor
07-21-2003, 02:10 PM
1 to 2 mins max rest between set... yes my workouts where brutally long! G-d knows what I was thinking at the time?

JustinASU
07-21-2003, 04:19 PM
If this diet and lifting style worked for you they hey, awesome and congratz but it seems like its against most things I have been taught.

AJ_11
07-22-2003, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by Herc
"cell-tech poster child"

Is actually a correct analysis. As Andre pointed out his transfromation was mainly fat loss. If you look at the progress pics you can see that even before dieting at all, Andree had a lot of muscle "hiding" under fat. Many of the suplement companies use the same principal for less than honest reasons.

Unfortunately, we've been trained by supplement companies to believe that transformations like this are remarkable, but actually represent an old fashoned "extreme" bulk and cut.

Andre's transformation is great and I give him all the props he deserves. We are the ones who need to break out of the cycle of advertising and propganda and keep ourselves from always shouting vitamin "S" and not seeing what is right infromt of our eyes. A big guy who got big through training and diet then got cut through training and diet. It can actually happen, believe it or not - just not as often these days as it used to be.

:thumbup:

Bump. I agree.

Nice job.

Do you have any link to that diet?

Andre Avigdor
07-22-2003, 02:36 AM
All the diet info is on page one of the thread :)

VitalRemains
07-22-2003, 03:27 AM
Great transformation man!

Budiak
07-23-2003, 01:24 AM
I wish I had the dough to buy all those supps.


And a Busa.


But still, amazing progress. I was suspicious that you had a pretty fast metabolism as it was and just ate like a horse in order to keep strength and size up because you looked like one beefy mother.



But, and I dont mean this as an insult, you look WAY older now than you did at 255. You look like you're in your 40s. Also your mother, who was 55, now looks almost 70.

Andre Avigdor
07-23-2003, 09:36 AM
"I dont mean this as an insult, you look WAY older now than you did at 255. You look like you're in your 40s."

I am happy with the way I look now, and most importantly I feel MUCH better!!!

http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/diving%202002%20vs%202003.jpg

Relentless
07-23-2003, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by Budiak
But, and I dont mean this as an insult, you look WAY older now than you did at 255. You look like you're in your 40s. Also your mother, who was 55, now looks almost 70.

This from a young punk who hasn't even begun to sniff 30 coming at him in the breeze. ;)

Budiak: Fat hides wrinkles. Silly boy. I noticed this myself on the journey from 235->195

Andre: well done on the cut, mate. You look good. Waxing's a bitch though, ain't it? :)

Andre Avigdor
07-23-2003, 09:53 AM
Thanks for being the voice of reason, Callahan!

I was so hurt by his comments that I was going to try to gain back all that weight so I can 'look good' again :)

I noticed that you are in Toronto... I moved back to Montreal last year after spending 5 years there. I trained at the following clubs when I was there...
Premiere on Esna Park
Premiere on Kennedy
Extreme in Pickering
Extreme in Richmond Hill

We might have bumped into each other when I was there.... I was the 'good looking' fat guy!

Relentless
07-23-2003, 09:57 AM
nope; I haven't lifted at a premier since 1995-96, and that was the club in Etobicoke

technogeeky
07-23-2003, 10:37 AM
This post intrigues me.

Once I find out if I am/am not losing what I want to with my diet, I might switch. :)

technogeeky
07-23-2003, 10:46 AM
This would not work very well for someone who isn't already very muscular, correct?

Andre Avigdor
07-23-2003, 10:54 AM
Nothing to do with muscles... go back to page 1 of the thread to see my wife who has lost more weight than me and my who is 55 years old and has lost over 50lbs so far...

What's unique about this diet is that what you lose is almost all fat... It worked well for me because I have spent 6 years 'bulking up' :) I don't know what you look like now, so I can't really predict how 'muscular' you will be if you lose the weight you are trying to do... if that makes any sense !?!

