GH surge

[safc23]

Hi wondering if any one can help.
I read in a magazine the other day that you can increase the levels of growth homone in your body by stacking with following but i've never heard of them and dont know where to get them.
-mucuna pruriens ( a legume known as the velvet bean) which contains L- Dopa
-Alpha glycerylphosphorylcholine(alpha GPC) - derived from soya lecithin.
-L-Arginine ( i know this is an amino-acid) so i guess i can buy a supplement with this in.

Can anyone help me and tell me what these are or where i can get them as a few studies have shown that these can help in mucle growth and fat breakdown.
Cheers

[bradley]

While the substances you mentioned above could possibly cause an increase in GH, it is likely to be so small as to not cause any benefit. I would recommend saving your money and purchase more proven supplements.

[safc23]

What kind of supplements do you recommend for an increase in GH??

[safc23]

I read about a supplement which can increase anabolic hormones like testosterone and GH, insulin and IGF-1. This is expenive but is said to increase test.
Any ideas bradley?
Can this be true

[bradley]

Originally posted by safc23
I read about a supplement which can increase anabolic hormones like testosterone and GH, insulin and IGF-1. This is expenive but is said to increase test.
Any ideas bradley?
Can this be true

What is the name of the supplement you are referring to?

Although I am skeptical, due to the fact that if insulin is high, growth hormone output will be low (if I remember correctly). Also systematic IGF-1 is not really that important, rather it is the local IGF-1 secreted in response to muscle damage that is what is beneficial.

[safc23]

The supplement is from ripfast and says that it ia myostatin stack. It is called tsto intelligence stack. Its been advertised in a lot of magazines lately.
An ideas:help:

[bradley]

Originally posted by safc23
The supplement is from ripfast and says that it ia myostatin stack. It is called tsto intelligence stack. Its been advertised in a lot of magazines lately.
An ideas:help:

Save your money:) Especially if it is marketed as a myostatin inhibitor.

Although a list of ingredients would be more helpful, and I could give you a more informed answer.

[safc23]

I've heard that a lot of the ripfast products are overpriced for what they do!!!!
However, would you reccomend taking any testosterone products such as protest or testoboost or testokick or products like them.
Like i posted on the site i have stored fat on my chest (could this be the result of high estrogen levels. If so would testo products be beneficial to me as my training progresses?

[bradley]

Originally posted by safc23
I've heard that a lot of the ripfast products are overpriced for what they do!!!!
However, would you reccomend taking any testosterone products such as protest or testoboost or testokick or products like them.
Like i posted on the site i have stored fat on my chest (could this be the result of high estrogen levels. If so would testo products be beneficial to me as my training progresses?

I am not familiar with many product names, but if you have the ingredients contained in the above mentioned supplements I might be able to offer more advice.

If you have fat on your chest then it is more than likely due to a higher bf%, and the best remedy would be to decrease your overall bf%.

If the fat is located around your nipples, then this might be caused by an increased amount of estrogen (gynecomastia). Is the tissue hard (lumps) or is it just fat located at around the base of your chest? What is your overall bf%? How old are you? This information would be quite helpful.

[safc23]

The fat in my chest is on the bottom of my chest. Its not really hard lumps but on the nipple its stretches across. Im 23 and my BF % is about 16.

In regards to the products i mentioned they contain the following (i dont really know much about them but am looking to find out a whole lot more to increase my knowledge over next few months)
Testokick - ZMA - 520 mg/ 120 mg beta-ecdysterone / 1000mg tribulus terrestis.

Protest - tribulus terrestis extract 750mg / 3,3' dimdolymethene 60mg / tricalcium phosphate 41 mg

Is it worth taking products to increase testosterone and if so how much is needed to make a difference as i know you have to cycle so you dont mess to much with your body.
Hope you can help
Cheers

[bradley]

Originally posted by safc23
The fat in my chest is on the bottom of my chest. Its not really hard lumps but on the nipple its stretches across. Im 23 and my BF % is about 16.

From the limited information that I have, I think decreasing overall bf would be the best course of action. If you are at 16% bf, you probably should expect some fat in the pectoral region.


In regards to the products i mentioned they contain the following (i dont really know much about them but am looking to find out a whole lot more to increase my knowledge over next few months)
Testokick - ZMA - 520 mg/ 120 mg beta-ecdysterone / 1000mg tribulus terrestis.

