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James.uk
09-28-2003, 06:46 AM
Does anybody drink this on a cutting/bulking diet?

Being a vegetarian I am struggling to get a good amount of protien a day, my snacks and dinners mostly consist of carbs (rice, pasta, bread, fruit) and I don't think I can afford 1 million for 10 scoops of protien powder.

I am cutting at the moment to get rid of my flab, would Dunns River Nurishment be ok to drink? I can't remember the cals, fat etc. but I think it contains quite a bit of fat, but a large amount of protien.

Thanks :)

body
09-28-2003, 07:28 AM
you could go for straight milk as its cheaper.

the dunns stuff is about a 1 pound per can i think.

you can cheap protien online that will work out far cheaper

J450n
09-28-2003, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by James.uk
I don't think I can afford 1 million for 10 scoops of protien powder.

And i thought my protein was expensive... ;)

James.uk
09-28-2003, 07:38 AM
:D

I know nothing about protien supplements, how much would I expect to pay and how many servings would I get. And what is better: 100% whey, designer whey etc.?

TheGimp
09-28-2003, 08:36 AM
How much do you weigh? I'm vegetarian and some days I worry I'm eating too much protein. How about posting your diet? As far as protein powder goes, I don't think there's really a clear winner. Try a particular brand and see if you can stomach it :)

James.uk
09-28-2003, 08:46 AM
I weigh ~165lbs at 6'1".

I don't have a diet that I stick to, I just try to eat a low calorie healthy diet.

What do you eat for protien?

TheGimp
09-28-2003, 08:50 AM
Quorn, lots of quorn :) Other meat substitutes such as tofu and seitan. Protein powder helps a lot, I have it with breakfast, pre and post workout and before bed.

James.uk
09-28-2003, 08:52 AM
Thanks...

I eat a lot of Quorn, but I am getting far from the 165g of protien that Bradley recommended.

J450n
09-28-2003, 08:54 AM
Shop around for a decent protein powder...

James.uk
09-28-2003, 08:57 AM
Can you point out a product on the internet please? I haven't got a clue about what to get.

J450n
09-28-2003, 09:00 AM
hmm.. it isn't easy what with being in the UK... we get ripped off.. as with most things... do a search, there's a few threads on sites to buy it from, should be a few UK sites.. finding a cheap one is that hard part..

James.uk
09-28-2003, 09:02 AM
What about the York stuff in Argos. Is that any good?

Delphi
09-28-2003, 09:04 AM
Drink milk. I didn't catch what kind of vegetarian you are. Do you eat eggs?

James.uk
09-28-2003, 09:07 AM
Yeah, I eat eggs, milk etc.

J450n
09-28-2003, 09:08 AM
It's not too bad.. 32g of protein.. apparently 44 servings each of the 4 tubs, 1 tubs being 330g.. 19.99 - it's not exactly great but it's a start...

James.uk
09-28-2003, 09:20 AM
32g per 330g tub or per serving?

J450n
09-28-2003, 09:22 AM
*32g per serving.. i.e per drink.. 330g's in weight, each tub.


I would have recommended a site i last bought some Whey from but i had a lot of hassle with them, hence me not suggesting one.

I'm on the look out myself for a new 'supplier'.


*Found the catch - when taken with semi-skimmed milk

Trent_Steel
09-28-2003, 09:37 AM
The York stuff in Argos doesnt taste the best and has soy in it, but its still going to make you big, Its also vegetarian so you will be ok with it.

Im also a vegetarian but I eat lots of animal protein in the form of milk and eggs. I drink at least 3 pints of the white stuff every day.

And although protein is expensive, I found the money by giving up alcohol. 20-30 a month is alot less money than what I use to spend going to the pub in a month.

bradley
09-28-2003, 09:39 AM
I would go with a blend of some sort, over 100% whey, since you will be using the protein throughout the day. Although I agree with Delphi, in that you should be able to get in plenty of protein through eggs/egg whites, milk, soy, beans, etc., but a protein powder or MRP is convenient. There were some threads in the supplement section that mentioned supplement suppliers in the UK, and I will see if I can find them.

Trent_Steel
09-28-2003, 09:40 AM
James do you eat Quorn, cos that it a very good source of protein, but it is kinda expensive!

bradley
09-28-2003, 09:42 AM
http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22885&highlight=UK+supplements

James.uk
09-28-2003, 09:42 AM
Thanks.

