what do u all think

[Heartless]

what do u all tink of Anadur...ive read up on it and it seems extremely safe and relatively effective... does neone have experience or any comments on it?

[Heartless]

bump????

[BCC]

Not sure what you're talking about here...never heard of Anadur.

[thetopdog]

Maybe you're talking about Anavar? I'm not an expert but from what I've heard it's very mild with regards androgenic side effects but it's really hard on cholesterol or blood lipids or the liver or something along those lines

[smalls]

Sounds like you are talking about anavar. It is hard on cholesterol levels and the liver, although not terrible. It's very mild with regards to androgenic side effects AND results (vs price). Its pretty damn expensive, so IMO you would be better off with a low dose test cycle with and aromatase inhibitor and proscar. PCT after obviously. People have used anavar with good results but it depends on your goals and your wallet.
How old are you? What is your lifting and diet history etc.

[Heartless]

16 lifting for like 2 1/2 years diet - bulking (tuna, wheat bread, natty peanutbutter, lots of chicken, steak, oatmeal, eggs, whole milk, etc.)

[smalls]

Damn, that was fast. You are far too young to be worrying about steroids. I'm sure that with some tweaking in diet and routine you could make steroid like gains at your age. Whats your routine like, how many calories are you getting and what are your goals.

[Heartless]

routine....well i seem to like to do full body workouts every other day...i get the most out of that...but if someone could offer a workout that seperates the muscle groups up better and can offer more for me than thad be great...

[Heartless]

o and by the way here is a link to the steroid i am considering... http://www.steroidtips.com/anadur.htm

[smalls]

Well I guess that shows my ignorance. Ok well the drug is a nandralone which I wouldnt suggest, especially for a first cycle. But as stated above you have plenty of growing to do naturall my friend.
Check out the wannabebig.com homepage and the wannabebig routines set up by maki, they will break up bodyparts more effectively than you currently have. Also you should be reading the bodybuilding and diet section of the forums.

[Severed Ties]

Your 16, you should not even be considering using anabolic steroids.

No androgen is safe at your age.

ST

[Bigwhiteboy123]

dont do it your way to young.... im 18 and i regret what i did... i had so much more natural potential.... build a base for a couple of more years then build a bigger base with AS if your not happy ;)

[Heartless]

ok ... well ill take ur input to heart and try to stick it out doing things naturally but the competition is ruff in my schoool because of anabolics... Alot of the athletes are on em and it is hard to be an athlete and compete if u dont do em... just say i did do it... wat would u suggest in all honesty if i HAD to do it... alot of kids here are fond of deca...

[Heartless]

o and by the way...kids like deca cause it doesnt seem to make hair go away and things like that or make ur dick shrink or make u die...supposedly kids say it has the least side effects...

[BCC]

You're 16 man, if you're not going to make a career out of it and get paid, just get the notion out of your head.

Those kids may like deca now, but just wait until they begin running into complications. It may have the least 'on cycle' side effects, but post cycle is where most of the problems surface.

Really, just stay away from the ****, they and you have no business using these compounds. Honestly, if you worked your ass off to an extreme extent naturally, you could be very competitive with them naturally. I guarantee none of them are getting the full potential out of their gear. More likely using it as a crutch.

I'm not going to say genetics can't be overcome with hard work, but if you don't have those top 90 percentile genetics which may take you to the top, then just get the idea of anabolics out of your head until you're well educated and into your 20s.

[Big J]

You dont HAVE to do anything but die & pay taxes...

So I dont wanna hear "I have to do it".

Wait until you're outta high school & into your 20s.

[Heartless]

ok ok i understand ur concern...but like i patiently and curteously asked...which has the least side effects?

[geoffgarcia]

ditto, if you dont have enough talent to make it d1 without drugs then dont bother....(even if you do I'd still be against them)

[Big J]

Originally posted by Heartless
ok ok i understand ur concern...but like i patiently and curteously asked...which has the least side effects?

Testosterone Enanthate or Test Cyp will most probably be the safest steriods to use for a first cycle. You may also wanna look into EQ. I've heard good things about it, & it will be a big part of my next cycle which I'm startin up Monday...

[Heartless]

thank u so much....i may be getting a prescription for deca tho...not sure yet

[smalls]

Did hear even read what everyone ****ing wrote. How bout you do some research on this site about deca, anavar, testosterone, eq, dbol and make an educated decision. Since its clear your not going to listen to good advice.

[JUSBU]

You really need to think about what you're doing b4 you make such a rash decision.

[Heartless]

actualy guys i have ive been surfing the net about this for like 2 months researching this ****...my one friend even had a good amount of deca ready for me and i denied it cuz i wanted to do more research...im thinking about doing it but im not sure yet...plz do me the favor and treat me like a human and not a moron

[smalls]

Sorry for the harsh post bro, but it just sounded like you disregarded all the info that was given you. There are plenty of people on this site who researched for a year or more before taking that step.
I'm impressed that you turned down deca when it was so easily accesible, but you really are too young to be messing with these compounds. Do research for a few more years, then if your ready make that step then.

