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littleman69
09-18-2001, 01:45 PM
http://body_insp.tripod.com

It's me, just that now I have a slighter bulge on the handles. Forearms have one or two veins. Those are all visible changes i can see right now.

That's right, I got handles now. In school I get comments like oh that kid is surely pure fat. I mean the fat makes him look big, he's got no muscle. WTF! This gets me so pissed. Just because I got handles my chest, lats and arms are fat? And no one can see that I can squat 250lbs ATF x6, so now, I'm pissed, and I am cutting.

Please, considering I am still 16, give me the MAXIMUM fat loss training I can perform while losing minimal muscle. Can I do more cardio than normal, if I keep my protein higher than 1g per pound and considering I have high nat. test levels?

I will be dieting (AMR - 500 ) following a 40-30-30. DIet is fine

littleman69
09-18-2001, 01:48 PM
oh yeah, and I weigh 180lbs now (10lbs heavier). ALl bodyparts improved about half an inch, but other than the veins nothing visible, so no new pics.

syntekz
09-18-2001, 02:17 PM
Hrmm.. no comments. Just something that after many times of trying to diet I have figured out. I'm only 18, and I will have worked out for a year in two months.

A suggestion, forget the dieting, forget worrying about percents this and percents that. Instead just eat when you are hungry ( which is about every 2 hours for me anyway ) and eat clean. Just keep track of what you've eaten and how much in your head.

You can figure out that if you eat this much protein and carbs for each meal; it will equal to this much totaly/per day. Just do that; you don't need to get on a strict diet. Instead concetrate on getting stronger, getting bigger, and growing.

Just something I'm going to live by for a few years. Maybe after 2 - 3 years I'll worry about dieting. But, for now, I'm just going to eat to grow. I wouldn't say I'm bulking, but I'm not cutting up either. I'm just keeping my body satisfied.

littleman69
09-18-2001, 02:19 PM
No , I want to cut bro, sorry. All the way.

Kazuki
09-18-2001, 02:28 PM
I wanna be perfectly honest...

What are you cutting to show off, exactly?

Kazuki
09-18-2001, 02:30 PM
To further add, my good bro had a little pudge when he first started. Weighed 145 or something. I can't remember. Shot up to 175, and is now (I think) 164-165, in the single digit BF.

littleman69
09-19-2001, 12:04 AM
well im cutting to show myself the work i have. really i've always been fat, and had a six pack for what seems to be 2 weeks once. never lasted. I want to get cut. I hate walking down the street with a little gut. it looks pathetic. not to show off, it's not like im going to go down the street without a shirt on bro. it's just that being lean is my only goal now.

Cackerot69
09-19-2001, 12:57 AM
Stop acting like a little badass and bulk.

YatesNightBlade
09-19-2001, 02:15 AM
Train Hard (balls to the wall), eat clean and perform some cardio and you'll be big AND in shape.

littleman69
09-19-2001, 08:23 AM
ok please, respect my opinion here. everyone here is trying to get me to not cut as if i were planning on juicing like cack was. please, take my question seriously and answer it. i will cut, and i will not bulk. once i cut, ill bulk. the fat has gotten to the point where i am very uncomfortable with it. please, view from it my side. ever been really uncomfortable with how fat you got? well, please, answer the question!

Kazuki
09-19-2001, 08:28 AM
Yes.

I was 24% bodyfat after the first time I bulked. I started at 125 lbs.

Mmmpphmmm good doughnut! Like Yates said, eat clean, train hard, do some cardio... just let things glide. The more you think about this sh*t the more it's going to confuse your goals and discourage you littleman.

STOP THINKING. (Hopefully you've got the basics)
JUST DO IT!

syntekz
09-19-2001, 08:46 AM
Workout, and the ones you want will come and the ones you don't want will go.

You workout, you will gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. The muscle fibers will "come" and fatty cells will "go."

Just by training hard and gaining muscle you will lost bodyfat. Trust all of us.

littleman69
09-20-2001, 10:01 AM
i've been training for a while, and i don't lean out while "working out" because I always bulk with around 3500-4000 cals and I put on fat ! Didnt lean out for ****. OK, Im on a 403030, and I want to cut, and I was wondering whether I could do more cardio than normal?

