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geoffgarcia
09-16-2003, 01:37 PM
aight, I've been taking
Olive in the AM
and Udos in the PM

I'm gonna switch it up and take fish in the AM
any brands you guys recommend?
can these be bought online? I'm not much of a "go out and shop"
kinda guy?
anything I should look for in particular?

and if you have a suggestion on what I should take in the PM I'll take it under advice...my Udo's bottle is just about done.
Should I double up on the fish?

PS, how bad is bottle form of fish oil? are pills really the way to go here?

JuniorMint6669
09-16-2003, 01:55 PM
I think you have to go out and get it, not sure where online, but costco sells 300 1g fish oil caps. Best deal i can find anywhere. Ive never looked into liquid form, as I cant imagine choking down spoonfulls of the stuff ;) I take 3g in the AM and 3g in the PM, but Im not sure what is in Udo's, so Im not sure which would be better.

edit: i didnt tell you the price, lol, its $7 for 300g.

geoffgarcia
09-16-2003, 02:04 PM
cool thanks Junior
not sure how much 3g is? I take 1tbsp AM/PM on a 2300cal diet
but am upping to bulking and will shoot for 2700 so might up my dosage

JuniorMint6669
09-16-2003, 02:13 PM
9 calories per gram, so 27 calories per 3g. Most studies done with fish oil use 6-9g. But some have used far more. And by trolling around the journals in various forums, I see some people use 10, 20, or even 30g of fish oil a day. I have no idea what is optimal though, as I assume the law of diminishing returns will kick in at some point.

geoffgarcia
09-16-2003, 02:36 PM
is 3 g a tablespoon I mean?

bradley
09-17-2003, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by geoffgarcia
I'm gonna switch it up and take fish in the AM
any brands you guys recommend?
can these be bought online? I'm not much of a "go out and shop"
kinda guy?
anything I should look for in particular?

I just use the Sam's brand, which contains 300mg of EPA/DHA per 1g cap. You can buy fish oil online, and usually the higher the concentration of EPA/DHA the more expensive the oil will be.



and if you have a suggestion on what I should take in the PM I'll take it under advice...my Udo's bottle is just about done.
Should I double up on the fish?

I really do not see a reason to use Udo's, since most people already get plenty of n-6 fats through their diet, and Udo's would not really help as far as your ratio of n-6 ot n-3 fats goes.

I would take in ~3g of EPA/DHA (combined total) per day, and then use olive oil if you need to further increase your fat intake. Olive oil contains mostly monounsaturated fat which will not affect the ratio of n-6 to n-3 fats.



PS, how bad is bottle form of fish oil? are pills really the way to go here?

I use the caps out of convenience and they are less expensive, but most of the oils are flavored and contain a high conentration of EPA/DHA, which increases the cost as well.

bradley
09-17-2003, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by JuniorMint6669
9 calories per gram, so 27 calories per 3g. Most studies done with fish oil use 6-9g. But some have used far more. And by trolling around the journals in various forums, I see some people use 10, 20, or even 30g of fish oil a day. I have no idea what is optimal though, as I assume the law of diminishing returns will kick in at some point.

The amount of EPA/DHA is what is important, not the amount of fat.:)

BobbyRS
09-17-2003, 09:38 AM
I'm gonna switch it up and take fish in the AM
any brands you guys recommend?
can these be bought online? I'm not much of a "go out and shop"
kinda guy?
anything I should look for in particular?

I like this:
http://www.carlsonlabs.com/productdetail.phtml?prodid=10025836

500mg DHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid) and 800mg of EPA (Eicosapentaenoic Acid).

In just two teaspoons (yes oil, not caps) a day you can get over 3 grams of O-3's.