[Heartless]

i understand ur concern but it aint like that in my school...everyone is juicin' so competition in sports is extremely difficult....

[geoffgarcia]

Heartless,
what county are you in?
public or private?
what group 1-4?
Just curious from being a fellow Jerzy-n

I know there are tons that use gear in parachoial/private schools, but didn't think it was as rampant in the public schools (at least not out in the willy-whacks where I grew up)

[BCC]

Originally posted by Heartless
actualy guys i have ive been surfing the net about this for like 2 months researching this ****...my one friend even had a good amount of deca ready for me and i denied it cuz i wanted to do more research...im thinking about doing it but im not sure yet...plz do me the favor and treat me like a human and not a moron

No offense, but you are a moron.

You've gotten opinions from everyone here, all swaying the same way. Deca is a horrible compound for a beginner, especially used alone. You are too young and have only done 'like 2 months' of research.

I researched the stuff for a good 2 years before ever touching it. If you want to go ahead and **** yourself up, you now have your fair warning from everyone. So be my guest.

If it's the only way you're going to make the little highschool football team and that's more important than your well being, then have at it!

[Scott S]

:withstupi

HS football is not worth doing steroids at your age.

[Heartless]

newark newjersey public why is deca such a bad compound...this is what seems to be the most widely used...

[BodiezByDesign]

heartless you are very young and at a developmental age physically, their is no way of knowing what steroids might do to your body and nothing is worth that risk. Give it five years or so then reconsider.

[geoffgarcia]

ahhh yes, newark NJ.... I can imagine their being stiff competition at schools surrounding NYC.
How many kids are in ur highschool?

[galileo]

Deca is bad.
1. Lots of people get heavily suppressed from deca cycles. This can cause them to lose the ability to recover natural test production. This will cause them to go back on deca because they lose all of their gains (and then some). This will cause them to become "lifers." This will further the myth that one will lose all of their gains after the steroid cycle ends.
2. Deca dick.

The end.

[Heartless]

question number 1... what is deca dick... and question two ... what is a better steroid to take at a young age...cuz i researched deca up ALOT and i thought this fit the best.... i guess im wrong :(... also i dont know the exact number of kids in my school but u are correct wit the competition part...lots of kids want to get out of this section of new jersey by making it in a sport...

[smalls]

Test would be better, anavar would be better, EQ would be better. But given your current status being as dedicated as most of the people on this site would be better.

I'm not being rude in anyway, but if you resemble the huge number of high school athletes I know that juice or want to juice you could honestly attain similar gains by refining your diet and your training. I promise you, you can be progressing naturally better than you currently are.

[Heartless]

ok guys ive done alot more research and can see what ur saying about juicing.... ive found that it could even stop bone growth in teenagers which definately doesnt sound appealing.... i have found one drug that has got me interested tho.... its called anavar... it seems like a lesser degree steroid wit less gains but also less effects on the body... its generally safe and used in children.. ne info on this?

[Replicator 3.0]

http://www.steroidtips.com/anavar.htm

I must agree with the majority here. A good workout routine and diet plan can go a LONG way in making gains. If you want to take something to help you, Creatine is a good supplement and is fairly cheap. Best of all, it has no side effects except maybe for the occasional digestive problem like stomach cramps.

Sure it's not a drug, but it's proven effective and won't cause irreversible harm to your body.

[Heartless]

ok guys u can stop ****ing saying change ur diet and routine ... cuz i have the best weight lifting diet taht i have been doing forever and my routine is what i must do for my team pamphlet... its getting annoying, u cant change my diet cuz there is nothing i can do to it to make it better for bulking and my routine is mandatory and good as it is neway

[AstronautJones]

Post your diet, let us decide if "there is nothing you can do to it to make it better for bulking".

[Scott S]

BTW, how exactly are steroids making everyone "more competitive" than you?

[smalls]

LOL@your diet being perfect for bulking. Are you even ****ing gaining weight? Your obviously going to do it, so do some damn research on this board and others about anavar. No one wants to be responsible for spoonfeeding you the answer.

[carl]

Your crazy as hell heartless, even if you did gear at your age and made great gains, just think your ligaments in your KNEES!...or ELBOWS...can i hear a thing called...Ah! **** im out for my career with a blown out knee cause i juiced and juicing doesnt make your ligaments develop any faster. I bet there is alot of injuries in your school if roids are everywhere. If you were to blow out your knee then what are you to do. Your body natural test levels will never be the same and very underdeveloped because you juiced so early. Now what happens, you cant play football (your dream of going D1 is gone) and your going to be out of the weight room for some time losing all your gains, and when you go back to train your going to be opted to start juicing again leaving you in a bigger rut then where you started. Just a thought.

-carl