THis is what I do

morning
wake up, 30 mins cardio
wait 60mins to eat

evenings:
workout, 20mins cardio, immediately, have post workout meal.
on non training days, 45 mins cardio, wait 60mins prior to normal meal (not post workout).

With school it's hard as hell to wake up in the morning and I really hate it. So I've been cutting since Sunday, and I haven't been able to do the morning cardio. SO< i was wondering , when I do get to start it, I will have in total around 125 mins of cardio daily on non training days moderate intensity. Can I up it a bit more (i do have the will). WIth my hormone levels, isn't it safe to do such "catabolic" activities for so long?

KryptoAllez
09-20-2001, 10:22 AM
Okay, some questions first and I'll try to help.

What is your diet like right now since you have been trying to lose fat? It may be a matter of you eating the wrong foods. Tell me what foods you are eating at each of your six meals.

Second, how many days a week are you doing cardio and are you maintaining your current weight with your current cardio schedule and diet?

I am on a cutting diet myself and have been trying some different things to get rid of my body fat so I may be able to offer some suggestions.

littleman69
09-20-2001, 10:51 AM
no , i am not complaining about not losing fat. i know how to do it and i have done it before. im on a 40-30-30, 6 meals a day ,210 protein and obviously the carbs and fats fit the ratio. i want to know how much cardio can I do while preventing muscle loss

syntekz
09-20-2001, 11:02 AM
You don't need to touch any cardio equipment. Just tweak your diet and strip the fat.

beercan
09-20-2001, 11:44 AM
You've got to be kidding me.

Next time you hear people making jealous comments, you can be pretty sure they're directed at the guy walking behind you.

You don't even look like you workout.

If you don't want this kind of reply, please don't make absurd posts suggesting people are jealous of your "phisique"

Kazuki
09-20-2001, 11:53 AM
I'm starting to like this beercan guy...

He's honest, right to the point. :D

Chris Rodgers
09-20-2001, 11:55 AM
:eek:

Gyno Rhino
09-20-2001, 12:32 PM
:eek: :evillaugh tuttut

KryptoAllez
09-20-2001, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by littleman69
no , i am not complaining about not losing fat. i know how to do it and i have done it before. im on a 40-30-30, 6 meals a day ,210 protein and obviously the carbs and fats fit the ratio. i want to know how much cardio can I do while preventing muscle loss

That is very dependent on the individual and you will probably have to experiment for yourself to see what works for you. Generally speaking for example, mesomorphs will be able to hold the muscle much better than an ectomorph. Personally I can do a ton of cardio without any muscle loss. I'm a speed skater and do lots of other cardio machines as well but people still consider me "thick". People can offer you suggestions but when it comes down to it, it's a matter of finding what works best for you. Sorry I wasn't very helpful before.

Gyno Rhino
09-20-2001, 12:36 PM
I do no cardio and I'm thick as hell (around the waist). I think my measurements are like 32-86-12 now.

KryptoAllez
09-20-2001, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Gyno Rhino
I do no cardio and I'm thick as hell (around the waist). I think my measurements are like 32-86-12 now.

LMAO!

littleman69
09-20-2001, 01:14 PM
that's cool beercan. don't look like I workout? maybe cuz Im only 16 . I want to know what you looked like when you were 16. You have no idea how much effort I've put into my training because I COMPLETELY transformed my skinny fat ass into what I am now. But really, you don't need to put me down by giving me **** like that. I will keep on growing and I will take what kazuki gave as advice, ill just ignore **** from fucks like you that have nothing good to say. go bash someone else man, cuz your bashing doesn't get you anywhere with me and really is not going to make me feel bad or much less make me give up. is that what you were trying to do?

littleman69
09-20-2001, 01:25 PM
now, the degrading comments aside please, someone , please give me some more input on this topic.