HahnB
07-23-2003, 11:15 AM
are you sure this isn't one of those phone calls you get where they 'swear' they aren't selling something

Andre Avigdor
07-23-2003, 11:24 AM
The only thing I selling is all my old clothes that don't fit me anymore! Did I say anything that would make you think I am selling something???

technogeeky
07-23-2003, 12:57 PM
Does one need to take ALL of those supplements to be successful? Ephedra is out for me. Other than that, are all those laxatives, etc, really necessary? I'm pretty young (19) so keep that in mind.

Andre Avigdor
07-23-2003, 01:08 PM
Most of the supplements I am taking have nothing to do with dieting or weight training. The laxatives are due to the lack of actual food consumption as well as the types of food I was eating. If you go on this diet, the only supplements you need are a good multi vitamin and a calcium/potassium supplement. Everything else is optional... And the Ephedra helps me get out of bed @ 4AM :)

technogeeky
07-23-2003, 01:22 PM
I weigh about 300 now. Would it be wise for me to start about 1000 cals a day instead of 700? Did you check to make sure you stayed in ketosis often?

Andre Avigdor
07-23-2003, 01:46 PM
"I weigh about 300 now. Would it be wise for me to start about 1000 cals a day instead of 700? Did you check to make sure you stayed in ketosis often?"
It's hard for me to say because I don't know how much weight you actually need to lose or what your protein req't is. How tall are you and what do think your target weight is? Don't worry about checking for Ketosis... as long as you are about 1000 calories below your actual caloric req't, your body will remain in a 'ketogenic' state.

technogeeky
07-23-2003, 03:54 PM
I'm 6'5. I don't know my BF% yet. I'll check back.

JD77
07-23-2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Andre Avigdor
[B....Don't worry about checking for Ketosis... as long as you are about 1000 calories below your actual caloric req't, your body will remain in a 'ketogenic' state. [/B]


:scratch:

vocalmaster
07-23-2003, 07:17 PM
Good job Andre! I like your website and your story is very encouraging. I too have a build similar to yours. As a former bodybuilder, I have a large musculature that is hidden under the fat. But since June 1st, I've lost 20 lbs of fat and I've gained several lbs. of muscle. Like you say, gaining the muscle tissue is the hardest part. I've seen it time and time again and I've gotta say, I'd much rather be a big guy trying to get cut than be a little skinny guy and have to try to gain the muscle.

I like the diet information you posted. Thanks for the info! Good job handling the naysayers. Keep up the great work!

Andre Avigdor
07-23-2003, 08:03 PM
Thanks vocalmaster!

vocalmaster
07-23-2003, 08:17 PM
No problem. By the way, at noon yesterday, I visited your lovely country for the first time. Wish I could have stayed longer but was busy with something else going on. I went to Sault Ste Marie and visited for a couple of hours. Just got a small taste but now know that I want to go back to visit your country very soon! I'm back home now, 1100 miles away, drove the whole way. Left your country just before 2:00 PM and got home at 6:20am this morning. Did some serious hauling!

Toy-Yoda
07-24-2003, 01:26 PM
Congrats on the diet.

You just owned Jared from Subway and his entire family.

Andre Avigdor
07-24-2003, 01:29 PM
Screw Jared... he's a sub eating wimp :strong:

Budiak
07-24-2003, 01:40 PM
Or those two black guys who lost 3000 pounds in a summer by eating nothing but subway.

Um...I never said you were better looking when you were fat, I just said you look older now. I didnt say you were ugly at all. Unless of course, you equivocate age with homeliness, which I dont.

Silly boy? **** you, Cal.

Andre Avigdor
07-24-2003, 01:45 PM
"Or those two black guys who lost 3000 pounds in a summer by eating nothing but subway."

3000lbs ?!?

Budiak
07-24-2003, 02:10 PM
By the way the commercial is made, it could be 150 pounds or 3000 pounds, like subway is some miracle cure for obesity. And they say that ALL they ate was subway. They wouldnt say that they worked out or did anything like that and by the looks of all these people who lose weight on subway diets, they dont workout. Jared...jared is skinnyfat. These two black dudes were probably athletic as youths and then just started eating pizzas and swilling beer all day, so yeah they gained weight. Who the **** knows.

