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shootermcgavin7
01-25-2004, 08:27 PM
But it is something that works very well for me. I've tried cutting on both a "balanced diet", as well as a CKD. Even though my metabolism is extremely high, I've always done much better on the CKD. I have burned more fat and preserved more muscle.

I'm 215, about 15%; I'm planning on cutting to around 8% (around 195 or so, assuming I don't lose much muscle); running the cut for 8 weeks, taking a 3 week break to fix my metabolism, then running another 8 weeks.

Normally, creatine loading is worthless, but I've had success loading creatine on weekends during a cut. (for those who know the CKD, they know that trying to take creatine during the week is worthless).

May God have mercy on my soul.

Shao-LiN
01-26-2004, 02:12 AM
A lot of people here aren't fans of CKD? Never noticed that.

Isaac Wilkins
01-26-2004, 06:24 AM
I really liked being on a CKD, I felt better.

Yeah, load creatine during your carb up, and use some ALA or r-ALA. You'll find the carb-ups to be much more beneficial.

IronDaddy
01-26-2004, 08:36 AM
Personally I love the CKD. It's just more disciplined and rigid in what to do which forces me to have more discipline in areas of my cut.

BTW You shouldn't have to take off more then two weeks.

shootermcgavin7
01-26-2004, 10:28 AM
I really liked being on a CKD, I felt better.

Yeah, load creatine during your carb up, and use some ALA or r-ALA. You'll find the carb-ups to be much more beneficial.



I had heard about some people having good results using Alpha-Lipolic Acid (spl?) on their carb ups. In the past I had just used Vanadyl Sulfate, what kind of dosage were you using with ALA?

JeffWillConquer
01-26-2004, 07:17 PM
195 and 8% will be sexay.

Feed Eric
01-26-2004, 10:04 PM
I love CKD, its the only way I ever cut now...well that and a few other tricks.

I'm dropping almost a pound a day....every day!
-Eric

harryhoudini66
01-26-2004, 11:08 PM
I love CKD. I do not recall seeing any negative posts about it here.

shootermcgavin7
01-27-2004, 05:04 AM
I love CKD. I do not recall seeing any negative posts about it here.


I'm sure I could have used a better choice of words, it just seems like most journals I'd read prefer the "balanced" diet. And as fast as my metabolism is, to get enough protein while cutting on a balanced diet, it may as well be as low-carb as CKD is.

IronDaddy
01-27-2004, 08:40 AM
I love CKD, its the only way I ever cut now...well that and a few other tricks.

I'm dropping almost a pound a day....every day!
-Eric
Are you waaay overweight? That's a lot to lose. You can drop that during depletion phase but it's it's not really losing weight you should gain most of back on your carb load.

Feed Eric
01-27-2004, 09:39 AM
I was around 24% bf....I think that's waay overweight. I'm still getting stronger every workout, so I must be doing something right.
-Eric

Holto
01-27-2004, 10:04 AM
mathmatically speaking it's impossible to lose a lb of fat/day

it would require an energy debt of 3500 cals every day

defcon
01-27-2004, 10:52 AM
which is easily mathamatically possible..

BRM = 3000
food intake = 1000
workout + cardio = 1500
x = calorie deficit

x = 3000 - 1000 + 1500
x = 3500
congrats.. you just mathamatically lost a lb a day :)

shootermcgavin7
01-27-2004, 12:19 PM
which is easily mathamatically possible..

BRM = 3000
food intake = 1000
workout + cardio = 1500
x = calorie deficit

x = 3000 - 1000 + 1500
x = 3500
congrats.. you just mathamatically lost a lb a day :)



If you're only eating 1000 calories/day, I highly doubt that 1lb you're losing is mostly fat.

DoUgL@S
01-27-2004, 01:40 PM
He said it was "mathematically" possible, not that it was feasable or medically safe.

defcon
01-27-2004, 01:47 PM
If you're only eating 1000 calories/day, I highly doubt that 1lb you're losing is mostly fat.

He wanted math, i never said it was a good idea in real life.. but its possible. :bash:

( NOTE TO MODS: I think we need the :slap: icon that other boards have.. you know the one im talking about )

Big & Tall
01-27-2004, 04:23 PM
I, too am a fan of the CKD, save that after a while, it started to mess up my digestive system. I wouldn't worry about this too much, though, as my intestines are prone to malfunction. Just make sure to eat low-carb, fibrous veggies and/or take a fiber supplement and you should be ace. I also agree with what IronDaddy said; since CKD is really an all or nothing sort of thing (regarding carbs) it helped me to be more disciplined.

For what it is worth, I skipped the creatine entirely last time I did a CKD. I'm not sure what sort of levels one maintains when taking a cyclic rather than daily dose, but it doesn't really seem like it would be that important while cutting.

Borris: what exactly is the benefit of ALA?

Feed Eric
01-27-2004, 04:59 PM
I only say what the scale says.

I've lost almost 20 pounds in three weeks, and its dropping like mad now more than ever. My strength is going up, my muscles keep looking full. My runs are going great.

I condition around 3-4 hours daily...I know I'm burning more than 3500 kcals daily on top of what I eat.

Believe it or not....

-Eric

Holto
01-28-2004, 09:58 AM
defcon your math makes sense for one day

I don't think anyone could keep that up for more than a few days

and I also doubt severely your burning 1500 in a workout

Holto
01-28-2004, 10:01 AM
Borris: what exactly is the benefit of ALA?

translocation of glucose receptors (ie :GLUT4)

this means the muscle cell is more receptive to glucose and ideally your muscle will take up the glucose and not fat

on edit:

it takes 1500mg to 3000mg to get this effect

defcon
01-28-2004, 10:09 AM
defcon your math makes sense for one day

I don't think anyone could keep that up for more than a few days

and I also doubt severely your burning 1500 in a workout

I know.. sumone said said it wasn't possible by math. i proved them wrong. and yes.. you could do this for any number of days.. if you were constantly walking for 23 hours and lifting weights for that other hour, then you would burn way more.. i know none of it makes sense in real world.. but he asked for math! lets not bring up the topic again.. gesh.. it was meant as a joke in the first place :| :whip:

AllUp
01-28-2004, 10:15 AM
I've done it.. The losses were insane, but part of it was muscle/Waterweight.( Which is OK, as my goal was to basically start from scratch and begin body recomposition to a Overly muscular me. :o. ) Easily achievable when over 25%BF on a serious calorie cut.

Robotnik
02-01-2004, 09:24 AM
I am a fan of the CKD too.

fitnessmiss
02-02-2004, 05:25 PM
hi everyone, quick question, is CKD a good idea for women to cut with? I am 5'2 and 115 pds. I am wondering what you all think about cutting with a CKD diet for a fitness/figure competion in 15 weeks.... thanks

IronDaddy
02-03-2004, 10:18 AM
Yes...

Severed Ties
02-03-2004, 12:31 PM
Any diet works if you stick to it, I don't care for CKD but if it leads to the results you want why not use it?

ST

the doc
02-03-2004, 02:38 PM
exactly as st said. You just have to find an eating regimen you can stick with, regardless of its composition