competition cycle?

[WillKuenzel]

How do competitors (not pro level) normally cycle through? How does post recovery come into play with affecting weight and fat loss?

Is there a maintanence period in between their bulking and cutting cycles or do they typically combine the two and do post recovery after the shows?


Lets just say for example that someone was running a test/dbol or test/EQ cycle for bulking (10 or 12 weeks?). Would it be wise to start dieting during the post cycle recovery or wait until that's over?

What might a pre-contest cut cycle look like?

[Paul Stagg]

Anyone?

I have a feeling the answers will vary by individual.

[the doc]

i've heard really androgenic, non-aromatizing compounds like tren, winstol, halotestin that limit bloat and provide a "hardening" effect are used

[BCC]

As far as post cycle recovery goes, that is all taken care of afterwards. Going off drugs before a competition is a big no-no.

HY, I'll speak from the experiences of a lot of friends of mine, some heavily using drugs, and others not quite as many.

One thing they never do is diet during post cycle recovery, that is just asking for trouble, and a lot of muscle loss. Usually their last bulking cycle (assuming they go off) falls about 20-24 weeks before the show. Then a seperate precontest cycle begins 12 weeks out. This is the cycle which usually consists of drugs doc cited. Tren, winstrol, and test suspension are popular amongst friends of mine. I also have a friend whose dieted with dianabol, tren, and winstrol to great success.

[WillKuenzel]

Thanks BCC!! That's what I was looking for.


So do they generally do a 8-10 week bulking cycle followed by recovery or do they do a longer cycle and then just bridge over to the pre-contest cycle?

[BCC]

The more serious competitors I know will generally bridge over to the precontest prep. Although the weekend warrior types tend to follow up bulking cycles with recovery.

[tony touch]

ok here is what i would do if i decided to do a competition.

20 weeks out-750 mg of test enanthate or sust--400-600 mg of EQ--40 mg dbol

12 weeks out-drop dbol

10 weeks out- add 75 mg of tren ED-- drop the enanthate-- add prop 100 mg EOD

6 weeks out- drop EQ--add winstrol 50 mg ED

3 weeks out-drop prop

1 week out- drop tren, winny right up until show, use anadrol with carb up


that was just the sauce part. i would prob cycle clen and eca starting around week 12. low dose t3 also would prob be thrown into there.

id prob use lots of arimidex the last 8-10 weeks. none the weeks 10-20.

no hgh.

glucophage and other little goodies might be tossed in.

as soon as competition is over, post cycle recovery starts and so does binge eating. i would take 1 week off and eat eat eat and recover. your body needs the rest.

[tony touch]

by the way, id need funding. lol

[scanderson]

Tony

I've heard about using A-50 with carbing up. I've never tried it because I don't start carbing until 2.5 days out and that's pretty much when I start cutting the water too so I didn't want to hold too much. I used knox (halo) with a great deal of success the last couple weeks before. What are your thoughts on using A-50 given my situation of low carb up time. ( I also start loading water I week out and look like a water Buffalo untill I about 3 days out.) thanks

[tony touch]

u looking watery has a lot to do with manipulating your carbs at the right time and the right amounts. timing is everything. without me knowing ur body, i couldnt really give u advice on the timing, etc.

A-50 can b an excellent tool that last week due to the insanely "full" look it gives your muscles. again, timing\diet\diuretics\anti-es,etc prob have to b right on tho or else you might end up looking like a water buffalo.

A-50 precontest is a secret of the pros but i wouldnt recommend it to somebody just learning how to do a precontest because the chance of error is becomes much larger. you have to truly know your body.

halo is an excellent tool precontest also but it all comes down to what level of competition are you at? is it worth using so many liver toxic substances if its just a lower level competition? what is the prize? how much money are you actually willing to spend if the prize is only a trophy and not much chance to move up a level?

you have to consider these questions when designing a precontest cycle.

for a local contest, i wouldnt use much more than prop\winny\tren and clen\eca. you probably could get by with jsut prop and winny and eca. precontest is mostly diet.

[scanderson]

I hear what your saying. The knox is one of those most toxic orals you can take, the A-50 is close behind. As far as the carbs and me looking watery, I typically look exceptionally watery those 6-4 days out because my consumation is so much higher than usual. I mimic a carb loading/ carb depleating cycle pretty much every week for the last 7-8 weeks. I have found through out all my trial and error that this allows the greatest predictability and allows me to control my peak. As far as what level I'm at, I will be going to be competing in some larger regional shows up here and the Contra Costa in California. I agree that for shows of this size (not USA or Nat'l) it is questionable whether incurring the harm is worth risk. Personally I do everything I can to curb the side affects (I'm a big advocate of anti-estrogen, HCG ect.) and take about 12-15 months off between cycles.

[tony touch]

trial and error bro. sometime durin ur offseason, do a smal low carb diet for like 3 weeks and then do a carb up. during that carbup, throw some low dose anadrol in there and see wut happens. experiment. thats the only way you will find wuts right for your body. try 25 mg each day of carb up