ZMA might be beneficial if you are defecient in zinc or magnesium, but otherwise I doubt you are going to see much benefit. Zinc and magnesium can be purchased seperately at a much lower cost than when combined in a ZMA supplement. If you are taking a good multi I would not worry with the B6 which is the other ingredient contained in ZMA.

Bete-ecdysterone is not worth the money IMO, and I have not seen anything that has shown it to be beneficial.

Tribulus would help increase libido, but I have not seen any studies showing that it increases testosterone levels.


Protest - tribulus terrestis extract 750mg / 3,3' dimdolymethene 60mg / tricalcium phosphate 41 mg

3,3-Diindolylmethane is a phytonutrient that is found in some vegetables and is supposedly supposed to improve estrogen metabolism, although bioavailabolity can be an issue. Does not seem to be a worthwhile supplement, especially if it is rather expensive.

[safc23]

Thanks for the help bradley.
Do you think It would be a waste of time to take something like hydroxycut to decrease BF while i am trying to put on some bulk

[bradley]

I would not use a thermogenic supplement when trying to increase LBM, unless you are using it as a pre-workout stimulant. I doubt it will have any significant effect, and too much caffeine can be counter productive when trying to increase LBM.

If you are concerned about the fat in your pectoral region, why not cut first and then bulk? You would probably see better results bulking from a lower bf% (better ratio of LBM to fat gain).

[safc23]

Would you reccomend increasidoing HIT training then.
My current training programme looks like this.
Monday - Chest and Back
Tuesday - Boxing circuit
Wednesday - Shoulders and legs
Thursday - Boxing circuit
Friday - Bis and tris

Should i do 20 mins HIT after my weights sessions
Would you recommend taking protein and carb shakes pre and post workout still!!!!
By the way Cheers for your help. This site is definatly expanding my knowledge and helping me to know which ways to go in my training!!
Thanks

[bradley]

Originally posted by safc23
Would you reccomend increasidoing HIT training then.
My current training programme looks like this.
Monday - Chest and Back
Tuesday - Boxing circuit
Wednesday - Shoulders and legs
Thursday - Boxing circuit
Friday - Bis and tris

Should i do 20 mins HIT after my weights sessions
Would you recommend taking protein and carb shakes pre and post workout still!!!!
By the way Cheers for your help. This site is definatly expanding my knowledge and helping me to know which ways to go in my training!!
Thanks

Are you still trying to increase LBM?

[safc23]

I definatly want to increase LBM but you recommend cutting before bulking so should i continue this programme but increase cardio and still take shakes .
Sorry got a bit confused!!

[HORNEDFROGS07]

Originally posted by safc23
The supplement is from ripfast and says that it ia myostatin stack. It is called tsto intelligence stack. Its been advertised in a lot of magazines lately.
An ideas:help:

I wouldn't trust anything advertised as much as those things have been lately, especially not with a sales gimmick like that whole hulk thing. Plus, Myostatin inhibitors, in the currently sold form, do very, very little in helping to build muscle. You need to directly target the enzyme for myostatin inhibition to be effective. There was a pretty good article on this in the newest issue of MD, if I recall correctly.

[bradley]

Originally posted by safc23
Should i do 20 mins HIT after my weights sessions


If possible I would recommend performing HIIT cardio on your off days, or perform the HIIT sessions after your training sessions.


Would you reccomend increasidoing HIT training then.
My current training programme looks like this.
Monday - Chest and Back
Tuesday - Boxing circuit
Wednesday - Shoulders and legs
Thursday - Boxing circuit
Friday - Bis and tris

I would stick with the above routine, assuming it has been working , and let the boxing circuit be your cardio for the week. If you wanted you could add another HIIT session on Saturday or Sunday, but I would base this on how I felt after the training sessions during the week.

Instead of performing chest and back on the same day, what about something similar to what I listed below.

Monday- Legs
Tuesday- Boxing
Wednesday- Chest/shoulders/tris
Thursday-Boxing
Friday-back/traps/bis


Would you recommend taking protein and carb shakes pre and post workout still!!!!

Yes, although you would need to decrease calories from other meals, so as to create a caloric deficit.

[safc23]

Thanks that sounds good.
I've always thought about bulking before cutting. But i guess cutting befor wanting to add bulk and muscle mass could probably prove beneficial to me.
So i could keep the protein and carbs in but decrease calories from my other meals including carbs etc... to burn more than i consume. The other problem i have allways been worried about is doing too much cardio so as i dont make muscle gains.
I sometimes feel too bloated after consuming a lot of carbs anyway which makes me feel letharic!!!!!
Sorry i may sound thick but a lot of this is quite new to me and im beginning to realise about caloric defecits etc..

