Anavar - oxandrolone??

[lazyman79]

hey im little confused about somthing and was hoping somone might be able to help me. I was wondering if i should take Anavar. I 17 and weigh about 139. Im hoping to bulk up a little more im not vary big so i was wondering if this would help me or if I might need somthing stronger. Any replys and I would be greatful. thx



heres some sites that helped me out on the info in case anyone wants to look they have pretty good info.

http://www.anadrol.org
http://www.dianabol.org
http://www.deca-durabolin.org


Name: Jason
Email americana27@cs.com :help:

[big buck]

bad news bro.

Anavar is bearly a steroid. You will only gain a little if any mass. Just density and loose what ever fat you have.

Wait till your 21 first and gain about 20 lbs. naturally first.

Believe me you are way to younge for steriods.

[lazyman79]

anyone know of a good stronger steroid if this one isnt good?:confused:

[Maki Riddington]

Food and Squats.

[Tadger]

Bro, we're not trying to steer you wrong here. We'll do whatever we can do help... but you're too young to hit the gear. Take a look at the recent threads here... there's a few by guys just like yourself. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Just save your money, eat like mad and train heavy. At your age you won't even need the gear.

[lazyman79]

well, is there anything else besides steroids that could give good results fast?:help:

[YatesNightBlade]

Originally posted by big buck
Anavar is bearly a steroid. You will only gain a little if any mass. Just density and loose what ever fat you have.


I gained 14+ pounds on my first cycle of Anavar !!!! How Come Big Buck ???

Lazyman, listen to the guys. Train hard and get a good diet together first. Build a good foundation and in a few years you might be ready to take AS.

[Sun]

Originally posted by lazyman79
well, is there anything else besides steroids that could give good results fast?:help:

Yeah, what Maki said.

[Wizard]

Yes.. steroids..
But for a 17 y.o guy,it's what Maki said.

[Life4ever]

Originally posted by YatesNightBlade


I gained 14+ pounds on my first cycle of Anavar !!!! How Come Big Buck ???



I bet if I gave you a sugar pill yates and said it was anavar, you would have gained atleast 10 pounds, not knowing that its fake. Your mind set on training/growing is far more intact while on anabolics than natural training. Just thinking you are, you will train much better and I bet you would also grow more too. The mind is very powerful

[lazyman79]

Well, Im trying to get hold of whatever has the least side effects but might give me the most gains. Anavar has lower side effects than most other steroids. Im also going to use clen and dnp probably, but they also have lower side effects than most things.

[lazyman79]

The compound with the generic name Oxandrolone SPA by S.p.A. Milano Company (Societa Produtti Antibiotica) from Italy is the only original anabolic steroid available in Europe which contains the substance Oxandrolone. There are 30 tablets in one box with one push-through strip of 30 tablets. Oxandrolone is a weak steroid with only a slight androgenic component. It has been shown that Oxandrolone, when taken in reasonable dosages, rarely has any side effects. Oxandrolone is one of the few steroids which does not cause an early stunting of growth in children since it does not prematurely close the epiphysial growth plates.

Bodybuilders and powerlifters, in particutar, like Oxandrolone for three reasons. First, Oxandrolone causes a strong strength gain by stimulating the phosphocreatine synthesis in the muscle cell without depositing liquid (water) in the joints and the muscles. Powerlifters and weightlifters who do not want to end up in a higher weight class take advantage of this since it allows them to get stronger without gaining body weight at the same time. The combination of Oxandrolone and 20 - 30 mg Holotestin daily has proven to be very effective since the muscles also look harder. Similarly good results can be achieved by a simultaneous intake of Oxandrolone and 120-140 mcg Clenbuterol per day. Although Oxandrolone itself does not cause a noticeable muscle growth it can clearly improve the muscle-developing effect of many steroids. Deca Durabolin, Dianabol (D-bol), and the various testosterone compounds, in particular, combine well with Oxandrolone to achieve a "mass buildup" because the strength gain caused by the intake of these highly tissue-developing and liquid-retaining substances results in an additional muscle mass. A stack of 200 mg Deca Durabolin/week, 500 mg Testoviron Depot (e.g. Testoviron Ethanate 250)/week, and 25 mg Oxandrolone/day leads to a good gain in strength and mass in most athletes. Deca Durabolin has a distinct anabolic effect and stimulates the synthesis of protein; Oxandrolone improves the strength by a higher phosphocreatine synthesis; and Testoviron Depot inereases the aggressiveness for the workout and accelerates regeneration.

Since Oxandrolone is only slightly toxic and usually shows few side effects it is used by several athletes over a prolonged period ot time. However Oxandrolone should not be taken for several consecutive months, since, as with almost all oral steroids it is 17-alpha alkylated and thus liver toxic. Oxandrolone is an all purpose remedy which, depending on the athlete's goal, is very versatile. Women who react sensitively to the intake of anabolic steroids achieve good results when combining Oxandrolone/Primobolan Tabs and/or Clenbuterol, without suffering from the usual virilization symptoms. Women, however should not take more than 6 tablets daily. Otherwise, androgenic-caused side effects such as acne, deep voice, clitorial hypertrophy or increased growth of body hair can occur.