Togos is better anyways.

steveo
07-24-2003, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Andre Avigdor
"Or those two black guys who lost 3000 pounds in a summer by eating nothing but subway."

3000lbs ?!?

those guys can be male gogo dancers

harryhoudini66
07-24-2003, 02:17 PM
Man Jared has no place in this thread. That fool was a large sack and now is a skinny sack.

fuelmule
07-26-2003, 02:10 PM
I thought you would have to consume less carbs to remain in ketosis and eat more fat? Am I wrong. Basically I'm like you were except not as fat, 235lbs and strong as you are. I want to show the muscle too and I'd kill to look like you. I tried ketogenic dieting and I ate burgers and bacon and eggs etc. I didn't lose that much and I felt like it was just wrong... heart attack city.
Right now I'm eating for strength and getting more porky. It's gotta stop. I'm going to try your diet...but I'm wondering about the carbs and staying in ketosis...:help:

Big o Boy
07-26-2003, 02:28 PM
Nice Car. That still an LS1 sitting in there? Got some nice numbers on that. ;)

fuelmule
07-26-2003, 02:37 PM
Muscle loss? On 1000 calories a day I couldn't possibly keep any strength or muscle... I just looked at the diet and I thought the grams were the calorie totals, but I then saw the 1000 cal a day totals... I don't know...that's pretty low even for a girl.

harryhoudini66
07-27-2003, 12:53 AM
Okay, I know I am going to sound like an ass for saying this Andre, but here goes. I have been looking at your pics and I admire them very much. I think that by accusing you of steroid use that it shows how much I appreciate your results. Well, I looked at your pics and it seems that all your hard work and effort has gone to upper body development. I saw pics that showed your legs and they look like they are lagging behind. I am only saying this because it is a bodybuilding forum and as you are aware bodybuilding involves symmetry and developing all muscles. I think that if your lower body was as equally as impressive as your upper that you would have what many consider an ideal physic. Anyway, that is just my 2 cents.

Andre Avigdor
07-27-2003, 07:27 AM
Thanks for the honest feedback harryhoudini66, I am the 1st to admit my legs are out of sync with my upper body! My calves are 2 inches smaller than my biceps ;( I made a commitment to really kick up my leg intensity... starting yesterday, funny enough! When I woke up this morning and had a hard time walking to the bathroom, I reallised I was off to a good start!

Big o Boy, Bone stock LS1... making about 400HP @ the crank and with a 100HP shot of Nitrous it jumps up to 500HP and over 600lb/ft torque at the crank! More power, ugh ugh ugh :)

fuelmule, The type of ketogenic diet I am reccomending is based on Dr. Blackburn's protein sparring modified fast... so it's low in fat as well as carb and is high in protein... based on all of this, it's VERY low in callories. How low you can go in callories depends on how much stored fat your body has. You will notice from one of my earlier responses in this thread, my daily caloric intake went from 750 to 1500 during my 4 months of dieting. The way I look at it, I think that almost anyone can function well @ about 10 calories per lb of lean mass on a diet like the one I went on that was made up of 48% pro 33% carbs 19% fat. During this type portion of my diet I managed my personal best on the bench press with just 5lbs short of 4 plates a side... I pushed this twice and called it a day :)

All I can say, is that I am talking from my own personal experience and that you should not knock it withoug trying it!

AJ_11
07-27-2003, 10:47 AM
Just wondering, what are your cals up to now?

Andre Avigdor
07-27-2003, 07:17 PM
I tryed this diet at 3000 calories for about 1 month and gained 10lbs http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/3000%20cals.jpg ... probably 7lbs lean and 3lbs fat. I am considering to enter a small local contest next month and will try this 2600 calorie diet and see if I can shave off a couple lbs of fat and maybe even gain a lean 1-2lbs. http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/2600%20cals%20cutting.jpg