2 wk PH stint

[JustinASU]

I was looking at those new 4 oz bottles of S1+ at 1fast400 and wondering if a 2 wks on 2 wks off approach would do a damn thing or is that not long enough to achieve keepable gains. Any thoughts?

[bradley]

Many have reported decent gains following a 2 on 2 off approach.

[JustinASU]

but compare that to 4 weeks on, when natty test is completely shut down...?

[bradley]

Originally posted by JustinASU
but compare that to 4 weeks on, when natty test is completely shut down...?

I think it depends on the individual, but you are more likely to see side effects with a 4 week cycle as compared to a 2 week. If you are prone to hair loss, acne, etc. I would chose the two week cycle, over the 4 week cycle.

Sure you will probably see more gains with the 4 week cycle, but if you were to run 2on/2off/2on then run post cycle after the 2nd 2 week cycle I think the gains would be comparable with less side effects.

[fuzz]

2on/2off seems like a very viable option. You have much less risk of sides, and don't shutdown your natural production completely. You will still see some good gains, although I wonder if an oral stack would be better as you will see results much quicker with that. Perhaps 1AD with 4derm from Dermabolics for 2on/2off...?

[JustinASU]

Well I bought 1 bottle of S1+ and I have been using it for 3 days now. Maybe it was placebo but when I used a homebrewed 1-tnt before I was feeling something already. On this, I am not feeling like its doing a thing. How soon can gyno appear with a transdermal whose main ingredient is 4AD?

[bradley]

Originally posted by JustinASU
Well I bought 1 bottle of S1+ and I have been using it for 3 days now. Maybe it was placebo but when I used a homebrewed 1-tnt before I was feeling something already. On this, I am not feeling like its doing a thing.

Are the dosages the same?



How soon can gyno appear with a transdermal whose main ingredient is 4AD?

It would depend on the person and the amount of 4-AD, but I have seen reports of people experiencing itchy nipples within days of starting the cycle. This does not necessarily mean that you are getting gyno, but it could be an indicator. Do you have Nolva on hand?

[JustinASU]

I have 1/2 of a bottle of nolva left from previous gyno suspicions. I just feel like Im freaking myself out in a hypochondriac type way. Here are the stats listed for this S1+:

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 5 Sprays
Servings per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving
1-Testosterone 100 mg*
4-Androstenediol 150 mg*


Other Ingredients:
A 4 ounce bottle of S1+™ contains 3 grams of 1-Testosterone (5a-androst-1-ene-3-one) and 4.5 grams of 4-Androstenediol in a highly bioavailable and sustained release (12 plus hours) topical skin formula.



Before I was using a homebrew acquired through a member of the board that contained I believe 6 gr 1 test and 5 gr 4AD. I applied 7 squirts per application with that one.

[JustinASU]

Anyways I was trying to say that I feel like I'm making my nips seem itchy and sore because Im constantly checking for gyno even after only 3 days of being on the stuff. What should I do?


This is the last time I ever touch PHs.

[bradley]

Originally posted by JustinASU
I have 1/2 of a bottle of nolva left from previous gyno suspicions. I just feel like Im freaking myself out in a hypochondriac type way. Here are the stats listed for this S1+:


If they are not puffy or sensitive then I would not be that concerned, but if it is something that is really bothering you could start on low dose nolva and run it through your cycle. ST might be able to give you more insight, but I think you will know if you start to see symptoms of gyno.



Other Ingredients:
A 4 ounce bottle of S1+ contains 3 grams of 1-Testosterone (5a-androst-1-ene-3-one) and 4.5 grams of 4-Androstenediol in a highly bioavailable and sustained release (12 plus hours) topical skin formula.

Before I was using a homebrew acquired through a member of the board that contained I believe 6 gr 1 test and 5 gr 4AD. I applied 7 squirts per application with that one.

It looks as though the homebrew contained more 1-test/4-AD as compared to the S1+, but I can't say for sure without more information.


Anyways I was trying to say that I feel like I'm making my nips seem itchy and sore because Im constantly checking for gyno even after only 3 days of being on the stuff. What should I do?


This is the last time I ever touch PHs.

If gyno is a concern, I must ask why you are using PHs that can aromatize into estrogen? Why not just stick with 1-test and run it by itself?

[JustinASU]

Bradley, thanks for guiding me through this situation. I decided on the 4AD because I wanted to combat the 1-test side effects. In retospect, it may have been better to do the 1test and deal with the low libido and lethargy for a few weeks rather than the possibility of developing a c cup. Like I said though, Im running this 2 week cycle and quitting PHs for good. I had also heard that it was very rare to get gyno from 4AD even though it aromatizes...