So you would say it costs about 20 - 30 a month for it? Would that be about 60 servings?

When I get a job (poor college student) I should be able to afford it. But with having a job and going to the gym, I don't know when I will have time to do college work :D

And yes, I eat Quorn but I always find that I have to mix it in with carbs (bread, pasta, rice) and I end up eating more carbs than protien.

Trent_Steel
09-28-2003, 09:46 AM
I know protein is expensive, but the cheapest source I know of is skimmed milk, you can drink at least 3 pints a day for under a quid.

James.uk
09-28-2003, 09:51 AM
Whilst cutting though? And are you sure that isn't bad for you?

Trent_Steel
09-28-2003, 10:00 AM
You need protein or your muscles will disapear. I know what would be good for you, low fat cottage cheese. You can eat load of that and the calorie content is quite low, but it is packed with the right sorts of protein.
Eat at least 500g of low fat cottege cheese a day James and I think you will be on the right track

James.uk
09-28-2003, 10:04 AM
Thanks, I will buy lots of that sort of stuff. But I would still like to try protien powder for a while, but I am still unsure of what to buy and where to buy it from.

My main problem with protien powder is how long it will last. How many grams is 1 serving would you say?

J450n
09-28-2003, 10:07 AM
Depends.. I've got a 5lb tub - 91 servings.. depends on the scoop etc

James.uk
09-28-2003, 11:46 AM
How much did that cost?

JuniorMint6669
09-28-2003, 11:57 AM
Quorn? Seitan? Quid? Anyone else confused? What are these crazy brits talkin about?

James.uk
09-28-2003, 01:12 PM
Haven't got a clue what Seitan or Quid are, but Quorn is a high-protein fungus called mycoprotein.

Trent_Steel
09-28-2003, 01:16 PM
quids a pound!, ya know like those apples is a quid.

James.uk
09-28-2003, 02:16 PM
I knew that, of course :D

Spartacus
09-28-2003, 03:13 PM
a high protein fungus?!?

what does it taste like? i am imagining a cross between soy burgers and mushrooms :vomit:

James.uk
09-28-2003, 03:27 PM
Just tastes like normal meat

Trent_Steel
09-28-2003, 03:35 PM
Whats that taste like, cos I havent had any for 15 years, I gave up when I was 9.

Spartacus
09-28-2003, 03:43 PM
is this pretty common in britain?

James.uk
09-28-2003, 04:09 PM
What? Vegetarianism or Quorn?

I have been a veggie for 10 years.

Spartacus
09-28-2003, 05:01 PM
quorn. im asking because i have never heard of anything like that in the states

James.uk
09-28-2003, 05:30 PM
It is probably the most popular thing for veggies over here. Soy is nothing compared to Quorn, I expect that most veggies over here haven't even heard of soy.

They make all sorts of things out of it, like burgers, sausages, mincemeat, pieces(like chicken pieces) and lots more.

J450n
09-29-2003, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by James.uk
How much did that cost?

29.99

Trent_Steel
09-29-2003, 01:57 AM
thats good value, where from?

TheGimp
09-29-2003, 05:22 PM
I use this blend of whey, caesin and egg white available from holland and barrett:

http://www.hollandandbarrett.co.uk/labels/002131HB.pdf

It's 9.99 for 400g, servings are 21g, 15g of protein. You can buy from h&b online, or depending on where you live there should be a store near you.

James.uk I appreciate the fact that the problem with eating vegetarian sources of protein is that they contain, or you eat them with, carbs. I suppose the key is in the choice of which carbs. For instance, baked beans with quorn burgers, giving you another 18g of protein. I frequently have sandwiches made with quorn slices, the bread I use is called Burgen and contains some soy flour giving each slice 6.3g of high quality protein. Another staple of mine is mung bean noodles, made from a blend of flour and ground mung beans, which are 15g of protein per 100g. And of course whole wheat bread products such as pitta bread and rolls.

Quorn is made from a blend of mycoprotein (closer to mould than fungus), wheat protein, pea protein, milk protein and egg. This makes it a high quality protein with a PDCAA score of 1.0 putting it on a par with caesin, egg and soy protein, and better than red meat. Only whey scores higher. The taste and texture are apparently very realistic, but I wouldn't know :) It is available in the US but only recently, although here in Europe we have been consuming it for many years. Check out http://www.quorn.com/

Seitan is basically pure wheat gluten, eaten as a staple food by Chinese monks, Russian wheat farmers, peasants of South east Asia and Mormons. The texture is also apparently very realistic. One can make it using flour and water. The wheat starch is seperated from the gluten by kneading the flour under running water. Depending on the ratios of wholemeal and white flour that are used, different textures can be achieved. The gluten becomes seitan when it is simmered in a traditional broth containing soy sauce, which makes seitan a complete protein. (Soy has extra lysine to complement the amino acids in wheat).