See, not as harmful as most, im just trying to take the ones that give the most gains but the fewest side effects.;)

[Sun]

lazyman...

DNP has lower side effects?

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You better just stay away from the drugs and do more research.

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Ok. I'm done now. Being serious, if you treat DNP like that - It's been nice knowing you.

[lazyman79]

I dont know if theres anything else that could give me fast results like steroids i did alot of supplements for awhile but didnt gain that much. I did go up but only after a period of time of using them. Creatine, myoplex, Protein, Androstenedione,yellow jackets, then other smaller things like amino acid pills ect...

I know dnp has some more side effects but i dont intend on doing this stuff for any long periods of time. im only going to do dnp and clen for 1 o2 2 cycles. Same with anavar or whatever else I get.

[Sun]

YOU DONT GET FAST RESULTS THIS IS NOT A DAY AFTER TYPE OF COMMITMENT.

- YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO TRAIN PROPERLY.

- YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DIET PROPERLY.

- YOU ARE YOUNG, YOU CAN SCREW YOURSELF UP WITH AS. DID YOU KNOW THAT IT CAN PREMATURELY CLOSE GROWTH PLATES, DID YOU KNOW THAT YOUR TESTOSTERONE LEVELS VERY WELL MAY NOT EVER RECOVER?

- DO YOU KNOW THE LONG TERM AFFECTS POTENTIALLY ASSOCIATED WITH DNP AS WELL AS THE SHORT TERM SIDE EFFECTS OF IT'S USE? DO YOU? DO YOU KNOW THE DOSAGE AT WHICH YOU'LL BE TAKING THIS PRODUCT, DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO CALCULATE ACCUMULATION IN THE BODY AND THE HALF LIFE OF DINITROPHENOL SO THAT YOU DON'T ACCIDENTLY OVERDOSE IT? DO YOU KNOW HOW TO EVEN STAND A CHANCE OF STAYING ALIVE IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO ACCIDENTLY OVERDOSE?

- YOU SEEM TO BE LOOKING FOR A QUICK FIX. DO YOU KNOW HOW TO KEEP YOUR GAINS AFTER YOUR CYCLE IS OVER? DO YOU PLAN TO STAY ON FOREVER?

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Yes I am screaming. It needs to be put up, real big. If you choose to use AS that is your choice. You seem to be looking for the quick fix, like I said. There IS NOT ONE. This is not a short term commitment, as Paul Stagg said.

You said in a previous post DNP had less sides. I'm here to tell you that's a crock of *****. You screw with that stuff, you mess up - YOU'RE DEAD. It's as simple as that.

Do you get the point yet, or should I continue?

[lazyman79]

im still studying the stuff calm down, heeesh I have to other pages open and im reading more even as i speak! =) Take a deep breath.:o

[lazyman79]

Description
Is available in 10 - 20 mcg tablets or in the .016 mg/gram Ventapulmin Vet variety. Clenbuterol is known as a sympathomimetic. These hormones are taken to mimic adrenaline and noradrenaline in the human body. Clenbuterol is a selective beta-2 agonist that is used to stimulate the beta receptors in fat and muscle tissue in the body. Clenbuterol exhibits most of it's effects on the stimulation of both type 2 and 3 beta receptors. Clenbuterol is really one of bodybuilding's most misunderstood performance enhancement drugs. It is true that it is effective in helping to burn bodyfat but it is often been stated that clenbuterol is effective in causing anabolic gains and has in times even been compared to some of the weaker anabolic steroids. Books such as the World Anabolic Review, 1996, by P. Grunding and M. Bachmann state incorrectly that, "its effects, however, can by all means be compared to those of steroids. Similar to a combination of Winstrol Depot and Oxandrolone...." These statements are inaccurate and misleading to say the least. A lot of these claims as to the anabolic effects of clenbuterol are derived from studying the effects of clenbuterol on livestock. Clenbuterol is effective in increasing muscle mass and decreasing fat loss in animals.

The problem with the variation in anabolic effects between humans and livestock is that livestock have an abundance of the type 3 beta receptors whereas humans have little if any of the type 3 beta receptors. These beta-3 receptors increases insulin secretion and sensitivity, causing more glucose and amino acids to be transported into skeletal muscle thus causing the anabolic effects that we, humans, just aren't seeing. As Dan Duchaine stated in his Muscle Media article on clenbuterol, "In those animal research studies showing an anabolic effect from clenbuterol, it's my guess the anabolism happens specifically when the beta2 receptor stops working. At that point, the beta3 increases and causes the anabolic effect through insulin mechanisms." Since humans, again, have either very little or no beta-3 receptors, there is no chance of this anabolic effect. Just another of the studies where everyone assumed that what works in animals must work in humans. This is just simply not the case with clenbuterol.

