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harryhoudini66
02-12-2004, 10:57 PM
So I got some cheap straps from the gym to use on my deadlift. I put them on and was able to break my prior record by 25 pounds. With the use of straps I deadlifted 325. Now I am wondering if I positioned them correctly. I could not find much info on the net. I did find a video, but the positioning of the strap is diffrent then what I have read on other sites.

What is the correct position?

Doe the tail go between your thumb and index or does it go towards your pinky?

MixmasterNash
02-12-2004, 11:55 PM
Straps really shouldn't make much difference on a 1RM lift -- if you can't grip a XXX lb weight for 5 seconds, you probably can't deadlift it. Vice versa, I bet you could probably hold onto a 350lb weight for 5 seconds, so it's probably a form and/or psychology issue.

harryhoudini66
02-13-2004, 12:44 AM
And how does that contribute to my post?


I rather knew someone might turn this to a strap against no strap topic. I happen to have very small girl hands. My grip is as strong as it can be for my sissy hands. For SOME reason my right hand grip is very good though. Hmmmm I wonder why? I need the straps dammit! Now answer my question before I go in to an uncontrollable farting attack.


Them pics are coming Patty. You just wait and see.

biggimp
02-13-2004, 12:49 AM
it should point out from between your pinky and thumb. then goes under the bar and wraps around. after you do that twist it up some to get it nice and tight.

hope that helps.

Adam
02-13-2004, 08:36 AM
I agree with MNM, straps shouldn't make much of a difference on a 1rm
Do you use chalk?

harryhoudini66
02-13-2004, 09:09 AM
Nope, I do not use chalk. It may be mental but I think they helped me. the other times I tried heavy weight (it is heavy for me) I lost my grip.

Anthony
02-13-2004, 09:49 AM
Use chalk and start doing static holds, it will help your grip a lot.

Adam
02-13-2004, 11:37 AM
Chalk can help the grip tremendosly, before i could static hold like 400 for 10sec but with chalk im at 700 for almost 10seconds

MixmasterNash
02-13-2004, 01:07 PM
Use chalk, and then you won't nee to know that straps should go out towards your pinky (if you've got simple pass through rather than sewn straps).

Jawz928
02-13-2004, 01:31 PM
I happen to have very small girl hands. My grip is as strong as it can be for my sissy hands.
I know exactly how you feel man, I too have very small hands and I know how much it sucks. I got straps about a month ago and use them for shrugs and can definitely do more weight.

biggimp
02-13-2004, 02:59 PM
Use chalk, and then you won't nee to know that straps should go out towards your pinky (if you've got simple pass through rather than sewn straps).

wow i guess we use two different kind of pull through straps... mine go the other way, it says right on the instructions.

Chris Rodgers
02-13-2004, 03:34 PM
Do you use a mixed grip(over/under)??

biggimp
02-13-2004, 03:48 PM
no. just over. and the strap comes out under my palm between my index finger and thumb point away. and then i wrap it under the bar and around.

JuniorMint6669
02-13-2004, 05:30 PM
Index and thumb.

But definatly look into getting chalk or an ecoball (chalk substitute). I havent needed straps since I got one, and I have pretty small hands too.

Max-Mex
02-13-2004, 07:27 PM
So I got some cheap straps from the gym to use on my deadlift. I put them on and was able to break my prior record by 25 pounds. With the use of straps I deadlifted 325. Now I am wondering if I positioned them correctly. I could not find much info on the net. I did find a video, but the positioning of the strap is diffrent then what I have read on other sites.

What is the correct position?

Doe the tail go between your thumb and index or does it go towards your pinky?

I use Versagrips so it's easier than standard straps. However, don't use them for deads.

harryhoudini66
02-13-2004, 07:43 PM
Thanks guys. I will give chalk a try. I already feel like an outcast at my gym though since nobody else does deadlifts, squats, uses straps and now I am adding chalk to the routine.

drew
02-13-2004, 07:54 PM
Definitely use chalk, people will look at you differently, but it will be a good kind of different. When aimless people start asking you questions though, you might want to get a set of headphones.

Small hands here too. With chalk I have no problem deadlifting 375 for reps.

entrrt
02-13-2004, 08:13 PM
is the eco ball basically a clear type of chalk and not the messy white stuff?

JuniorMint6669
02-13-2004, 10:57 PM
yes. i just rub the ecoball between my hands for a few seconds before i lift. works great and cant be seen by anyone, doesnt rub off on the weights.