JuniorMint6669
09-17-2003, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by bradley


The amount of EPA/DHA is what is important, not the amount of fat.:)

:nod:How do they get more epa/dha into 1g? Is it from a different source? or just extracted? Why bother selling anything BUT epa/dha if thats all we want? Damn them... making me add more fat calories to my diet than i need>_<

bradley
09-17-2003, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by JuniorMint6669


:nod:How do they get more epa/dha into 1g? Is it from a different source? or just extracted? Why bother selling anything BUT epa/dha if thats all we want? Damn them... making me add more fat calories to my diet than i need>_<

I would assume the manufacturers decrease the amount of saturated and monounsaturated fat found in the fish oil, which means more cost, hence the reason the more EPA/DHA the higher the cost.

How they decrease the amount sat. and mono. fat, I am not sure.

geoffgarcia
09-17-2003, 02:47 PM
Bobby how does that Carlsons stuff taste?

BobbyRS
09-17-2003, 02:52 PM
Pretty good. They have added a natural lemon flavor as an ingredient for better taste then most. I just mix with my shakes and all is good. It even tastes okay by itself. That of course is due to the lemon taste:).

geoffgarcia
09-17-2003, 07:43 PM
any idea how much of these epa/dha's are in salmon?
Chicken of the sea and Bumble Bee make salmon packs that both tout at having 350mg of omega3 per serving, a pack is 3 servings and if you add a whole pack up it equals = 200cal, 35g protein, 5 g of fat range

so would this be ok to eat a pack of every other day? (I'm trying to vary my diet away from chicken/turkey)

or would this skew the n3-n6 ratio that I could get from pills and I would be better off just taking the pills?

geoffgarcia
09-17-2003, 10:47 PM
by the way I have the bottle of udos in front of me now
it says 125cal, 14.5g fat in 1 tbsp
and that contains
6.4g of Omega3
3.2g of Omega6
3g of Omega9

Scott S
09-18-2003, 02:20 AM
What all is in Udo's oil, ingredient-wise? I've heard lots of people praising it.

bradley
09-18-2003, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by geoffgarcia
any idea how much of these epa/dha's are in salmon?
Chicken of the sea and Bumble Bee make salmon packs that both tout at having 350mg of omega3 per serving, a pack is 3 servings and if you add a whole pack up it equals = 200cal, 35g protein, 5 g of fat range

3oz. of Atlantic Salmon contain ~940mg of n-3 fatty acids, as indicated below.

Lipids
Fatty acids, total saturated g 0.474
4:0 g 0.000
6:0 g 0.000
8:0 g 0.000
10:0 g 0.000
12:0 g 0.000
14:0 g 0.089
16:0 g 0.269
18:0 g 0.116
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 0.794
16:1 undifferentiated g 0.132
18:1 undifferentiated g 0.464
20:1 g 0.105
22:1 undifferentiated g 0.093
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 1.150
18:2 undifferentiated g 0.043
18:3 undifferentiated g 0.029
18:4 g 0.076
20:4 undifferentiated g 0.066
20:5 n-3 g 0.356
22:5 n-3 g 0.082
22:6 n-3 g 0.498



so would this be ok to eat a pack of every other day? (I'm trying to vary my diet away from chicken/turkey)


Sure, although on days that you do not eat salmon you can use fish oil to increase the EFA content of your diet.



or would this skew the n3-n6 ratio that I could get from pills and I would be better off just taking the pills?

Eating oily fish, such as salmon, would serve the same purpose as supplementing your diet with n-3 supplements.

bradley
09-18-2003, 04:09 AM
Originally posted by Scott S
What all is in Udo's oil, ingredient-wise? I've heard lots of people praising it.

http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm
"this formula is a 2:1:1 ratio of n-3: n-6: n-9, a combination most therapeutic for the n-3-deficient, n-6-rich diets, as well as 'low' and 'no' fat diets, common today. The Perfected Oil Blend includes oils from fresh flax, sesame and sunflower seeds, as well as oils from evening primrose, rice germ and oat germ."

There is nothing special about Udo's IMO, and you can save a few dollars by just supplementing your diet with fish oil and olive oil, which would have pretty much the same effect. Most people get plenty of n-6 fats through their diet, so I see no real benefit in supplementing with them.

Also Udo's uses n-3 fats derived from flax, which does not convert a significantly into EPA/DHA.