Clenbuterol does work effectively as a fat burner though. It does this by slight increases in the body temperature. With each degree that the temperature in your body is raised from the use of clenbuterol, you will burn up approximately an extra 5% of maintenance calories. This makes it effective as a fat burner. Your body will fight this by cutting down on the amount of active thyroid in the body as well as through beta receptor down regulation which explains why you only have a limited effective period to take clenbuterol. While I am on the subject of beta receptor down regulation, I would like to dispose of another myth. This involves the two on/two off cycling theory that I believe was originated by Bill Phillips in the Anabolic Reference Guide and has somehow made it's was into every other steroid book since then including the WAR and Physical Enhancement with an Edge. The two on-two off theory simply will not work because of one main reason: the half life of clenbuterol. This 2-on/2-off idea was a THEORY ONLY, not by a doctor or scientist, and not based on specific knowledge of clenbuterol, but derived by imitation from other drug's with shorter half lives. Clenbuterol has been reported as having a half life of about 2 days, but that is not actually correct, since it has biphasic elimination, with the half-life of the rapid phase being about 10 hours, and the slower phase being several days. Supposedly, this is one of the reasons the FDA never approved clenbuterol as an anti-asthmatic drug...the FDA frowns on drugs with long half-lives if drugs with more normal half-lives are available. So with a 2-on/2-off cycle you never have time to get enough of the clenbuterol out of your system for this theory to be reasonable. In actuality, it probably hasn't even dropped to 50% of your peak concentration before you are taking the drug again. With this all taken into account, there is no reason to think that this cycling would significantly reduce the problem of receptor desensitization. A more reasonable approach would be either one week on, one week off, or alternately, two weeks on two weeks off. The two week cycle has the disadvantage of a "crash" period afterwards. This crash period can be helped with the use of ephedrine to lessen the lethargy that you will experience.

If you are interested in taking clenbuterol for anything other than fat loss then you might as well stay away from this compound. There is a lot of talk as to how clenbuterol compares to ephedrine as well. Most "experts" feel that clen gives a better bang for the buck than the ECA stack. It should be noted that clenbuterols results and effects are much shorter lived. They work through very similar mechanisms. Both products stimulate the beta-receptors but clenbuterol seems to be a more refined version, called a second generation beta-agonist drug, than ephedrine. Clenbuterol targets the proper receptors, being the beta-2 and 3 receptors than ephedrine more specifically which should in theory make clenbuterol more effective of a fat burner.
Again, most of the so called "experts" say that clenbuterol is more effective than ephedrine. I, personally, get worse results with clen vs. the good old ECA stack. Clenbuterol also didn't blunt my hunger either and I ate more while taking it as well. I also seem to get much better effects out of cytomel as a fat burner as well. Even better than the ECA stack or clenbuterol. But, again, that is my personal opinion.

Effective Dose
80-140 mcgs. / day in split doses throughout the day. Anything over 140 mcg a day is overkill since the beta receptors can only take so much of a product and then more is just wasteful.

Street Price
$.50 - 1.00 / tab. Fairly inexpensive in Mexico though. Spiropent is currently going for about $7.50/box, Novegam for $5.25/box, and Oxyflux for about $3.30/box. Stacking Info
One week on, one week off might make sense, or alternately, two weeks on two weeks off makes sense but has the disadvantage of a "crash" period afterwards. You can take ephedrine after the clen to help reduce this "crash" period or at least make it more bearable for you. The two on/two off theory is absolute bull**** and can't work; read above.

[Sun]

No, I won't. Don't pretend you know **** about something like that when you don't. Someone grabs up that piece of info, maybe some irresponsible kid... drops the DNP thinking less sides means he can take more - And he dies.

Of course you don't know about it.
But that doesn't change the fact he's dead.

[Sun]

That's a nice cut and paste you got going there. You read it? Are you trying to teach me?

[lazyman79]

sun go to the chat right now we just keep going back and forth on this.

[Sun]

No mommy I won't do what you tell me.

[lazyman79]

sigh

[lazyman79]

Well, I talked to `sun` earlyer and he showed me his routine and so I think im going to go with some of that and try to eat more like steaks and protein.

[Shaggy]

Along with that large portion of humble pie..eh bro?

;)

[Sun]

Good decision. You won't regret it.

[YatesNightBlade]

Originally posted by Life4ever


I bet if I gave you a sugar pill yates and said it was anavar, you would have gained atleast 10 pounds, not knowing that its fake. Your mind set on training/growing is far more intact while on anabolics than natural training. Just thinking you are, you will train much better and I bet you would also grow more too. The mind is very powerful

Agreed Life, the mind is powerful, but 14 pounds of quality muscle powerful ???? Me thinks not !!!!

[Life4ever]

How long was your cycle and what dosage yates?

[YatesNightBlade]

Good God it was a long time ago now. Maybe 100 tabs. 6 weeks.

I grow lots.