Injectible 1-test

[PowerManDL]

Looks like the new cypionate-esterified form of 1-test can now be converted to an injectible pretty easily, and from the reports I've seen its largely a painless inject.

I have to admit I'm interested to see the effects of it in injectible form.

[the doc]

yeah it will be interesting, and i suspect it would be similar to primo but with a stronger dose-response curve

[big]

why not just use 'regular' test? because it's illegal?

[the doc]

one test has much stronger properties than regular test

[BUFF STUFF]

I know a recepie for it i could post


although ive heard it to be almost the same as tren

& the mg/ml would be 50mg/ml which could meen like EQ you could end up using yourself as a pin cusion!!!:eek:

[Goin_Big]

I dunno about ya'll, but I'd rather take something that tastes like crap, hold it under my tongue until it absorbs into my blood stream, and be done with it. I'm not a big fan of injecting stuff :D

[JustinASU]

Are we talking about the same ProHormone 1-test that a million people have used before? Is it supposedly more effective in injectible form?

[PowerManDL]

Anything's gonna be more effective in injectible form.

The reason it wasn't before is because 1-test is an irritant, so injecting it wouldn't be the most fun thing-- not to mention it was a base, so you'd have to inject it fairly frequently.

The cypionate version doesn't have those drawbacks.

Buff-- I see no reason why you couldn't get it stable at least at 200mg/ml.

[JustinASU]

If using 1-test in this form could one still use some form of 4-AD to combat the lethargy and drop in libido? What about recovery? Would 6-oxo still be a legitimate recovery drug?

[handler]

Are we talking about prohormones? Waste of money.Go with the real thing and save yourself time and money,we already know it works!!!!!

[JustinASU]

Handler -- For me anyway, I'm too unknowledgeable to try to real deal so in the meantime with a little knowledge and research, PHs can be a nice boost. Finding legitimate information about AAS can be a LOT harder than PHs. And then there's the availability issue of AAS, or the unavailability issue if I want to state that correctly. And tack onto that the higher prices and it stops becoming a viable option.

[the doc]

it is not a prohormone, it is the REAL thing

also, why use 4-ad if you are already injecting. At that point you might as well get real test (if it were legal)

[JustinASU]

Doc, as I mentioned, 4-AD to combat the lethargy and drop in libido...otherwise they can be thoroughly annoying.

Oh Yes and the fact remains that real test isnt legal and hard to get (at least for someone like me).

[PowerManDL]

Aye....1-test is as real as anything you can get black market.

I think 4-ad would be fine to take with it....its got a cypionate ester out now as well. But I'm not sure I'd bother injecting...just take the oral or transdermal and be done with it.

I think on a short enough cycle, 6-oxo would probably work fine. But I dunno...if I were to do this (and I'm not :angel: ), I'd probably go ahead and get some clomid/nolva/adex for post cycle (since it may very well be stacked with black market products, hypothetically speaking since I don't use drugs :angel: ).

[JustinASU]

PM, I asked because for me, when using the transdermal form of 1-test 6-oxo is great for recovery. I suppose the injectible is just that much more potent.

[JustinASU]

Here's another question, and let me know if I'm getting to far away from the subject at hand; How well do transdermals and injectables combine and work together?

[PowerManDL]

I think it'd be redundant, to be honest.....if you're gonna inject, inject.

But if you're just asking in terms of function, there'd be no issue with doing an injectible and a transdermal.

[JustinASU]

Redundant? How so?


if you're gonna inject, inject.

So hypothetically if someone was to inject 1-test and wanted to take that with 4-AD then should inject the 4-AD also?

[PowerManDL]

No, not at all....what I meant was, if you're going to be injecting anyway, you might as well go ahead and just use straight test instead of bothering with something like 4-ad.

But that's just me. The reason I'd use 1-test is because its an interesting compound that could have some very nice effects if injected; 4-ad doesn't have anything going for it that straight test couldn't do and do better.

[the doc]

:withstupi

[Severed Ties]

Originally posted by PowerManDL
No, not at all....what I meant was, if you're going to be injecting anyway, you might as well go ahead and just use straight test instead of bothering with something like 4-ad.