[bradley]

Originally posted by safc23
So i could keep the protein and carbs in but decrease calories from my other meals including carbs etc... to burn more than i consume.

Yes, since training will increase nutrient partitioning. Basically this will help in making sure the nutrients are going to the muscles and away from fat.


The other problem i have allways been worried about is doing too much cardio so as i dont make muscle gains.

If this is the case you might think about decreasing the cardio and then adding it back in slowly. Decreasing calories while increasing cardio can be a recipe for muscle catabolism. You want to adjust one variable at a time, either cardio or calorie intake.

[safc23]

So if i kept my calories roughly the same and added one extra HIT session in this would keep me in n anabolic state and not eat away at my hard earned muscle ( i know you dont know how many cals i consume daily).
Also would you reccomend in that case taking any supplements to help me cut and decrease my overall BF % such as hydroxycut or xenadrine or similar supplements. As i am intesreting in supplementing ith others as at the mo i only use protein / carbs and creatine, but obviously like everyone else dont want to waste money.
Cheers!

[bradley]

Originally posted by safc23
So if i kept my calories roughly the same and added one extra HIT session in this would keep me in n anabolic state and not eat away at my hard earned muscle ( i know you dont know how many cals i consume daily).

While this would work, since you would still be in a calorie deficit, I think you would be better served creating a small calorie deficit through your diet and then increasing this deficit through cardio/training.


Also would you reccomend in that case taking any supplements to help me cut and decrease my overall BF % such as hydroxycut or xenadrine or similar supplements. As i am intesreted in supplementing with others as at the mo i only use protein / carbs and creatine, but obviously like everyone else dont want to waste money.
Cheers!

Thermogenic supplements can be beneficial, but I would stick to the ones that contain some form of ephedrine, synephrine, etc. in conjunction with caffeine. Assuming you do not have issues with ephedrine/ephedra (prostate, blood pressure, etc.). Basically I think thermos are useful when cutting, but this would also depend on what the product contains.

[safc23]

I understand that the new hydroxycut no longer contains ephedrine. So would it be a waste of time of time buying this. What other products could i buy in the UK that would be beneficial

[bradley]

Originally posted by safc23
I understand that the new hydroxycut no longer contains ephedrine. So would it be a waste of time of time buying this. What other products could i buy in the UK that would be beneficial

Might try something like SAN's Tight.

[safc23]

Thanks bradley.
I was wondering if it would be best to change my routine while i am cutting.
Just like the one you mentioned earlier!!
If i do legs on a monday would you recommend doing 20 mins HIT at the end of the session. But would this put me in a catabolic state.
Would it not be too much doing chest/ shou;ders and tris on the same day.
AnyadAny advice

[safc23]

Thanks bradley.
I was wondering if it would be best to change my routine while i am cutting.
Just like the one you mentioned earlier!!
If i do legs on a monday would you recommend doing 20 mins HIT at the end of the session. But would this put me in a catabolic state.
Would it not be too much doing chest/ shou;ders and tris on the same day.
Any advice

[Holto]

if you are at 16% I definitely agree you want to cut first

as per above, any workout becomes catabolic from 45 minutes on and generally sessions should be no longer than 1HR

[safc23]

Thanks.
If i am cutting but dont want to loose mass would you recommend the 20 mins HIT after legs.
My legs workout only lasts approx 30 mins any way.

[bradley]

Originally posted by safc23
If i do legs on a monday would you recommend doing 20 mins HIT at the end of the session. But would this put me in a catabolic state.

I would probably not perform HIIT cardio after an intense leg session, since your legs will be fatigued from the training session. If you are keeping your intensity level high, I would think this would decrease your performance if you were to go straight into a HIIT cardio session.

Technically you will be in a catabolic state when training, so performing HIIT will just prolong your current catabolic state.


Would it not be too much doing chest/ shou;ders and tris on the same day.

That would be fine, just make sure to keep your overall volume at a reasonable level.

[safc23]

I am training shoulders/chest and tri's today but want to know which would be best order to train so i dont fatigue too early.
My chest is lagging so should i do chest then shoulders then tris os shoulders then chest.
Any ideas

[bradley]

I agree that you should hit the lagging bp first (chest), then shoulders, and throw in a few sets for triceps. Just keep in mind that the tris will get some work when performing compound movements for the shoulders and chest (i.e. shoulder press, bench press, etc.).