Gyno Rhino
09-20-2001, 01:26 PM
Don't cut.

littleman69
09-20-2001, 01:30 PM
*KICKS THE ******* MONITOR*
I WILL CUT I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK !!! RESPECT MY OPINION CMON, I HAVE MY BODY AND I WANT TO CUT. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND BULK IF YOU WANT, BUT I WANT TO CUT AND I AM ASKING A CUTTING QUESTION AND I WOULD (PLEASE) LIKE IT TO BE ANSWERED WITHOUT HAVING 80% OF THE REPLYS TELLING ME TO DO OTHERWISE.

Chris Rodgers
09-20-2001, 01:35 PM
Hmmm, are you saying you want to cut? I don't get the question? :confused:

Gyno Rhino
09-20-2001, 01:37 PM
If 80% of the people tell you that their opinion is that you should NOT CUT, and if 90% of these people are bigger and more experienced than you, don't you think you oughta at least consider some of the things they say?? I won't give you any advice about cutting, because next week you'll post a thread saying how you're "tired of cutting, i'm gonna BULK!". Get a program, get some goals, and STICK WITH IT. You only get where you wanna be through hard work. Set a plan out and adhere to it. Dont change your mind because one day you think you look a little fat. Last night I weighed in at 226, I felt fat and bloated.. I thought, "Maybe I should cut now.." But I knew that tomorrow morning my weight would be where it should be, my body would be where it should be, and I had goals I wanted to accomplish. When you get sound advice from people, HOW DARE you sit there and lecture them because it's not exactly what you wanted to hear. YOU AREN'T TOO FAT. YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MUSCLE. GAIN SOME MUSCLE. YOU LOOK SOFT AND FAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE MUSCLE. There's my advice. You like it? Probably not. If you don't, okay, someone else will give you some other advice. But that's my opinion. You asked for everyone's opinion, don't bitch when you get it.

littleman69
09-20-2001, 01:43 PM
gyno , i respect your opinion and is what i would ideally do. You have to realize I have transformed my skinny fat ass physique into what you see now. It's a huge improvement for me, and I think I have a lot of muscle, simply because I have never seen an ounce on my, and now I have added quite a lot to a nonexistant physique. I have reached my goals. I never changed them. this is the first time I do . Remember the bulking thread? it said my goal was 180lbs. Here I am, 180lbs. Reached it? yes. Satisfied? no. My goals change as I reach them, and now my goal is to cut. You have to realize that I CRAVE a six pack. I really do. I have never been lean bro. EVER. My whole life I was called fat and even in middle school I was called a chode (short and fat). I have lots of time in my life to bulk. But at my age being lean and ok muscular wise (IMO) is much better than being big and fat at the same time. I mean I want to be able to sit down on a couch without having a bulge of lower ab fat. I hate that so much and all my life I've had that. For once, I would like to have a six pack in its place. I realize that if i am that i will cut and then Ill be big and cut, but I want to go the other way. I want a six pack so bad bro, care to help me out?

Chris Rodgers
09-20-2001, 01:45 PM
Eat clean. Keep lifting heavy. Do a little cardio if you wish. Drink tons of water. Do tall these consistently.


Easy enough??

Gyno Rhino
09-20-2001, 01:48 PM
That's actually a decent post. Pathos, or whatever that **** is called..

Start with 3000 cals a day.
40/30/30 is good.
Lift 3-4 times a week.
Do cardio 0-2 times a week MAX (preferably none).

If your weight keeps going up, drop the cals by 500. If it goes down at a decent rate, keep with it for a couple weeks then drop cals by 250 or so. If your weight plummets, raise calories by 250.

What else you need?

littleman69
09-20-2001, 01:53 PM
Well i had understood that I should find my active metabolic rate, and i clicked that i exercised 3-4 x a week, and the equation gave me 2800. So I subtract 500 from that ,and that is what I would eat. So 2300. Currently I eat 1700 because I think this will cut me faster, but to prevent muscle loss I would continue weights, and would keep protein higher than 1g per pound, and considering my age i think this is probably ok. is my line of thought correct? I mean I saw the fat fast diet on tmag and this guy DRASTICALLY dropped his cals, so Im wondering how much you can lower them.