James.uk
09-29-2003, 05:44 PM
Thanks for your input, Gimp :)

Spartacus
09-29-2003, 08:41 PM
so when you pronounce it do you get it confused with corn?

TheGimp
09-30-2003, 08:02 AM
If I had a quid for everytime that happened Spartacus, I'd be a rich man.

Veggies are also great, especially when cutting. You could make a salad with quorn pieces. In most cases the veggies would add negligible calories, and you'd get fibre and vitamins plus they'd fill you up. Drizzle some olive oil over that and you've also got a source of good fats. Good veggies would be things like brocolli and spinach, green leafy veggies like that are higher in protein. Ones to watch out for would be sweetcorn and peas as they tend to be higher in calories, but still acceptable if you take that into account. You could also add some beans for more protein and fibre.

James.uk
09-30-2003, 11:03 AM
Damn, peas and sweetcorn are my favourite :D

LOL@Spartacus, it is pronounced kworn :)

J450n
09-30-2003, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Trent_Steel
thats good value, where from?

http://www.tmof.co.uk

James.uk
09-30-2003, 04:17 PM
Are they any good? You mentioned you had problems?

Veggie_Mart
09-26-2006, 06:40 AM
Hi everyone My Name is Martin Im from Leicester in the UK, Im 26 Years old been Lacto Ovo Vegetarian Now for 22 years, gave up eating meat in infant school.

I have been training now for 6 years, 4 years seriously and have fluctuated my weight during that time. I too can relate to every single vegetarian in here who wishes to include more protein in their diet, im so amazed that i found this forum it basically has voiced what ive been battling with these last few years.

I am 6ft tall and 14 stone, on a good day benching 90kg (8 reps)

Im currently seeing results and am putting 100% into my training and diet so im gunna list my foods and suppliments ona typical day

When im loading ill eat

Breakfast: 3 scrambled egg/poached egg on toast(24g)
Get to Work: Have a meal Bar from tescos (18g)
11am: Have Dunn River Nurishment Drink (21g)
1pm: Cheese Salad & Pot Noodle/Pot Pasta (30g)
4pm: Multipower Ready made milkshake (50g)

Go to the Gym---------------------------------------
7pm Home Made Blended Milkshake(40g)
8pm Usual Dinner (rice, pasta or quorn)(20g)

That gives me about 1 gram of protein per lb of weight.

I also have invested in some creatine and Amino acid sups which i take daily when im loading.

At the moment in order to gain weight in a noticable fashion / timeframe you have to eat and drink and sleep alot.

Ive tried plenty of things being a vege and would love to get into this vege forum, so if there are any vege newbies out their needing advice or vetran vegies wanna give some feel free, its nice to know im not alone.

Cheers Fellas.

Martz

J450n
09-26-2006, 06:47 AM
Wow, old thread.. and the link i provided is now usless as they went out of business.

Veggie_Mart
09-26-2006, 07:13 AM
Oh Yeah didnt really check the dates, oh well cant hurt to try and get it started again, this thread came up when i searched for the Dunns River drink, Any other decent bodybuilding vegetarian forums

Davidelmo
09-26-2006, 10:25 AM
If you want a good place to buy stuff in the uk:

www.monstersupplements.com

I've ordered several times - cheap, v fast delivery and they often throw in free gifts. My favourite whey is the Reflex Instant Whey. Works out very cheap too.

Holto
09-26-2006, 11:37 AM
DAMN YOU for bumping this thread.

I got all excited thinking Bradley was back.

TheGimp
09-26-2006, 11:59 AM
If you want a good place to buy stuff in the uk:

www.monstersupplements.com

I've ordered several times - cheap, v fast delivery and they often throw in free gifts. My favourite whey is the Reflex Instant Whey. Works out very cheap too.

Another vote for both monstersupplements.com and Reflex brand products here.

Mr_Banger
07-17-2009, 10:48 AM
what about mixing this with whey? would that be ok?


instead of 300ml of milk and 2 spoonfuls of whey what about 300ml of nurishment and 2 spoonfuls of whey?