MixmasterNash
02-13-2004, 11:37 PM
And only 3 or 4 bucks at REI!

rookiebldr
02-14-2004, 01:19 PM
Harry, chalk definitely helped me on my deads as well. The added benefit is that you don't have to waste anytime wrapping the straps. Not feeling that bar slip at all while you are lifting it helped my mental focus to nail the sucker. Unfortunately my gym disallows it's use. I'll have to look into that ecoball or just ignore the rules. :evillaugh

Saint Patrick
02-14-2004, 03:31 PM
Another vote for chalk. It helped me nail my last 2 PR's.

harryhoudini66
02-14-2004, 04:18 PM
Thanks guys. On a side note, I was using bad stance on my straight leg dead lift. Although I did feel the hit on my hams, I had a wider then normal stance. I had not realized this until a guy that was about 240 told me about it. Funny thing is that he did dead lift after I was done, but I have never seen anyone else do them at the gym. I have seen this guys many many times before but never saw him workout legs. I guess his leg days were on my day off. I cannot tell the condition of his legs since he always wears sweats, but I am sure he cannot be a curl jockey. I mean if he were, he would be the most mal-proportioned one ever. His upper body is a kin to Ronnie Coleman give or takes 10-15 pounds.

Optimum08
02-14-2004, 07:14 PM
hmm i dunno bout straps on deads but they do help me significantly for shrugs...as for deads i use the staggered grip (over/under) and i do not ever feel as though i am gonna drop it, so as i am not very familiar wit chalk or ecoball that is the best advice i can give u...hope this helps

entrrt
02-14-2004, 08:51 PM
gonna give this eco ball thingy a shot....just ordered one today. i hope it helps as much as everyone says it does. :)

WaterWalker
02-15-2004, 10:15 PM
Where can I order/find one?

MixmasterNash
02-15-2004, 10:58 PM
Magic in a bag!
http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=265293&parent_category_rn=40000054

harryhoudini66
02-17-2004, 08:22 PM
Okay, so I see many of you say straps dont help much with 1rm. How about with multiple reps? Lets say 10 and up?

JuniorMint6669
02-17-2004, 09:21 PM
I think it does matter with 1rm and also with reps. It all depends on how strong your grip is. Im sure there are some powerlifters who would love to use straps at a meet.

MixmasterNash
02-17-2004, 11:12 PM
Of course straps will help you if your grip strength is the limiting factor in any lift.

A key factor in higher rep sets is sweat -- my palms sweat something fierce -- so even chalk might not be enough to prevent your grip from slipping after a few reps. But on a 1RM with chalk you shouldn't have any slippage since you're only gripping the bar for a very short time.

So, why in the world would you want to do 10+ reps in the deadlift, ever? I did a 10 rep set for fun two weeks ago. Ouch.

drew
02-18-2004, 08:46 AM
Mix, I sweat a lot too, I just load the chalk up good, put some extra on the bar and make sure I get it between my fingers and on my wrists.

MixmasterNash
02-18-2004, 10:56 AM
Ah, but this is the climber's quandry: No chalk and your hand slips on the sweat. Too much chalk and you slip on the chalk.

(This is why you see climbers carrying toothbrushes so they can scrub gunk and chalk off of holds.)

harryhoudini66
02-18-2004, 11:02 AM
Okay, I forgot to mention a very important factor that prevents me from having a vise like grip. When I was younger, I sliced the tendons on my hand. After that, my grip and punch power decreased because of pain I feel. The tendons that were cut were the second and third finger. I cut them when I punched a crystal vase out of someone's hand (do not ask, stupid kid stuff).

Prior to that, I would play “knuckles” with guys and never would lose. I figured if it is hurting me, then it is also hurting them. So I just thought it was a matter of who would withstand more pain. This would always ensure I would win. Well after my little mishap, one of my knuckles is slightly larger and I cannot even take two hits.

drew
02-18-2004, 01:26 PM
Well, if it's a definite physical limitation, then stick with the straps.

HORNEDFROGS07
02-18-2004, 10:39 PM
Hate to go back to the strap vs. chalk vs. nothing issue, but I can pull 480-500 1RM with straps, maybe 375 1RM with chalk, and barely 315 with nothing. Straps help me one hell of a lot.

drew
02-19-2004, 06:23 AM
Wow Frogs, that's a big gap. Before I got hurt I was pulling 5 reps of 375 with chalk only with no grip failure. I generally strap in for 1RM attempts and got 425 nearly locked out (I don't count it because I couldn't lock it out). But I always rep without straps.

Relentless
02-19-2004, 07:08 AM
So, why in the world would you want to do 10+ reps in the deadlift, ever? I did a 10 rep set for fun two weeks ago. Ouch.

I'm doing 10 reps as a warmup set on my way to heavier lifts... nothing wrong with that IMHO.

MixmasterNash
02-19-2004, 08:44 AM
Well, for warmups it should be easy to grip, right? :D

Like I said, I do 10 rep sets sometimes. I just wonder why/when other people do them.