But that's just me. The reason I'd use 1-test is because its an interesting compound that could have some very nice effects if injected; 4-ad doesn't have anything going for it that straight test couldn't do and do better.

I guess you've never used injectable 4-AD:evillaugh



ST

[JustinASU]

ST are you saying a 4-AD/1-test injectable would be effective?

[Severed Ties]

I'm saying injectable 4-AD is more potent than people give it credit for.

Saying it would be effective is rather arbitrary.

ST

[the doc]

is there any research on the anabolic/androgenic properties of 4-ad itself (as opposed to it being a function of its conversion to testosterone)?

[PowerManDL]

If I remember right, it does have some A/A properties in and of itself, but I don't think its anything extreme. Then again, all that would be based on oral/transdermal delivery, so injecting it might change that equation.

Hell it might be worth looking into as a less legally risky alternative.

Oh, that reminds me....I'm gonna add a page giving the FDA hell about the whole PH/ephedra ban, and I'm gonna make a clever page to tell Congress how much we like being "protected" from these evil chemicals. I'll keep ya posted.

[Paul Stagg]

Originally posted by JustinASU
Handler -- For me anyway, I'm too unknowledgeable to try to real deal so in the meantime with a little knowledge and research, PHs can be a nice boost. Finding legitimate information about AAS can be a LOT harder than PHs. And then there's the availability issue of AAS, or the unavailability issue if I want to state that correctly. And tack onto that the higher prices and it stops becoming a viable option.

There are 50+ years of reasearch on 'the real thing'. How much on PH? How much long term study?

IME, prohormones are more expensive.

[BUFF STUFF]

I know how to make inj-1 test, It sounds good,blah blah

BUT

has any one tried it yet???

ST tell us about your gains on inj-4ad


-DL how often do you think it would have to be injected, ive been told ED or EOD

[PowerManDL]

Cypionate is cypionate....get the concentration high enough and you could do it just like any other, 2-3x a week depending on how much you're running.

Some of the guys I've seen have had it in the 200-300mg/ml range; that'd be perfect for 2x a week.

[JustinASU]

I am seriously thinking about doing this for my bulking cycle in September. If anyone has any studies or results about injectable 4-AD/1-test please, DO post them.


There are 50+ years of reasearch on 'the real thing'. How much on PH? How much long term study?

Paul, you've made a good point there, but AAS seem to be taken more seriously than PHs and again I bring up the availability issue for a college student.

[Severed Ties]

Originally posted by BUFF STUFF

ST tell us about your gains on inj-4ad


I never tired it alone so it's difficult to say just how much could be attributed to it rather than the testosterone I was using with it.

What suprised me was I found the injectable form to be the single most potent CNS stimulant of any androgen I've used.

ST

[the doc]

ST was that an esterified form?

[Severed Ties]

Nope nothing fancy Doc :D


ST

[BUFF STUFF]

Ok But who has used this method in question (1-test)

to sucess??????

any takers?

[JustinASU]

Seriously, I really would like to know. I would also like to know if I am gonna need stronger recovery drugs if I utilize this method as opposed to transdermal.

[the doc]

justin, 1 test is a astrongly androgenic compound. I would plan on full recovery regimen including possibly hcg hroughout

[the doc]

that would be if you were to inject

[BUFF STUFF]

whats 1-test like on the hair line???

[JustinASU]

The transdermal did nothing to my hair.

[BUFF STUFF]

any studies anyone??

[Blood&Iron]

Originally posted by BUFF STUFF
any studies anyone??
You have to remember 1-test was abandoned by pharmaceutical companies a long time ago. There are no studies whatsover, so far as I'm aware (other than the one that's referenced in all the ads)

At least one guy at the Avant boards has been keeping a journal detailing his experimentation with injectable 1-test.

[BUFF STUFF]

really? whats the web address?

[Blood&Iron]

Originally posted by BUFF STUFF
really? whats the web address?

http://www.avantlabs.com/main.php?pageID=97