Gyno Rhino
09-20-2001, 01:54 PM
That will not be okay. You will lose muscle mass very quickly at 1700cals a day and weights and cardio. Start at 3000 or 2750 and work from there.

littleman69
09-20-2001, 01:58 PM
Check out my diet

60mins cardio
wait 60 mins, then eat meal 1

meal 1

2 eggs, 1 white
2 ww breads



meal 2
200g tuna (45gP)
1 tbsp mayo
2 ww breads



meal 3
20-30g carbs from fruits (if training days)
25g P from whey (skip fruits if non training


TRAIN wiht either 45 mins cardio, then wait 60mins or train, do 20mins of cardio, and immediately eat


meal 4 (post workout) (if training days; skip if not)
35g carbs from maltodextrin
25g protein from whey


meal 5
2 chicken breasts fried in 1 tbsp oil
2 tbsp olive oil, some vinegar, and some salad.


meal 6-
200g
tuna
1tbsp mayo.




Check this caloric analysis. It does not include my maltodextrin or my whey. There are 3.6 tuna cans (1.2cans = 200g) and I put 3.6 cans but in reality I eat 2.4, because I was too lazy to type in 2 chicken breasts. It should be about the same though.

Caloric needs = 2397 and 2000 non training days

Nutrient Analysis Tool - Analyze Food
Nutri Total Rec. %Rec.
-----------+--------+------+------
Calories 1771 3000 59.03%
Pro (g) 202.97 59 344.02%
Fat (g) 68.07 100 68.07%
Carb (g) 82.26 -- --


Food 1-MAYON TYPE SAL DRESS (04018)-2:1 tbsp
Food 2-LTTNA-CN-WTR-DRN-UNS (15184)-3.6:1 CAN
Food 3-EGG-CHICKEN-WHL-RW (01123)-2:1 LRG EGG
Food 4-EGG-CHICK-WHT-RAW (01124)-1:1 LRG EGG WHITE
Food 5-BANANA-RAW (09040)-118:1 g
Food 6-BRD;WHL-WHT-COMM (18075)-4:1
Food 7-OIL-VEG-OLIVE (04053)-3:1 tbsp

Nutri Food 1 Food 2 Food 3 Food 4 Food 5 Food 6 Food 7
-----------+--------+--------+--------+--------+--------+--------+--------
Calories 114.58 778.14 149 16.7 108.56 246 358.02
Pro (g) 0.26 175.82 12.5 3.51 1.18 9.7 0
Fat (g) 9.81 2.97 10 0 0.59 4.2 40.5
Carb (g) 7.02 0 1.2 0.33 27.61 46.1 0





ALL ADVICE APPRECIATED.

littleman69
09-20-2001, 02:00 PM
I could add 2 tbsp of peanut butter (380 cals ) or 200g cottage cheese.

What to add? (im a student so dont give me any supps or mrps)

Avatar
09-20-2001, 02:01 PM
damn all that analytical bullsh*t was confusing. lol.

go post your diet in the nutrition section.

littleman69
09-20-2001, 02:17 PM
lets just keep it here until the mods move it, so gyno will reply. i want his answer.

littleman69
09-20-2001, 02:18 PM
ok so i replaced the tuna can with mayo at night for a 200g of cottage cheese (178 cals, 4g carbs) and 2 tbsp pb.

THis adds up to 2180cals. Is this fine.

Gyno Rhino
09-20-2001, 06:03 PM
Look, anything under 2500 is gonna cost you muscle unless your activity level is that of a slug. Start with 2500 MIN, then go from there. A pound a week is all I'd be safe with, if that. Anything more than that and you'll be sacrificing too much muscle.

littleman69
09-20-2001, 11:38 PM
why is this? i thought it was commonly accepted to lower 500 from your amr, so if i have 2800, 2300 should be good for fat loss, and muscle loss wouldnt occur since protein is higher than 1g per pound and I m weight training. Is my line of thought correct? I also heard that 1-2lbs a week is acceptable after initial water loss.

Gyno Rhino
09-21-2001, 10:57 AM
Try what you want to try. That's the only way you'll figure out what works.